Mega Thread The Mark Neeld Mega-Thread

[tonk]

So has he been fired, or not ( I am in the U.S.)?

 

[Beetlebum]

getting dawes...... does not look good on the coaching resume.

It's up there with us getting Jack Anthony..

 

[Belnakor]

30-40 years ago it might have been an option with static field positions and simple tactics. Now it would be nearly impossible with the speed and tactical changes of the modern game.

There's no way a player on the field could react fast enough or have the oversight to make changes affecting the entire field.

It really depends how loosely you use the word "Coach" for example, Sheedy clearly isn't coaching GWS, however on paper he is the nominated coach. you could have a captain/coach who "leads from the front" and makes tactical changes at bounce downs etc.

 

[Shoei]

It really depends how loosely you use the word "Coach" for example, Sheedy clearly isn't coaching GWS, however on paper he is the nominated coach. you could have a captain/coach who "leads from the front" and makes tactical changes at bounce downs etc.

the Sheedy situation is a little different, both "Coaches" are in the box with the ability to do the same things.

In that situation were you have a captain/coach on the field, you would need to have another "Coach" doing the real tactical work in the stands, then who overrules who? The guy on the field with limited perception or the guy in the stands with the full overview?

If the guy in the stands gets the final say, what's the point of the on-field "coach"?

 

[Kram]

It's up there with us getting Jack Anthony..

At least Freo didn't trade anything though like Melbourne giving away pick 20.

 

[JackOutback]

I'm torn...I've defended Neeld because he inherited a basketcase and is trying to create a cultural change, two things that take time to fix and will result in some short term pain. But that said, Melbourne looked horrible against Fremantle, hard to tell if it was even VFL/WAFL/SANFL standard football. Freo just had their way with them. Hard to see a team having the patience to sit through this for much longer without making some change.

 

[ausbacker]

I'm torn...I've defended Neeld because he inherited a basketcase and is trying to create a cultural change, two things that take time to fix and will result in some short term pain. But that said, Melbourne looked horrible against Fremantle, hard to tell if it was even VFL/WAFL/SANFL standard football. Freo just had their way with them. Hard to see a team having the patience to sit through this for much longer without making some change.

Creating cultural change is fine if the Head Coach is proficient in the fundamental requirement that coaching entails; coaching. During his short time with the Demons, I'm not afraid to say that Mark Neeld does not appear to tick that box from my observation of Melbourne's match day performances.

 

[cymarak]

So has he been fired, or not ( I am in the U.S.)?

Not fired.

 

[jim boy]

30-40 years ago it might have been an option with static field positions and simple tactics. Now it would be nearly impossible with the speed and tactical changes of the modern game.

There's no way a player on the field could react fast enough or have the oversight to make changes affecting the entire field.

Oddly enough it is now coming around to the time where it might be possible again. Coaches are more willing to give up the minutae of game day tactics. Paul Roos for example left that side of things largely up to Horse and became a bit of a sideline cheerleader in his last couple of years. Players are also more professional and organise themselves as per the team plan. The head coach is now more of a manager of coaches rather than a do-it-all yourself type of guy. Then you have players like Luke Power at GWS, Ben Hudson at Collingwood and Dom Gleeson at Geelong VFL who really are onfield coaches.

 

[ICCHILL007]

Watched the Freo vs Melbourne game on the weekend and OMG Melbourne were shocking. People always talk about Melbourne needing to stick to the game plan but can someone tell me what their game plan is. It seems to be so negative to me, like it is just to try and lose by less than 100 ( kicking the ball back and forth in the back line ). Picture on the net today showing 6 Fremantle players on their own hand passing it to each other shows how poor Melbourne's effort has got at some times.

Really staggers me to think the coach has not got the sack. Neeld has taken a bad team that used to still have a few good wins and changed it into a team that not even competitive and wouldnt even beat a WAFL team like Claremont.

 

[freoextra]

Watched the Freo vs Melbourne game on the weekend and OMG Melbourne were shocking. People always talk about Melbourne needing to stick to the game plan but can someone tell me what their game plan is. It seems to be so negative to me, like it is just to try and lose by less than 100 ( kicking the ball back and forth in the back line ). Picture on the net today showing 6 Fremantle players on their own hand passing it to each other shows how poor Melbourne's effort has got at some times.

Really staggers me to think the coach has not got the sack. Neeld has taken a bad team that used to still have a few good wins and changed it into a team that not even competitive and wouldnt even beat a WAFL team like Claremont.

Have to agree. Yes you can give time for a coach to bring about cultural change but the team must remain competitive. Melbourne should be able to be seen to be taking it up to most teams, not winning many, but taking it up and beating the teams they and their talent demands that they should beat.

I really don't want to give a sucker an even break but Melbourne simply must make a change. The guy sitting next to Neeld should take them through to the end of the year, he got Adelaide to the finals often enough!!

 

[Anja_Nees]

Have said it before, but it's time to swap the reserves for the senior players. Desperate and unlikely to work? Absolutely. Likely to get utterly flogged? Already happening. There is, however, a chance it might show some of the pretty boys that their careers are as much on the line as his. He has nothing else.

 

[forwardflanker]

So has he been fired, or not ( I am in the U.S.)?

Yep. Terry Wallace has just been appointed as new coach. Congratulations

 

[bresker]

So has he been fired, or not ( I am in the U.S.)?

Luckily we have this universal communication system called the internet that you are using

 

[AsIfYouCare]

The AFL needs to step in and and offer stupid money to an experienced coach and whatever team he wanted to assemble. For example offer Paul Roos or Bomber Thompson $2m for the remainder of this year, $3m for next year, and a $1m completion bonus. Reserve another $1m per year for the rest of his coaching team. No good coach wants to coach Melbourne, and they need to be paid enough to compensate for the risk that they might never coach again.

Melbourne is damaging the whole competition and that must be stopped, sooner rather than later. An uneven competition is jeopardising future TV rights deals.

Melbourne can't afford that sort of money, but they could pay out Neeld and co because they wouldn't be paying for replacements.

Its drastic intervention, but at least its a plausible plan.

 

[tonk]

Luckily we have this universal communication system called the internet that you are using

um, thats why I asked

 

[QuietB]

It's up there with us getting Jack Anthony..

Except they are paying Dawes. A shitload!

 

[QuietB]

Oddly enough it is now coming around to the time where it might be possible again. Coaches are more willing to give up the minutae of game day tactics. Paul Roos for example left that side of things largely up to Horse and became a bit of a sideline cheerleader in his last couple of years. Players are also more professional and organise themselves as per the team plan. The head coach is now more of a manager of coaches rather than a do-it-all yourself type of guy. Then you have players like Luke Power at GWS, Ben Hudson at Collingwood and Dom Gleeson at Geelong VFL who really are onfield coaches.

Who are Melbournes leaders?

 

[forwardflanker]

Melbourne is damaging the whole competition and that must be stopped, sooner rather than later. An uneven competition is jeopardising future TV rights deals.

Interesting comment from an Essendon supporter in light of recent controversy

 

[Morris Major]

um, thats why I asked

um, do you not think that it wouldn't be all over AFL.com or any Fairfax or News ltd. website if it did happen?

OR failing that, there would be a thread on it rather than for you to need to ask in this thread?

do you even interwebs?

 

[jim boy]

Who are Melbournes leaders?

Did you mean to quote me? I have no idea why you asking me that question, but FWIW, the demons dont have any onfield leaders, which is underrated as being a cause of their current troubles

 

[QuietB]

Did you mean to quote me? I have no idea why you asking me that question, but FWIW, the demons dont have any onfield leaders, which is underrated as being a cause of their current troubles

Just making the point that while it might be coming around again you would need a leader of incredible quality to make it happen and currently that is not the case at Melbourne.

 

[treefingers]

Have said it before, but it's time to swap the reserves for the senior players. Desperate and unlikely to work? Absolutely. Likely to get utterly flogged? Already happening. There is, however, a chance it might show some of the pretty boys that their careers are as much on the line as his. He has nothing else.

Agree. I'd love to see them drop the entire 22 and just bring in the back ups. They'd definitely put in more effort.

 

[JackOutback]

Melbourne is damaging the whole competition and that must be stopped, sooner rather than later. An uneven competition is jeopardising future TV rights deals.

I don't think Melbourne is damaging the brand any more than GWS or GC last year. Their uncompetitiveness is certainly not attractive, but I don't think it causes any real damage. And as footy has shown, it can be turned around pretty quickly.

 

[Unstable]

The AFL needs to step in and and offer stupid money to an experienced coach and whatever team he wanted to assemble. For example offer Paul Roos or Bomber Thompson $2m for the remainder of this year, $3m for next year, and a $1m completion bonus. Reserve another $1m per year for the rest of his coaching team. No good coach wants to coach Melbourne, and they need to be paid enough to compensate for the risk that they might never coach again.

Melbourne is damaging the whole competition and that must be stopped, sooner rather than later. An uneven competition is jeopardising future TV rights deals.

Melbourne can't afford that sort of money, but they could pay out Neeld and co because they wouldn't be paying for replacements.

Its drastic intervention, but at least its a plausible plan.

Just no,


This type of mentality or solution breeds mediocrity. If Melbourne cannot survive this downturn; its best to allow this club to die or merge.