Conspiracy Theory The Manson murders were faked

[Shane Heard]

Rare interview with Charles Manson’s son..

 

[Exe Gesis]

Poor bastard. But to him for having gotten thru it all and turned out alright.

 

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[ThunkaHunka]

Sharon Tate was purportedly murdered while in residence at 10050 Cielo Drive, which is the former home of Terry Melcher, The Beach Boys record producer.

Melcher is the son of actress Doris Day. Another famous movie actress. (Sharon Tate starred with Tony Curtis in Don't Make Waves, and Tony Curtis was a good friend of Doris Day, Terry Melcher's mother.

Doris Day starred in a 1962 film with Cary Grant (That Touch of Mink) , and Cary Grant occupied 10050 Cielo Drive right before his costar Doris Day's son Terry Melcher moved in there)



See the details here:




This is weird:

Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski rented Cielo Drive after Cary Grant once rented it, and also rented a beachfront house in Santa Monica previously rented by Cary Grant.

Hollywood party palace makes a splash along Santa Monica beach

Often associated with its ownership by actor Cary Grant and use as a beach party house, this Santa Monica home’s story starts with silent screen star Norma Taldmadge, who had the place built in 1930.

www.latimes.com

So this obviously goes full circle.

Sharon Tate knows Tony Curtis. Tony Curtis knows Doris Day. Doris Day knows Cary Grant. Terry Melcher moves
into 10050 Drive right after his mother's friend Cary Grant moves out. Sharon Tate moves into 10050 Cielo Drive
right after Terry Melcher moves out.

And Sharon Tate presumably knows Melcher's mother Doris Day through their mutual contacts Tony Curtis/Cary Grant.

Sharon Tate and Polanski surely know Cary Grant, having rented two of Cary Grant's former rental residences. (10050 Cielo
Drive AND the beach front house in Santa Monica at 1038 Palisades Beach Rd.)

So Tate presumably may have known Terry Melcher. Because Tate most probably knew Melcher's mother Doris Day.

According to this link , Fiona Lewis dated Carry Grant and also acted alongside Sharon Tate in Roman Polanski's film
'The Fearless Vampire Killers'.

Daring All

PERSONAL HISTORY by Fiona Lewis about about her career as a B-movie actress. Fiona Lewis, a British upper-class girl, arrived in Los Angeles, from London,…

www.newyorker.com

So Polanski/Tate and Cary Grant knew Fiona Lewis.
So presumably Polanski and Tate knew Cary Grant and were familiar with those residences through their mutual association
with Fiona Lewis.

Surmiseable then is that Tate and Polanski knew Doris Day and her son Terry Melcher, as they all knew Cary Grant, and they
all at one point lived in the former residences of Cary Grant.

So Sharon Tate likely knows Terry Melcher. Terry Melcher is a close friend of Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys.


The Beach Boys built a record studio in Santa Monica some years later (1974). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Studios

So presumably The Beach Boys may have been around Santa Monica at times during the 1960s also.

Sharon Tate knew Jim Morrison, and both of them had their hair styled by Jay Sebring. And Jim Morrison knew Terry Melcher
So its looking obvious that Tate knew Terry Melcher.
and Terry Melcher knew Manson.

All of which makes the following much more plausible than ever:

Wayback Machine

 

[Shane Heard]

Sharon Tate’s mother ..

 

[ThunkaHunka]

The whole hippie scene, like the hiphop scene after it, was a manufactured psy-op.

Queen Elizabeth II today celebrated her 90th birthday. Son Charles,...

Queen Elizabeth II today celebrated her 90th birthday. Son Charles, Prince of Wales made a short speech ahead of a beacon lighting ceremony at Windsor Castle. He led a 'Hip Hip Hooray' in honour of...

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Terry Melcher was producer for The Byrds too. The Byrds were another Laurel Canyon hippie/Operation Chaos band. All of them with
close connections to the Wrecking Crew.
All of them part of the silly revolving door of hippie bands of the same time
sharing band members and sharing songs. To create the grand illusion of plenty from scarcity.

So we got The Byrds and Crosby, Stills and Nash, and lol, Crosby , Stills, Nash and Young and Buffalo Springfield and all sorts of others flitting back
and forth from one band to another to another collaboration, and many of their 'solo' manifestations of same thing, essentially.
And the bands War and America and the Animals , same thing.

And in with them is Neil Young, who knew Manson. Helping out with theme songs for Manson (Down by the River) and for the Kent State hoax (Four dead in Ohio)
Neil Young was in London when the band 'America' recorded 'Horse with No Name' in London. Everyone closeby in the industry was accusing
America of secretly using a Neil Young song as their own. And the research revealed that 'Horse with No Name' was recorded in London
England right at the same time that Neil Young was staying in London just blocks from the studio where America recorded it.
Further, 'Horse with no Name' was not even on the original British release of the America debut album. Horse With No Name did not appear on that album until that same album was re-released in the United States. Suddenly 'Horse with no Name' was on it.

So its looking like 'America' was another psy-op band.

https://centerforaninformedamerica....nd-the-birth-of-the-hippie-generation-part-i/

Let’s talk instead about three other Laurel Canyon vocalists who will rise to dizzying heights of fame and fortune: Gerry Beckley, Dan Peek and Dewey Bunnell. Individually, these three names are probably unknown to virtually all readers; but collectively, as the band America, the three will score huge hits in the early ‘70s with such songs as “Ventura Highway,” “A Horse With No Name,” and the Wizard of Oz-themed “The Tin Man.” I guess I probably don’t need to add here that all three of these lads were products of the military/intelligence community. Beckley’s dad was the commander of the now-defunct West Ruislip USAF base near London, England, a facility deeply immersed in intelligence operations. Bunnell’s and Peek’s fathers were both career Air Force officers serving under Beckley’s dad at West Ruislip, which is where the three boys first met.

 

[Shane Heard]

The whole hippie scene, like the hiphop scene after it, was a manufactured psy-op.

Queen Elizabeth II today celebrated her 90th birthday. Son Charles,...

Queen Elizabeth II today celebrated her 90th birthday. Son Charles, Prince of Wales made a short speech ahead of a beacon lighting ceremony at Windsor Castle. He led a 'Hip Hip Hooray' in honour of...

www.gettyimages.in

Terry Melcher was producer for The Byrds too. The Byrds were another Laurel Canyon hippie/Operation Chaos band. All of them with
close connections to the Wrecking Crew.
All of them part of the silly revolving door of hippie bands of the same time
sharing band members and sharing songs. To create the grand illusion of plenty from scarcity.

So we got The Byrds and Crosby, Stills and Nash, and lol, Crosby , Stills, Nash and Young and Buffalo Springfield and all sorts of others flitting back
and forth from one band to another to another collaboration, and many of their 'solo' manifestations of same thing, essentially.
And the bands War and America and the Animals , same thing.

And in with them is Neil Young, who knew Manson. Helping out with theme songs for Manson (Down by the River) and for the Kent State hoax (Four dead in Ohio)
Neil Young was in London when the band 'America' recorded 'Horse with No Name' in London. Everyone closeby in the industry was accusing
America of secretly using a Neil Young song as their own. And the research revealed that 'Horse with No Name' was recorded in London
England right at the same time that Neil Young was staying in London just blocks from the studio where America recorded it.
Further, 'Horse with no Name' was not even on the original British release of the America debut album. Horse With No Name did not appear on that album until that same album was re-released in the United States. Suddenly 'Horse with no Name' was on it.

So its looking like 'America' was another psy-op band.

Like many conspiracy theories this one has its pros and cons.

I want to believe in this one but there’s just not that solid concrete evidence that puts me over the edge.
No smoking gun.

Any thoughts on Tarantino’s film?

Interesting he focused on the Tate character so much when she really has no important role in the film itself.

Something tells me there’s hidden messages embedded.

I walked out of it an hour into it because I was so bored...

 

[ThunkaHunka]

the Mamas and the Papas were straight out of The Pentagon in Alexandria, just like their brethren band The Doors.

So the following information is pertinent to who was behind The Manson thing:


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Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation: Part XIX | The Center for an Informed America

A few further bits of Mansonalia: Author Maury Terry has written (in Ultimate Evil) that the Manson Family’s iconic bus was seen parked at the home of John and Michelle Phillips (The Mamas and the Papas) in the fall of 1968. Reports also hold that Manson attended a New Year’s Eve party at the couple’s home on December 31, 1968, just months before the murders. So close were the ties between the Mamas and the Papas and the Manson clan that both John Phillips and Mama Cass (aka Cass Elliott) were slated to appear as witnesses for the defense at the Family’s trial, though not surprisingly, neither was ever called.

So its looking as though Cass Elliott and John Phillips may have been the designated liason between their military-intel
parents at The Pentagon and the Manson team of actors.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

Someone commented in this thread (and later deleted their comment, btw) that the 1973 film 'Manson'
by (purportedly) documentarian Robert Hendrickson seemed too convincing to have been part of a hoax.
They said that the interviews of the cult members had seemed too genuine, that the 'acting' would have
had to have been too good.

hmmm, on surface, maybe..

But lets add some context to this.
Note that above I refer to the Hendrikson documentary as a 'film'. Not a documentary.
The reason that I referred to it as having been a film, is because in all likelihood , it was more of a movie/film
than it ever was an authentic documentary.

Anyone familiar with how movies are shot will know that, in Hollywood, a 'good actor' is just one 'bad director' away from a
disastrous, career-ending performance/film role.

The director is the one who translates the script to film, using the actors like a paint brush on a canvas.
The director will 'take, retake' , 'take, retake' every single part of the script until the final product is perfect.
The actors need only read their lines, and do as directed , until they get it right.
So the actors require some skill, but in the hands of a good director...almost anyone can be made to look good.
Look authentic.

The editing process adds yet another layer of refinement.



So in the case of the 1973 film 'Manson'.

Lets bear in mind too that this Hendrickson film was shot on a movie set.

It was filmed at Spahn Movie Ranch. And Spahn Movie Ranch was , at that very time,
still an active film location. In other words, while the Manson Family were staying there,
Hollywood films were still being filmed there.
They were said to have been working as ranch-hands in exchange for lodgings there.
Atkins was said to have cared for the trained horses there which were regularly used
to film movie scenes in Country Western-themed movies and TV series.

And look who was buzzing around the periphery of the Manson acting team. Expert director
Roman Polanski. Who was done filming 'Rosemary's Baby' at the time that Hendrickson purportedly shot the 'candid impromptu interviews' of the Manson members at Spahn Ranch.

In fact Polanski was living in Beverley Hills, a 30 minute drive away from Spahn Ranch

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/100...df073c34e5e!2m2!1d-118.616562!2d34.271606!3e0

So in all likelihood, Polanski actually directed the 'convincing performances' of Susan Atkins et al, featured in the 1973 movie theater
release 'Manson'. Purportedly filmed by Hendrickson at Spahn Movie Ranch.

And isn't that exactly what a movie ranch does?
Actors live in houses on the ranch and are directed and filmed according to script.
Right.
And so....you get the picture. The team of actors assigned the Manson hoax were sent to
an actual movie production 'location' to 'live on location' there, and to be rehearsed and directed
and produced in their roles.

Did Hendrickson even film it? Or did Roman Polanski do that too?

 

[ThunkaHunka]

Book link reveals that Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl was a cross-dressing adolescent whose father had close ties to the Tafts of the Skull n' Bones society , covered the fake Kent State shootings for the Scripps Howard News Agency (Scripps Howard newspaper chain)
and wrote speeches for Nixon and The Republican National Convention. (evokes Bohemian Grove and Conspiracy of Silence's Larry King)


https://books.google.ca/books?id=gbn...writer&f=false


Also reveals that Dave GRohls father knew Allen Ginsberg and was a huge fan of gay beat writers Jack Kerouac, Allan Ginsberg, and William Burroughs:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=gbn...nsberg&f=false

Why do I get the feeling that Dave Grohl had been to Bohemian Grove as a kid?
Betcha James Grohl was a member of the National Press Club and took Dave there

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[ThunkaHunka]

Here is more information connecting Charles Manson hoax/Spahn Ranch/Bohemian Grove

Hank Harrison is the father of Courtney Love, the wife of purportedly dead Kurt Cobain.
Hank Harrison was a founder and manager of The Grateful Dead, the band which was around all the purportedly
dead rockers of the 1960s.

Sandra Good was one of the Manson Family cult members, and Sandra Good's sister, Virginia Good,
was Hank Harrison's girlfriend:


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Good Sandra Good From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sandra Collins Good (born February 20, 1944) is a long-time member of the Manson Family and a close friend of Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme. Good's Manson Family nickname is "Blue," given to her by Charles Manson because of her blue eyes. Despite her association with Manson and his followers, she did not take part in the 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders because she was in jail at the time for using stolen credit cards. However, Good says she respects those who committed the murders and demonstrated her support for Manson during his trial by shaving her head and carving an X on her forehead.

Here's the goods on Manson family member Sandra Good's sister, Virginia Good.

Virginia Good was Hank Harrison's girlfriend and Merry Pranksters cohort:


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http://www.mansonblog.com/2013/12/ginny-good-missing-link.html Virginia Good had an aunt in Laguna Beach that she would visit with some frequency. Laguna Beach is the home of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love Virginia and Sandra Good's father, George Good lived in Boulder Creek . Boulder Creek is fairly close to where the Chateau Liberte once stood. It was a known Brotherhood of Eternal Love, Gypsy Jokers motorcycle gang and Hell's Angels hangout where the Grateful Dead, The Doobie Brothers, Hot Tuna, Quicksilver, et al would perform. Virginia Good was on a first name basis with the Grateful Dead, and she got her acid from a guy who got it directly from Owsley, the Grateful Dead chemist known to history as "Bear." Virginia Goods acid connection to Owsley goes back to 1964, because Viriginia introduced LSD to her friend Gerard Jones in early 1965 at La Honda (she had already tried it at this point). La Honda is near Stanford University, and was the home of Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters. Gerard Jones claims that Virginia Good hung around with the Merry Pranksters, too. The timeline in which Virginia lived in San Francisco spanned from at least 1963 through her college graduation in 1968. She had roommates during this time who were studying chemistry at SFSU and/or UCSF, which is walking distance from Haight Ashbury. Virgina Good had emotional problems every Christmas, which always either landed her in jail or in a mental hospital. like the lockup at UCSF, or Scripps down south in La Jolla. It took Virginia Good at least six years to finish her bachelor's degree at San Francisco State University. Her troubles were so extreme that she may not have made it through college at all, had it not been for a substantial amount of help from her father George Good's (unnamed) lawyer. Virginia Good had at one point a boyfriend named Hank Harrison, who was the original manager of The Grateful Dead when they were still called The Warlocks (he is also Courtney Love's father). Hank Harrison formed a group called "LSD rescue" which he claims later became the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic. Bob Ackerley of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love claims that they helped found the Free Clinic, as do the Folgers. The Mansons were regular fixtures at the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic. They frequently treated there for sexually transmitted diseases, and were written about by Dr. David E. Smith regarding their "common marriage." The free clinic, unlike most other reputable caregivers of the day, had no issues with their clientele being on crazy amounts of drugs. It was accepted and even expected. Today's Rock Med, which is solely dedicated to caring for people who freak out at bay area rock shows, is today's outgrowth of the free clinic.​

The Grateful Dead were a biker band whose HQ were directly across from the Hells Angels HQ in San Francisco. Manson too was a biker:

Charles Manson > Quotes > Quotable Quote

“I don't wanna spend my time going to work, I got a motorcycle and a sleeping bag and ten or fifteen girls. What the hell I wanna go off and go to work for? Work for what? Money? I got all the money in the world. I'm the king, man. I run the underworld, guy. I decide who does what and where they do it at. What am I gonna run around like some teeny bopper somewhere for someone elses money? I make the money man, I roll the nickels. The game is mine. I deal the cards”

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In the following autobiographical piece by Hank Harrison, he discloses that he regularly spends time in Hearst land/Hearst haunts Woodside and Los Altos Hills: http://view.samurajdata.se/rsc/74b4f9d1/ Los Altos Building, William Randolph Hearst Suite - Walkthrough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZWwbIWyM84 Found this on Abigail Folger's FAMILY family : Miss Folger, accustomed to high society living, attended Santa Catalina School for women near Carmel, Calif., and was graduated from Radcliffe. Her father, Peter Folger of Woodside, Calif., is president of the Folger Coffee Co., a subsidiary of Procter & Gamble. Proprietors of Proctor & Gamble were notable for satanic company logo: Abigail Folger and Patty Hearst both attended Santa Catalina School, a private Catholic all-girls boarding school in Monterey.

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Abigail Folger went to High School in Monterey, the city which at that time was nothing but a military base and support community.
She attended with fellow 'Family'/Bohemian grove cult member Patty Hearst, the granddaughter of a cofounder of the Bohemian Club,
William Randolph Hearst.
Presumably she attended that school a few short years before the 1967 Monterey Pop Festival was staged there. She was born in 1943.
So that means she was living in Monterey about 1960-1963, just four years before the Monterey Pop Festival was staged there.
This indicates the Hearst family and Bohemian Club/military intel likely organized the Monterey Pop Festival and staged it on the Monterey Fair Grounds which doubled as the exercise grounds of Presidio Monterey/Fort Ord
Her school was right on the base and very close to the Naval Postgraduate School where Francis Zappa, hippie rocker Frank Zappa's father,
designed bulletproof armor plating for USAF aircraft:




In all likelihood Abigail Folger's father Major Peter Folger was working with Francis Zappa at Presidio Monterey in 1963, setting the stage for the
Monterey Pop Festival there four years later. Frank Zappa's place in Laurel Canyon was known as a home base for many of the hippie rockers
to stay at.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

It looks like Colonel Paul Tate and Major Peter Folger and Colonel Michael Aquino planned and staged the whole thing. They did not murder their own daughters. Tate and Folger were not murdered. Sharon Tate was used because her high media profile would give their psy-op the publicity that they needed and wanted to crack down aggressively on 'radical subversives'. Exactly like a false flag. You pretend the WTC was attacked by Iraq , you pretend that Sharon Tate was tortured and murdered by a group of anti-draft hippies. Susan Atkins knew Michael Aquino and Anton LavEy. She was a go-go dancer stripper in one of LaVeys shows. The coroner in the Tate murders was known as the 'coroner to the stars' because he was the one selected to do the reports on some of the most controversial deaths in history,including those of Tate and Robert F. Kennedy. He was stripped of his coroner's license and then mysteriously reinstated (against the wishes of all involved) at one point. NOGUCHI OPENS EFFORT TO REGAIN LOS ANGELES CORONER'S POST A curious drama with occasional gruesome overtones began in the Los Angeles County Hall of Administration last week when Dr. Thomas Noguchi, often called the ''coroner to the stars,'' opened an effort to get his job back. In the first week of what is expected to be almost three months of... web.archive.org HEre's a partial list of the cases he handled " It was in this role that Noguchi came to public attention for a series of autopsies he either performed or supervised on a range of celebrities and public figures that included Robert F. Kennedy, Janis Joplin, Inger Stevens, Albert Dekker, William Holden, John Belushi, Natalie Wood, Sharon Tate, and Gia Scala. " The thing is if we are talking about people ruthless enough to be involved in things like Operation Phoenix and mk ultra, there would be no extent to which they would not go to stage the murders and fake them. Who knows if they even obtained a dead body which resembled Sharon Tate and used fake staged photos of the real Tate released to the media? The faces were reportedly cut up and covered in blood when they were found. They could have gotten away with practically anything with a compromised media under their control and whatever 'classifications' were placed on who would handle the investigation etc. I don't believe for a second that Sharon Tate was murdered by Susan Atkins just to please Charles Manson etc. It never made sense, and it was never plausible to begin with, now that I look back on it. I read Helter Skelter and believed every single word of it years ago because it was entertaining and strange. Because I had no reason to doubt anything which I was told. I trusted the authorities on everything. The reasoning of most people in such cases is that they start on the basic premise of "well , it is strange, but it happened, so lets find out how this strange thing all came about". So you are led into consuming the entire constructed explanation. Instead of going with your initial intuitive skepticism of "This sounds a bit too weird. Some guy convinced a bunch of young women to throw their lives in the garbage and murder a pregnant woman whom they had never even met and drink her blood? And they did it all just to prove their evil devotion to him? And it turned out to have been a movie star whom they had randomly butchered....sounds a bit far-fetched." Wake up , everyone. It never made sense because it was not real in the first place. It was fiction. People want to believe in tooth fairies and moon landings and Jason Bourne and John Wick..... in the same way that they want to believe that wild , fantastical , spectacular things like Manson happened. Boredom begets morbid fascination with fantasy. So it doesn't matter anymore what's real or not real. Fake celebrity heroes and fake celebrity villains, and no one really wants the fantasy to end. All they want is the flattery , from the biggest fantasy of all. That they, themselves, are important enough to warrant being told the truth.​

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[ThunkaHunka]

As documented in Tom Wolfe's non-fiction book (The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test)
about Ken Kesey and his group from Stanford University (known
as The Merry Pranksters) who helped distribute and market massive amounts of
LSD.





So the military-industrial elitists who founded Bohemian Grove (and its offshoot 'The Family Farm') , and who
founded Stanford University, were the hidden hand behind the the mass-LSD program administered America
beginning in the mid-1960s


Note above Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac in close with the Merry
Pranksters and The Grateful Dead

Hank Harrison managed 'The Grateful Dead' and was close to
David Grohl and his band Nirvana (the lead singer was Hank Harrison's
son-in-law Cobain) . So its very likely that Hank Harrison knew
James Grohl at the time that James Grohl 'admired' his friends Allen Ginsberg and
Jack Kerouac.
So isn't it interesting that Nirvana was selected as a project band by Hank Harrison
and his recruiter daughter Courtney Love, and voila...the son of Hank Harrison's
Washington friend James Grohl is inserted as Nirvana's drummer. And from there
the band receives a big push from obscurity to stardom.

But....

someone please explain how it is that Dave Grohl's father was both a 'conservative speech writer' for
President Richard Nixon, and a big fan of LSD proponents Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg:



James Grohl worked for Scripps-Howard, another Bohemian Grove (CIA-controlled) media
agency.

Note above: Hearst Newspapers, Time Magazine, Scripps Howard, Warner Brothers (same guys
who butchered the juicy occult secret bits out of 'Eyes Wide Shut' and 'disappeared' Stanley Kubrick )
All of them getting their regular updates and briefings from the Bohemian Club and its London handlers.
And of course meeting for their annual summer celebration pow-wow at Bohemian Grove.

The following excerpt is interesting , detailing James Grohl's and his sons connections to the Skull n'
Bones society:
















Crowley's 'hat' below is likely just his ritual robe, neatly folded into its hood and positioned on his head:

 

[ThunkaHunka]

 

[ThunkaHunka]

Drummer Stewart Copeland was born in Alexandria, Virginia.
The same suburb of Washington, D.C. which Cass Elliott and
Jim Morrison grew up in:



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"Copeland was born in Alexandria, Virginia, the youngest of four children of CIA officer Miles Copeland, Jr. and Scottish archaeologist Lorraine Adie. The family moved to Cairo, Egypt a few months after his birth, and Copeland spent his formative years in the Middle East. In 1957, the family moved to Beirut, Lebanon and Copeland attended the American Community School there. He started drum lessons at age twelve and by age thirteen he was playing drums for school dances."

Interesting too is that his mother was a Scottish archaeologist and that they moved to Cairo, Egypt in 1952/53. Were they digging for something in Egypt, which led them to Lebanon in 1957, still searching for something?

Or, was it also partially a front/cover for CIA agent Miles Copeland to move around, onstensibly to follow the career path of his
explorer wife...in example: say he's working for the CIA in Egypt, and then he's needed in Lebanon. So, to cover his tracks,
they claim that his wife needs to do exploration work in Lebanon.

an interesting facet to it , is that the CIA may have been actually digging for lost ancient documents on sensitive topics
which they did not want falling into the wrong hands. Lost technology , lost esoteric knowledge, and the like.





isn't it interesting that The Police had an arabic flavor and theme to their music,
with songs like 'Behind My Camel' and lots of Egyptian imagery on their records, tours
etc.
The above masonic pyramid album art is interesting. Look who is atop the pyramid.
Its the son of CIA agent Miles Copeland. Drummer Stewart Copeland.
In other words, Stewart and his father created and controlled 'The Police'.
IOW the CIA.
And like his mother, Stewart has a cover for traveling all over the world with
an entourage consisting of who knows who...and who knows what. To what
real purposes.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Dave Grohl is a pretty straight guy as far as I understand. Why would he be leading kids to destruction through drugs?

I have never seen or heard of him insinuating anything of the sort.

Please explain ThunkaHunka

 

[ThunkaHunka]

Originally Posted by thunkerdrone This is my guess as to where Manson went too. Manson and Abigail Folger, and probably Sharon Tate , all spoke Spanish: The National Bulletin - June 29, 1970​ also interesting In February 1970, Janis Joplin traveled to Brazil, where she stopped her drug and alcohol use. She was accompanied on vacation there by her friend Linda Gravenites, who had designed the singer's stage costumes from 1967 to 1969. Joplin was romanced by a fellow American tourist named David (George) Niehaus, who was traveling around the world. A Joplin biography written by her sister Laura said, "David was an upper-middle-class Cincinnati kid who had studied communications at Notre Dame. ... [and] had joined the Peace Corps after college and worked in a small village in Turkey. ... He tried law school, but when he met Janis he was taking time off."[14] Niehaus and Joplin were photographed by the press at Rio Carnival in Rio de Janeiro.[12] Gravenites also took color photographs of the two during their Brazilian vacation. According to Joplin biographer Ellis Amburn, in Gravenites' snapshots they "look like a carefree, happy, healthy young couple having a tremendously good time."[5] Rolling Stone magazine interviewed Joplin during an international phone call, quoting her: "I'm going into the jungle with a big bear of a beatnik named David Niehaus. I finally remembered I don't have to be on stage twelve months a year. I've decided to go and dig some other jungles for a couple of weeks."[5] Amburn added in 1992, "Janis was trying to kick heroin in Brazil, and one of the nicest things about George was that he wasn't into drugs."[5] Joplin began using heroin again when she returned to the United States. Her relationship with Niehaus soon ended because of him witnessing her shooting drugs at her new home in Larkspur, California, her romantic relationship with Peggy Caserta, who also was an intravenous addict, and her refusal to take some time off work and travel the world with him. Death On Sunday, October 4, 1970, producer Paul Rothchild became concerned when Joplin failed to show up at Sunset Sound Recorders for a recording session. Full Tilt Boogie's road manager, John Cooke, drove to the Landmark Motor Hotel in Hollywood where Joplin was staying. He saw Joplin's psychedelically painted Porsche 356C Cabriolet in the parking lot. Upon entering Joplin's room (#105), he found her dead on the floor beside her bed. The official cause of death was an overdose of heroin, possibly compounded by alcohol. Joplin's death in October 1970 at the age of 27 stunned her fans and shocked the music world, especially when coupled with the death just sixteen days earlier of another rock icon, Jimi Hendrix, also at age 27

it just gets more ridiculous how obvious it is that all these people knew each other and faked their deaths. Jim Morrison went to the same school as Cass Elliot (Mama Cass). Cass Elliot has links to The Wrecking Crew. Sharon Tate was in the 1967 film The Wrecking Crew the same year that Cass Elliots music went huge.




Now we find out (see the quoted excerpt below) that Cass Elliott knew Sharon Tate, that Abigail Folger knew Charles Manson...........its all just plain as day solved now. The Manson thing was a hoax and almost everyone connected to the whole thing either faked their deaths or faked their incarcerations for their own protection . (they were very young people, possible security risks , too prominent , too watched, 'knew too much' and the safest route for them was to get out of Dodge completely , leave the country, disappear from the face of the earth, before the more drastic route emerged). Even , it appears,the death of the Beachboys Dennis Wilson was possibly faked:

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http://www.american-buddha.com/music.covertwarrock4.htm

The Death of Cass Elliot and Other "Restless Youth"

The late Mae Brussell, a mercurial encyclopedia of political research in Carmel, California, reached some startling conclusions in an unpublished manuscript entitled "Operation CHAOS".
By August, 1967, Special Operations Group went after the youth. By July, 1968, Operation CHAOS, identical to Chilean "Chaos," went after the "restless youth." This wasn't a study. It was an attack.
Mid-summer of 1969, one month before the Manson Family massacres, Operation CHAOS went into the most tight security [mode]. They had perfected enough LSD to cause every violent act or symptom associated with the violence in Los Angeles or at Altamont. It was identical to giving poison candy at Halloween. LSD was the moving force, the cause for the Sharon Tate-La Bianca slaughters. It was fed at the Spahn Ranch for a steady diet.
July, 1968, explicit orders went out to proceed, accompanied with instructions to neutralize segments of our society, including those restless youth. By 1969, the 555, Special Services Staff of the FBI, combined with the Justice Department, and with CIA's Operation CHAOS
August, 1969 was the Sharon Tate-La Bianca slaughter. [1]
What Manson called home was a relic of Hollywood's past. The Spahn Ranch was the backdrop for movies made by Tom Mix, William S. Hart and John Mack Brown. Parts of Howard Hughes's The Outlaw were shot there. [3]
Much has been made of Manson's interactions with the Process Church of the Final Judgment in Los Angeles, a religious organization that worshipped a buffet of Jehovah, Lucifer and Satan. "Release the fiend that lies dormant within you" was one Process teaching. "Learn to love fear" was another.
A Process newsletter from London, written by "Soror H" shortly after the Tate-LaBianca murders, celebrated Manson and claimed him as a fellow Process Satanist.
Manson went astray where others in the PROCESS have succeeded. He was sucked into the whirlpool of Fame and Fortune and when he didn't cut it, he decided to cut it up. He testifies to those areas many of us deny exist. Perhaps the fascination is that he carried out his ideas in action, and showed many of us what it's like to actually commit the crime we'd like to commit.
Manson was clever in his choice of beliefs: the whole Beatles Helter Skelter thing was, of course, a model to instill the PROCESS into his followers, who were more likely to respond to such "turned-on" symbols than the more traditionalones. The whole thing was a scam; a guru trick, but Manson's intention was to open up the occult centres of perception by a unique, pop-based outlook influenced primarily by the PROCESS. [4]
Manson, the aspiring rock artist, and his family of tripping satyrs socialized with established recording artists in Los Angeles. He lived for a year with Beach Boy Dennis Wilson, who would drown in twelve feet of water in 1983. Bobby Beausoleil, convicted for the torture-murder of Gary Hinman, was a devotee of Manson's. The rock group Love, founded by Beausoleil's musical companion Arthur Lee (of the signature multicolored glasses), was not a band of laughing survivors. Since the Manson episode, a curse has dogged their heels. Guitarist Bryan Maclean and bass-player Ken Forssi are dead Tjay Cantrelli, born John Barberis, a sax player and flutist, is also presumed dead, at least this is the most probable conjecture. Johnny Echols has disappeared and is also thought to be deceased. Michael Stuart, drummer, changed his name to conceal his identity and his whereabouts are unknown. Arthur Lee, convicted in 1995 to 12 years at the Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga, California, for firing a handgun into the air, is fiercely reluctant to discuss the group's past, and so are survivors of Love's many incarnations. But the prison sentence is unreasonably harsh -- considering that a fan visiting Lee at his home on Mulholland Drive confessed to firing the pistol himself, and that the fan suffered such remorse over the conviction that he developed a bipolar disorder and was hospitalized. William Cenego, the fan, insists that the forensic test for gun-powder residue on Lee's hand was negative. "I think Arthur had an incredibly unfair trial," Cenego laments. "It's almost not accurate to describe it as a trial."[5]
The death of Dennis Wilson was questioned by Mae Brussell in her weekly "Worldwatcher's International" broadcast on KAZU-FM, Monterey, California, on January 16, 1984:
There's [an] article in the San Francisco Chronicle ... that said: 'Dennis Wilson was responsible for one of the group's darkest secrets. 'Me and Charlie, we started the Family."' He said he'd founded the Manson Family. He made a record with Charles Manson. On the 20/20 album, Dennis Wilson is credited as author ...
Bill Oster was the fellow who allegedly owned the yacht where he drowned. [Oster:] "He appeared to be clowning [Wilson] when he dove into 12 feet of water. He did not surface after the dive. He poked his hand above and waved. I saw the body slip. I thought he was clowning. I knew he had to come up for air."
The Los Angeles Herald said that "His wife called at the boat at 4:30." That would be the exact time he was going under. A woman answered and she was "kind of rude."' She said: "We've got some trouble here" and slammed down the phone. That would be the exact time that he was bubbling and waving and nobody jumped in for him. And at 5:30, one hour later, according to another account, he was picked up.
Two days before the drowning, Wilson had signed into St. John's Hospital to "be clean of alcohol and drugs." A man and a woman visited him. Wilson became agitated and signed out of the unit. He was taken immediately to the boat.
Medical examiners found a gash on the drummer's forehead:
The coroner said [the gash] "didn't contribute" to his death. He died as a result of "drowning." He has a hit on the head and drowns in 12 feet of water.
Wilson's friends check him out and supplied him with alcohol, and he has a hit on the head and drowns in 12 feet of water. He was buried at sea. This assures that there will be no autopsy after that bang on the head. He's fed to the sharks ... that's the old Grenada trip they're using. And there's no way now to ever know what caused that bang on his head, or how deep it was ...
In Sharon Tate's home there were video movies of military VIPs. I know there were, but who was on those tapes? They belonged to the LAPD. Would Dennis Wilson know who was on those tapes? He was close to that scene.
Ed Sanders notes that Manson met Abigail Folger, the wealthy coffee heiress found dead among the carnage on Cielo Drive, at the home of Mama Cass Elliot. [6]
"Gibby," Maury Terry learned, "had more money than she knew what to do with. She was into finding herself and new directions, and she was always investing in things." She doled out cash to Manson on occasion. Then stopped. "Manson turned against her when she refused to layout any more bucks for him."
When Manson lived in San Francisco, Folger loaned $10,000 to the Straight Theater at Haight and Cole Streets. Manson then lived on Cole Street, on the same block as the Process Church. On September 21, 1967, the Magick Powerhouse of Oz performed at the Straight in celebration of the "Equinox of the Gods." Bobby Beausoleil was the lead guitarist at this august function.
Folger also funded Timothy Leary, filmmaker Kenneth Anger, and the Process Church of the Final Judgment in the establishment of the "Himalayan Academy," not far from the Esalen Institute. The Leary Lab was chock-a-block with pricey brain-scanning gear, oscilloscopes, and advanced bioelectronic hardware. Manson was a hanger-on at the Himalayan Foundation. In fact, he first encountered the Process there, joined the openly Satanic sect, according to Terry, "and later convened with the group in Mill Valley and at a dwelling in San Anselmo occupied by a well-known personage aligned with the LSD scene. Both cities are in the Bay area." [7]
Folger, a financier of a covert CIA lab, knew another regular of Mama Cass's entourage, Bill Mentzer, currently serving a life term for the murder of fledgling Hollywood producer Roy Radin, a partner in The Cotton Club. He never lived to see the movie -- Robert Evans, a partner with the deceased in the film and a friend of Henry Kissinger, did.
Mama Cass
The nucleus of this pathological parade, Cass Eliot, nee Ellen Naomi Cohen, born in 1941 and raised in Washington, D.C, was a German baronness by marriage. Her second husband, Baron Donald von Weidenman, a German nobleman, is currently an artist living in New York.
Cass was one of a famed quartet, The Mamas and The Papas, sometimes described as America's first hippies. The quartet formed in New York City in 1963 around songwriter John Phillips. Holly Michelle Gillian Phillips, born in Long Beach, California on June 4, 1945, gave up a modeling career to sing with Phillips and married him in 1962. The Journeymen, as they were then known, also included Scott McKenzie, who would join the surviving Mamas and Papas in 1985.
Cass moved with the group from the East Coast to Los Angeles in 1964, and they were signed by Lou Alder's Dunhill label. The Mamas and Papas split up in 1968. Michelle Phillips set out on a successful acting career, appearing in Dillinger and Valentino. She was a regular on Knots Landing. Michelle married actor Dennis Hopper for eight days in 1970. John Phillips and Dennis Doherty, the Papas, also went solo with mixed success. Cass Elliot, however, launched a highly successful career. She produced seven albums and several singles before her death in 1974.
Cass' beau at the time of her fatal heart attack was Pic Dawson, then under investigation by Scotland Yard for international drug smuggling, and the son of a State Department official under Henry Kissinger.
Cass had recently finished two weeks at the London Palladium The coroner's report was not conclusive. She "probably choked to death," but there was also "a possibility of heart attack."
In his career biography of Cass Elliot, Jon Johnson published twelve photocopies from her FBI file, released after an FOIA request. The pages are almost entirely obscured by black ink (?). Hoover's Bureau surveilled Cass at the request of Alexander P. Butterfield, a retired Air Force commando and Nixon's chief security advisor.
"She reportedly has associated with drug addicts," the FBI report mentions, "and individuals opposed to the President's Vietnam policy."
One report marked "urgent" and "confidential" states that Cass Elliot attended a fund-raiser in Hollywood attended by Jack Nicholson and Ryan O'Neal, among other celebrities. The event was hosted by the Entertainment Industry for Peace and Justice Committee (EIPJ). The FBI file gossips that "between dates with Henry Kissinger, Marlo Thomas also attended the EIPJ meet with Barry Diller." Tuesday Weld, Burt Lancaster and Jane Fonda, among others, also attended the fund-raiser.
Cass had political ambitions. "I think that I would like to be a senator or something in twenty years," she told Mike Douglas. She attended a variety of Democratic Party functions, participated in a Madison Square Garden rally sponsored by Rose Kennedy. "I saw in the Democratic Convention in Chicago that there were more people interested in what I was interested in than I believed possible. It made me want to work ... there would be room in an organized movement of politics for me to voice myself." (Johnson).
Paul Krassner, editor of The Realist, a fixture of the "underground" press, suspects Cass was the target of political foul play. "Cass Elliot was a friend," he says. "I believe she may have been killed. She knew an awful lot about the incredible criminal links between Hollywood and Washington and Las Vegas ... She was also a friend of Sharon Tate's. On the night Bobby Kennedy was killed, [Cass] had dinner with Sharon and Roman Polanski at the home of film director John Frankenheimer in Malibu Beach."'
Pathologists in London refused to specify the cause of death at a public hearing. They did, however, mutter fatuously that she may have "choked" to death. The most-ludicrous-explanation award went to Dr. Keith Simpson, whose autopsy detected a "left-sided heart failure. She plainly had a heart attack." He claimed, to cries of outrage from the medical community, that a section of Elliot's heart muscle had actually "turned to fat." The coronary lapse was attributed to "stress." Johnson:
The conclusion was termed "improper" by a Vanderbilt University heart specialist immediately after it was made public ."It is true that obesity is related to high blood pressure and stroke, but there's no correlation with a heart attack," disputed Dr. George V. Mann. "He's stating an old-fashioned dogma, a Victorian concept of fatty degeneration that has gone out in modern times. Old time pathologists tend to look at deposits of adipose tissue around the surface of the heart and associate it with a heart attack, but a heart attack is due to limitation of blood supply to the heart muscle with the result that some of the muscle dies."
Whatever the underlying cause, the verdict remained unchanged. She died of a massive heart attack. [9]
Blood tests detected no drugs or alcohol in her system -- but then this is the same report that arrived at ersatz "Victorian" conclusions. She took to her grave knowledge of drug trafficking by Pic Dawson, a State Department official's son, and any information that Manson and Mentzer may have shared with her -- exactly as Abigail Folger was silenced on Cielo Drive, taking with her any knowledge she may have had of the Himalayan Institute and related federally-sponsored "human guinea-pig farms."

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by the way, it is obvious that Janis Joplin knew Cass Elliott, Jimi Hendrix, and Brian Jones, all of whom
worked with her/performed with her at the CIA's LSD - infused 'Summer of Love' 1967 Monterey Pop Festival, and all of whom, along with her, purportedly died just two or so years later. Along with, of course, Sharon Tate and Abigail Folger and Jim Morrison.

So all of them knew about the Manson hoax and sundry other things, namely that the Manson hoax was a small component of something of the scope and scale of Operation Chaos, the fake serial killings, the intentional mass LSD poisonings and Merry Prankster drug ops, the Hells Angels link to the USAF, and all the rest. Every single one of them was purportedly dead by the early 1970s.....
yeah, right , what a coincidence.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

Every single unexplainable aspect of the Manson farce falls into place
once you realize the whole thing was a hoax. Such as how purported Manson cult henchman and killer Bobby Beausoleil continued his lucrative music recording and artists career ,purportedly from prison:



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_B...eil#Film_roles Bobby Beausoleil In the late 1970s, with the permission of the prison, Bobby Beausoleil composed and recorded the soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's movie Lucifer Rising after Anger's first choice, Jimmy Page, could not manage to deliver enough music for the film after three years of waiting, according to Anger.[citation needed] The official Beausoleil soundtrack was released on CD (along with archival material from The Orkustra and The Magick Powerhouse of Oz) in 2004. He has also recorded and released two albums of instrumental material (Orb and Mantra). In 2005, a selection of his artwork exhibited in Clair Obscur Gallery, Los Angeles. Just prior to the exhibition, the gallery exhibited photos of Sharon Tate.[6] The parole board, in denying parole in 2005, stated that this display and marketing of Beausoleil's artwork was exploitative of the victims and showed a lapse of judgment by Beausoleil.[7] In 2013, The Lucifer Rising Suite was rereleased for the last time on LP. This anthology documents the entire Lucifer Rising soundtrack project from its earliest beginnings in 1967 to its ultimate completion and delivery to the filmmaker in 1979. In addition to the actual soundtrack, alternate themes, musical and soundscape experiments, and some live performances are contained in the box set. All of those recordings were acquired from the original open reel tapes and meticulously restored and mastered for vinyl by Robert Ferbrache. All four disks have individual cardboard sleeves featuring original paintings by Bobby BeauSoleil symbolizing the stations of the journey, culminating in a reproduction of his painting The Long Way Home on a 2ft. by 3ft. poster. The accompanying booklet contains three perspectives on the project written by Michael Moynihan, Dennis Dread and the composer himself. Timo Ketola’s skill as an artist is evident in the design of the package and some graphical elements; with Dennis Dread supplying the darkly magnificent front and back cover art for the box. It is currently sold out. In 2014, a CD version of The Lucifer Rising Suite boxed set was released. This album package has all of the features of the LP version scaled down to compact disk size: 4 disks in individual full color cardboard sleeves depicting the stages of the Lucifer Rising cycle, 2 posters, a 24-page booklet, all in a handsome premium box.

when I say lucrative, I mean lucrative ..imagine what signed original first copies of anything Bobby Beausoleil put out would be worth, whether its his CDs or paintings or guitars or memorabilia or whatever , its all part of the scam. He is inside that whole arts promotion scam game
with all the rest of them. That's what this is all about, its about collectors
and rarities and 'limited editions' and auctions and the rest of it.

We are supposed to believe that a satanic cult killer Bobby Beausoleil would be allowed to compose and record
music within prison which would be used for a satanic cult film? With presumably complete
access to musical instruments and recording facilities. ??


None of it makes any sense until you know that the Manson cult was a hoax, no one ever went
to prison, and they have all been milking the publicity and collectors racket for the past 45 years.

Not to mention a fact which is becoming obvious now. Which is that these people all remained 'in business'
as Manson celebs long after they were almost executed on death row before California abolished the death penalty and
spared their lives.

In other words, Manson, Bobby Beausoleil, Atkins and probably all the rest of them were kept on the payroll , rewarded
for their service to military intel....and so now we know who bids up the value of all of their assorted 'for sale' junk.
Their paintings, their books, their music, and all the rest of it. Its the perfect way to covertly pay them.

For example, Atkins is not even in prison, she's free. Lying low, under a fake identity. But she's low on money. And her CIA handlers need a cover to get some money to her . So they 'buy' another one of her paintings at inflated value. Same with Bobby and his music, and Manson's prison art
racket and the rest of it. All of it purported 'collectors gold'. Meanwhile, the 'collectors' manically buying and trading the stuff are all just spooks.
Funneling money , laundered.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

So much research. Have you contacted Vincent Bugliosi to get Manson posthumously found innocent?

 

[ThunkaHunka]

a side tangent topic of this thread was the psych warfare division's control of the rock industry,
and how it would explain the glut of horribly depressing music which is all over the radio.

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No thread on this topic would be complete without including this absolutely satanic video and song from knighted occultist Annie Lennox: watch it at peril of losing your lunch: ​ Knighted Annie Lennox lives right in among the rest of her satanists at 15 Central Park West, a ten minute walk from The Dakota.
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Annie Lennox decorated by Queen Elizabeth with OBE/CBE, which stands for Officer/Commander of the Order of the British Empire, the highest honor below a knight or dame.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

This thread touched on the theme of what David McGowan eloquently discussed in his
book , the installation of rock bands by the intel apparatus which covertly run our media:




Talk about suppression . Check out this playlist of 72 different Youtube interviews of David McGowan about his book.
(the playlist linked below was posted to Youtube in 2016)

Youtube has, over the past three years deleted almost one third of the interviews:




At this rate? Six years from now , the remaining two thirds will be gone. and there won't be a trace of David McGowan left on Youtube.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

OSS/CIA officer Miles Copeland Jr.
"Copeland maintained that CIA assertions to the Church Committee that MK-ULTRA had poor results were a smokescreen, and that the Senate only got "the barest glimpse" of the scope of the project."

Miles Copeland's son, Stewart Copeland, drummer for the Police

Sumner Murray Rothstein (aka Sumner Redstone) worked with Miles Copeland (the father of the drummer for the Police) in the OSS (forerunner to the CIA) . Sting's father was Ernest Sumner

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Sumner Murray Redstone (born Sumner Murray Rothstein; May 27, 1923) is majority owner and Chairman of the Board of the National Amusements theater chain. Through National Amusements, Sumner Redstone and his family are majority owners of CBS Corporation, Viacom, and MTV Networks, BET, and movie production and distribution Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks movie studios, and are equal partners in MovieTickets.com.

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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sumner_Redstone
"Mr. Redstone served in the Military Intelligence Division during World War II. While a student at Harvard, he was selected by Japanese history professor Edwin Reischauer (later Ambassador to Japan) to join a special intelligence group whose mission was to break Japan's high-level military and diplomatic codes. In connection with these activities, Mr. Redstone received, among other honors, two commendations from the Military Intelligence Division in recognition of his service, contribution and devotion to duty. He is also a recipient of the Army Commendation Award.

Police Album with pyramid/triangle


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Miles Copeland, Jr. (July 16, 1916 – January 14, 1991) was an American musician, businessman, and CIA officer who was closely involved in major foreign-policy operations from the 1950s to the 1980s. He was married to archaeologist Lorraine Copeland and was the father of record producer Miles Copeland III, booking agent Ian Copeland, writer/film producer Lorraine (Lennie) Copeland and Stewart Copeland, best known as the drummer for The Police.
Career
Copeland was born in Birmingham, Alabama, the son of a doctor. He did not graduate from college and became a trumpet player with bandleaders such as Erskine Hawkins, Charlie Barnet, Ray Noble, and Glenn Miller.
OSS founding
At the outbreak of World War II, Copeland contacted Rep. John Sparkman of Alabama, who got him a job with Army Intelligence. Showing promise, he was one of the founding members of the OSS under William "Wild Bill" Donovan, serving in London, where he became a lifelong Anglophile and married Lorraine Adie, a Scot then serving in the Special Operations Executive. [1] He remained with the office as it was transformed into the Central Intelligence Agency. Among his first postings was Damascus, Syria, beginning a long career in the Middle East. Working closely with Archibald Roosevelt (son of Theodore), and his nephew Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., he was instrumental in arranging Operation Ajax, the 1953 technical coup d'état against the democratic Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh.
CIA career
In 1953, Copeland returned to private life at the consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton, while remaining a non-official cover operative for the CIA. In this role he traveled to Cairo to offer Gamal Abdel Nasser, who had overthrown King Farouk and taken power in Egypt, U.S. technical assistance in their ongoing border conflicts. At the time, the U.S. considered regional instability surrounding the new state of Israel a threat to oil industry interests in the Middle East.[citation needed]
In 1958, Syria merged with Egypt in the United Arab Republic; and in 1955 Copeland returned to the CIA. During the Suez Crisis, the United States decided to block France and the United Kingdom, which had invaded, and back Egypt's independence and control of the Suez Canal, a move said to have been advocated by Copeland with the goal of ending British control of the region's oil resources, and forestalling the influence of the Soviet Union on regional governments by placing the US on their side. Nevertheless, after the crisis Nasser moved closer to the USSR and accepted massive military technology and engineering assistance on the Aswan Dam. Copeland, allied with John and Allen Dulles, worked to reverse US diplomatic policy on Egypt at this time.
After King Faisal II was deposed by Iraqi nationalists, Copeland admittedly oversaw CIA contacts with the regime and internal opponents including Saddam Hussein and others in the Ba'ath Party. With Egyptian assistance, Saddam was aided in the failed assassination of Prime Minister Abdul Karim Qassim, who had blocked union with the United Arab Republic, a goal of the Ba'athists.[citation needed] Saddam fled to Cairo and bided his time under Egyptian protection until a coup against Qassim — which blindsided American officials — occurred in 1963. Seizing the moment, Saddam, said to have been provided with U.S. weapons, took part in massacres of suspected Communists as the new regime consolidated power, and rose in the Ba'ath power structure. [2]
Copeland opposed some major CIA operations such as the Bay of Pigs attempted invasion of Cuba in 1961, believing that they were impossible to keep secret due to size. For many years he was based in Beirut, where his children grew up attending the American Community School.
He was later involved in the coup against Kwame Nkrumah, the elected President of Ghana.
Retirement
After retirement from the CIA, Copeland wrote foreign policy books and an autobiography, and articles for publications including the National Review. He was active in 1970s political efforts to defend the CIA against critics including the Church Committee. In 1988, Copeland wrote an article titled "Spooks for Bush" which asserted that the intelligence community overwhelmingly supported George H.W. Bush for President; Bush had run the CIA during the 1970s under Gerald Ford.
Copeland wrote later of his suspicions that a drug from the CIA MK-ULTRA program similar to LSD may have been slipped to Democratic presidential candidate Edmund Muskie, causing his well-publicized emotional response to attacks on his wife, through either Howard Hunt or G. Gordon Liddy.[1] He also claimed that CIA assertions to the Church Committee that MK-ULTRA had poor results were a smokescreen, and that the Senate only got "the barest glimpse" of the scope of the project.[2]
Copeland would continue to make bold assertions about CIA operations, both in interviews and his own books, but was never prosecuted for these statements, unlike colleague Frank Snepp, implying that the CIA approved of his statements. He claimed that CIA contacts in Britain aided the election of Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister,[3] and that CIA operatives had a hand in the founding of the Church of Scientology.[4]
During the Iran hostage crisis, Copeland met with Israeli officials during the crisis to carry a "track two" diplomatic initiative to Tehran offering a compromise. Copeland also met with other CIA operatives to formulate a rescue plan, which would have involved undercover agents dressed as Iranian military attempting to take custody of the hostages from the student leaders occupying U.S. embassy grounds, then transport them to a suburban location where they would be met by American aircraft. He is also suspected of knowledge or participation in the Reagan campaign's alleged deal with Iran to prevent the release of the embassy hostages prior the November 1980 U.S. presidential contest, which many assert ensured the end of Jimmy Carter's administration. Specifics of these alleged covert machinations are detailed in various political histories entitled October Surprise. In a 1990 interview, Copeland intimated knowledge that the Iranian government had signalled to the Republican campaign that they would not release the hostages before the election. He died in February 1991.[5]

MTV studio in Toronto's Masonic Temple

 

[ThunkaHunka]

That Bowie stuff you posted says nothing new. Bowie himself years later admits it was a mistake at the time to say he was gay. High on coke and seeking publicity he said it just to get attention.

Here's Bowie with his long term boyfriend Lou Reed: