Mega Thread The Mark Neeld Mega-Thread

[Mordecai]

I ment it more that who ever takes it on is doomed. Melbourne's current problems run much deeper than their coach and getting rid of Neeld is just a way of papering over the cracks.

They're slowly getting in better individuals. Peter Jackson is a start.

 

[Forward Press]

I don't get this. If Neeld gets sacked this week it will be what ... 3 coaches in 3 years? Is that right?

It would also depend on whether you count Todd Viney as caretaker. Selective use of stats there to paper over the fact that Neeld is a real risk of losing his job not long after he started, and that Bailey didn't last long either.

 

[Monkey King]

Neeld would have to be dividing the playing group or it be clear he's not going to do damned thing for the club in the next few years for a sacking to make sense. Forget the results this year.

It just seems like a big mistake to bring a guy in who reshapes the list one year and then gets the arse sooner than half way through the following year. You either have faith in him to do his job and give him a fair run at it, or you don't have faith and tell him to leave the list largely in tact.

I just feel sorry for the club.

 

[Max zero]

I just wonder if the coach selection panel is going to take any responsibility? This is two duds in a row, does not say much for their judgement.

Maybe the selection panel needs a review.

Garry Lyon can also GTFO.

 

[Dragz]

Can they afford to pay him out if they sack him??

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Wow, just wow.

I'm lost for words, if supporters are happy with that " endeavour ", then...........................

I hate it when coaches and supporters babble on about endeavour. These are highly paid professional footballers. Endeavour is the bare minimum we should be asking.

 

[ablett]

Some clubs are better at selection coaches than others, no club selects a coach with a vision he will fail.
Melbourne are at risk to keep him or sack him, I don't see the point in sacking him they don't have a successor that can take over next year.
Melbourne would obviously have a few assistant coaches that could act as a caretaker coach for the remainder of the season but any that could coach beyond this season?

Essendon would not have sacks Knights if they didn't have Hird & co committed to taking over.

Roos or Choco Williams would have to be high on Melbournes Coaching list?
Maybe Roos ,with an up n coming coach along side whom can take over in a few years , like Longmuire did at Sydney.

 

[Call Me Cake]

 

[LouisCK]

Ill say it again bailey should be still coaching, stupid club sacked him for some pr.

Its hard to disagree.

Bailey had a tenth of the FD that Neeld has, and had the players loyalty. They were improving and developing.

 

[royboys4eva]

For me one of the big questions that needs to be asked is who decided it was a good idea to bring in Rodan - Brynes - Pedersen ? I know they didn't give up a whole lot to draft them in but seriously all three were playing in the seconds for their respective clubs. Baffling decisions. Meanwhile Dayle Garlett is killing it in the WAFL. Demons might have been better of picking him up with a pick in the 60 or 70s and if it didn't work so be it they took a risk on a perceived top 5 pick in the 4th round. Instead they got has beens. As a club they make some very poor decisions. Dean Bailey may well have been a decent coach who was shown the door far to soon.

 

[hailblighty]

Gary Ayres would step up and take the job for minimum wage. Melbourne would still look the other way though.

Ayresy would certainly whip them into line.

 

[hailblighty]

I thought Neeld was a real douche the way he came in the club with his tough persona but who will replace him when they give him the chop? Another highly rated assistant coach? No experienced coach will go near that train wreck. And the people that keep putting up the names of Roos and Worsfold have go to get off the drugs.

His presser after the round one defeat last year was classic haha.. the twitching lip, the steel glare. Talk about dancing on ones own grave

 

[ziad]

all quite tasteless. Regardless there is no way they are getting Morton back.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Its hard to disagree.

Bailey had a tenth of the FD that Neeld has, and had the players loyalty. They were improving and developing.

This is the point, really. I'd love to understand how many people in this thread have ever coached? Can someone justify the logic that says the Coach needs to come in & crack heads, bust some big egos, etc? A Coach's job is to get the best out of his players. With a young list it's extremely unlikely that flogging them and berating them is going to achieve that.

This group is clearly bereft of all confidence. That's obvious to all of us. I'll guarantee that at the end of every game these players think that they've given 100% effort, but it's not genuine effort... team oriented effort... working for each other / 1% type effort. It's arse-covering effort. They don't seem to have a game plan. If they do have one, not enough of them understand it. I feel desperately sorry for them. I hope they get a Paul Roos style coach - someone who can bond them... heal them... educate them... develop them... understand them. I know that won't gel with many of the views in here that favour the stick over the carrot. It's a great job for the right person.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Neeld would have to be dividing the playing group or it be clear he's not going to do damned thing for the club in the next few years for a sacking to make sense. Forget the results this year.

It just seems like a big mistake to bring a guy in who reshapes the list one year and then gets the arse sooner than half way through the following year. You either have faith in him to do his job and give him a fair run at it, or you don't have faith and tell him to leave the list largely in tact.

I just feel sorry for the club.

Agree with this, it worth quoting in full.

He has been there for a season and a bit. He has been given the job of rebuilding a rebuild from what I understand. Surely he at least sees out the season, and more reasonably his contract, which ends at the end of next season. He can be judged after three seasons, not one and barely a half.

But then I'm sure Melbourne will react to the media and the nuff nuffs and go with what everyone thinks they should do, just as they did after the Geelong loss 18 months ago. 3 coaches in three years is just absurd should it happen, and not the sign of a club that knows where it is going.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Agree with this, it worth quoting in full.

He has been there for a season and a bit. He has been given the job of rebuilding a rebuild from what I understand. Surely he at least sees out the season, and more reasonably his contract, which ends at the end of next season. He can be judged after three seasons, not one and barely a half.

But then I'm sure Melbourne will react to the media and the nuff nuffs and go with what everyone thinks they should do, just as they did after the Geelong loss 18 months ago. 3 coaches in three years is just absurd should it happen, and not the sign of a club that knows where it is going.

I don't like seeing a coach sacked, so in large part I agree with you. At the same time I think you have to acknowledge if you've got the wrong bloke in the chair. You can't keep going backwards. Once a coach has lost his players it's time to go, and it doesn't matter if that 18 mths or 25 yrs into the job.

 

[LouisCK]

Yeah I was a Neeld supporter simply because he should, in theory, be given the chance to show what his plan was.

But there's only so many massive beltings you can suffer, and so many senior players that have gone backwards, before something has to give.

 

[Dragz]

For me one of the big questions that needs to be asked is who decided it was a good idea to bring in Rodan - Brynes - Pedersen ? I know they didn't give up a whole lot to draft them in but seriously all three were playing in the seconds for their respective clubs. Baffling decisions. Meanwhile Dayle Garlett is killing it in the WAFL. Demons might have been better of picking him up with a pick in the 60 or 70s and if it didn't work so be it they took a risk on a perceived top 5 pick in the 4th round. Instead they got has beens. As a club they make some very poor decisions. Dean Bailey may well have been a decent coach who was shown the door far to soon.

You don't normally draft people that haven't been delisted. The trick when you get the guys that were playing seconds, is because you believe you have a position in your best 22 for them and can bring that ability out in them. Case in point, Simpkin couldn't get a gig in Geelong's Midfield, but he's doing damm well in Hawthorns. (And, in Hindsight, is someone that would have been a great asset to melbourne!)

 

[Nankervis brothers]

I don't like seeing a coach sacked, so in large part I agree with you. At the same time I think you have to acknowledge if you've got the wrong bloke in the chair. You can't keep going backwards. Once a coach has lost his players it's time to go, and it doesn't matter if that 18 mths or 25 yrs into the job.

No offence, but I don't buy that. You hear this every time a coaches head is on the block - 'he has lost the players', they say. Yet losing badly is not evidence of a coach losing his players. Where is the evidence he has lost the players? He hadn't lost them pre-season, a mere two months ago. I've not heard of any serious claim of internal dissent. I agree, if the players are lost to the coach, then he goes. But this call is often bandied about without any base in reality.

 

[god of purple]

He needs to be sacked this week. This upcoming Queen's birthday fixture is an important one for MFC, their biggest match of the year these days. Melbourne must get their fans along to this game, especially when they have been struggling financially in recent times. They need to sack Neeld to add some curiosity, anticipation, and even hope to their fans that they will perform better under a new coach. It will add some excitement and melbourne will hold up their deal for the game to be worthy of a blockbuster, which will hopefully pull some old dejected dees fans through the gate. Having said that i think he will be gone by Monday or Tuesday

 

[Brown Bottle]

No offence, but I don't buy that. You hear this every time a coaches head is on the block - 'he has lost the players', they say. Yet losing badly is not evidence of a coach losing his players. Where is the evidence he has lost the players? He hadn't lost them pre-season, a mere two months ago. I've not heard of any serious claim of internal dissent. I agree, if the players are lost to the coach, then he goes. But this call is often bandied about without any base in reality.

None taken. I don't watch the Dees avidly, but I've seen enough to have massive concerns. There are problems with their list, but it's not as bad as what it's delivering, and it seems to be going backwards.

Coupled with Moloney's comments and the suggestion that other players want out I'd be very worried. There are some good Dees posters on these boards (and in this thread) who I consider to be pretty sensible & realistic. They are largely saying the same thing.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

None taken. I don't watch the Dees avidly, but I've seen enough to have massive concerns. There are problems with their list, but it's not as bad as what it's delivering, and it seems to be going backwards.

Coupled with Moloney's comments and the suggestion that other players want out I'd be very worried. There are some good Dees posters on these boards (and in this thread) who I consider to be pretty sensible & realistic. They are largely saying the same thing.

Fair enough, you may be right. I don't know. But I wouldn't personally be basing my opinion on what people say on a rumour and troll forum on the interwebz (which is basically what BF is), or what I can garner from the body language of players and coach on the tele during a big loss.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Fair enough, you may be right. I don't know. But I wouldn't personally be basing my opinion on what people say on a rumour and troll forum on the interwebz (which is basically what BF is), or what I can garner from the body language of players and coach on the tele during a big loss.

I have reservations about a single source, and certainly take little at face value on here. Moloney's comments were pretty damning. It was obvious last season from his output that Neeld had lost him. It came as no surprise that he left. I could accept skill errors as the coach of a young / inexperienced list. I couldn't accept a lack of effort consistently. Watching them sets off too many alarm bells for me.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

I have reservations about a single source, and certainly take little at face value on here. Moloney's comments were pretty damning. It was obvious last season from his output that Neeld had lost him. It came as no surprise that he left. I could accept skill errors as the coach of a young / inexperienced list. I couldn't accept a lack of effort consistently. Watching them sets off too many alarm bells for me.

Again, you may be on the money. But Moloney, from memory, had a pot-shot at Geelong after being moved on, so that might be just how he rolls. To my eye, from what I have seen from the Dees this year, they look like a side that are just so out-classed across every line that no amount brilliant coaching or endeavour would make a scrap of difference.

 

[western royboy]

Again, you may be on the money. But Moloney, from memory, had a pot-shot at Geelong after being moved on, so that might be just how he rolls. To my eye, from what I have seen from the Dees this year, they look like a side that are just so out-classed across every line that no amount brilliant coaching or endeavour would make a scrap of difference.

You should build a statue of Moloney at Kardinia Park, for he was the sacrificial lamb that allowed you to land Ottens, your very own Clark Keating and the missing link in your puzzle. From memory Moloney didn't pot Geelong on the way out, just said that he'd always been a Demons fan and he was happy to go.