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When was the last time a team got pumped in a GF and came back the following year to win it all? If memory serves very few even manage to make the GF again or even contend.

North came back from a 35 point loss to win the following year 1998-1999. Not really a pumping given it was only 35 and it was 30 scoring shots a piece in 98.

Geelong lost by 80 in 1994 and came back to lose in 1995 by 61.

West Coast lost 1991 by 53 and won 1992.

1985 Hawthorn lost by 78 and won the following year.

So it can happen, but if we take 50+ to be a pumping, in the last 50 years the pumpee has made the following grand final six times (12%) and won four times (8%).

There has been 14 pumpers, with pumpers making nine following grand finals (64%) but only won three. So history says a pumper has been relatively unlikely to win the following grand final. In fact, a pumpee has won four, and a pumper three, so maybe the The Western are onto something.

Anyway, most of the big turnarounds have been from 20+ years ago, in recent times the pumper has been relatively successful and the pumpee not.
 

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When was the last time a team got pumped in a GF and came back the following year to win it all? If memory serves very few even manage to make the GF again or even contend.
Not quite the same but Geelong were pantsed in the '10 prelim and won it the next year without (arguably) their best player, noting that list was still stacked with guns across the field.
Geelong were also flogged in consecutive years, in 94 and 95 GFs.
 

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Relatively few clubs come back from losing a GF by any margin to winning it all, let alone winning it the year after getting humiliated.
 

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This century it’s just:
  • WCE 2005 > 2006
  • Geelong 2008 > 2009
  • Hawthorn 2012 > 2013
  • WCE 2015 > 2018
Only WCE 2015 of those was beaten badly, and that took three years and a Collingwood choke
 

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When Melbourne got spanked by 60 in the 2000 GF I remember thinking “Geez, we are miles off it.”.

Cleary I should’ve been thinking “Unparalleled success is imminent!!!!” if the The Western supporters are any guide.
Also not to mention that our list and cosch were clearly objectively preferable to Essendon’s
 

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Almost every Carlton post by Carlton nuffies on their breakout 2022 thread on the main board

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Every year it is the same story. I reckon a Carlton supporting mate of mine has claimed Carlton have the best young list in the AFL for the last 15 years now.

I figure they are just going off the law of averages at this point, no point stopping now they are too far in, it will come true eventually if you keep saying it.
 

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I figure they are just going off the law of averages at this point, no point stopping now they are too far in, it will come true eventually if you keep saying it.
Richmond, and now us, have gone from talented underachievers to premiers very suddenly. I suppose that offers some hope to them.
 

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There’s a poster on The Western board giving us kudos for our celebration day and the fact we won the flag. Didn’t get a great reception to that post. One guy had a go at the players for wearing their medals. Fancy wearing your medals to the celebration where they were re-presented to players.
The mind boggles at some of these posters lol. Also apparently the players are drinking their own bath water. Stupid comment really. I mean some of the players were training within a fortnight. Unlike mullet boy who went very hard.
 
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The Carlton supporters on the MB now genuinely believe that Cerra rejected us in favour of them.

But they also believe that Cripps' loss of form can be attributed to "well Teague played him injured, Voss will get him back where he needs to be" as if their coach isn't the guy who failed at his first attempt and has now been midfield coach of one of the most talented but flaky midfields in the league for the past 7-8 years.
 

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When I compare Carlton and Essendon, I believe we are the more talented side, but Carlton are the more balanced side. Melbourne and Richmond have proven that balance beats talent and GWS have proven that talent alone won't get you there. Hopefully we understand that when we go to the draft on Wednesday/Thursday.
This guy. Main board - Essendon supporter. I’m sorry guys. Looks like Track, Clarry, Gawn, Lever, May, Koz, Jackson are just journeymen. Ah how I long to be Essendon
 

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I kind of get what they're saying, but it's worded weirdly. I think a balance of talent across the ground is needed, not just 6 gun mids/HFFs (see Dogs, GWS, etc).
 

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Is that because Jason Taylor is bad at recruiting KPFs, or because we’re bad at developing them?
I reckon it's because 1) KPF's aren't really that important, otherwise Carlton would win games occasionally and 2) rather than waste top draft picks on a KPF who may end up sh*t like Boyd or McCartin you can just buy a Benny Brown who is good enough.
 

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I kind of get what they're saying, but it's worded weirdly. I think a balance of talent across the ground is needed, not just 6 gun mids/HFFs (see Dogs, GWS, etc).
What they also can’t see is that Petracca and Oliver are a better combo than any two other players in the comp. Which makes sense, given they’re at worst two of the tree best players in the competition. Not to mention that their captain is still at his best in the top 5 players in the competition, and as demonstrated in the GF, his still raw understudy is blessed with almost unprecedented ability which allows that Petracca/Oliver duo to go to another level entirely.

It doesn’t matter how many good midfielders other sides have. Unless their best mids improve they will never be able to do what Petracca and Oliver supported by Gawn/Jackson do. You can only have so many good players in a side, and two or three superstars can easily combine to make other factors irrelevant. Then obviously there is the reality they want to deny that Viney, Harmes, Sparrow, etc are all very good footballers and we have stars all over the ground. But firstly, opposition fans (especially Bulldogs fans) don’t seem to grasp how good Petracca and Oliver are. Perhaps because they cruised through most of 2021.
 

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I reckon it's because 1) KPF's aren't really that important, otherwise Carlton would win games occasionally and 2) rather than waste top draft picks on a KPF who may end up sh*t like Boyd or McCartin you can just buy a Benny Brown who is good enough.
It was tongue in cheek from me, but I agree with both of these points.
 

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