Analysis The Matt Taberner effect

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  1. Nickos66

    Nickos66 Brownlow Medallist

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    Keep him.

    Our KPF depth is our biggest weakness and there's plenty more older and/or non-performing deadwood to go before him.

    Maaaaybe test the waters for trade value but I doubt there'd be any interest.
     

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  2. mike91

    mike91 Norm Smith Medallist

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    Keep him, don't see why we'd possibly get rid of a forward
     
  3. youmewe

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    #1403 youmewe, Jul 6, 2017
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    At season's end both FreoFC and Tabs need to make a decision on his future. The least likely possibility is delisting.

    AFL senior list player delistings (2012-16)

    Players delisted: 366.

    Aged 23-25: 122.

    Aged 23-25 and played 50+ games: 27 (12 were picked up by other clubs; 5 by Richmond).

    Aged 23-25, played 50+ games and 195+cms tall: 2.

    The two included Tippett who was by no means a genuine delisting. The who-ha surrounding the goings on between Adelaide and Sydney saw Tippett officially 'delisted'.

    That means only one player (Cameron Wood) fitting the Tabs profile (age 23-25, 50+ games, 195+ cms tall) has been delisted in the past 5 years. And that was 5 years ago. Wood was eventually picked up by Carlton after spending a year in the VFL with Williamstown*.

    Players fitting the Tabs profile are highly prized by the league (big guys with games experience and years in the AFL system). Delisting him would be a colossal waste. So what about trades? Glad you asked.

    AFL senior list player trades (2012-16)

    Players traded: 153.

    Aged 23-25: 57.

    Aged 23-25, played 50+ games and 195+cms tall: 10.


    The Tabs template ten

    Player // Trade involved // Nett player value (AFL Draft Value Index)

    1. Stef Martin // Martin for #52 and #71 // #50.

    2. Ben McEvoy // McEvoy and #24 and #59 for Savage and #18 and #19 // Savage and #18.

    3. Shaun Hampson // Hampson for #32 // #32.

    4. Jesse White // White for #44 // #44.

    5. Rhys Stanley // Stanley and #59 for #21 // #26.

    6. Liam Jones // Jones for #46 // #46.

    7. Jake Carlisle // Carlisle and #18 for #6 and #29 // #10.

    8. Ben Dixon // Dixon and #45 for #10 and #32 // #7.

    9. Lachie Hendserson // Henderson for #17 // #17.

    10. Zac Smith // Smith for #45 and #53 // #32.

    Whilst Tabs will never project to Dixon or Carlisle territory there are useful possibilities. To maximise them we need to play him. If he succeeds we keep him. If we don't play him he may want out any way.

    * Peter Faulks (yes that one) recently played his 100th game for Williamstown as the cornerstone of their defence. Assistant playing coach too.
     
  4. ydraw

    ydraw Premiership Player

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    It might not be up to us either. Wouldn't surprise me if he left of his own accord after the way he's been treated here.
     
  5. salim malik

    salim malik Brownlow Medallist

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    Yep, BF opinions have always influenced players on whether they go or stay. :rolleyes:
     
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  6. ydraw

    ydraw Premiership Player

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    #1406 ydraw, Jul 6, 2017
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    Obviously I don't mean how he's been treated by bigfooty. I mean how he's been treated by FFC.

    If I was Taberner I'd take a look at how Alex Silvagni has gone elsewhere and wonder if I might be better off back in Victoria under a different coach.
     
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  7. salim malik

    salim malik Brownlow Medallist

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    Nah man up , you said here in your post .Worming your way out when its in black and white is not a good look. And you calling anybody a loser is a massive pot kettle black moment.:)
     
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  8. ydraw

    ydraw Premiership Player

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    Only deleted it because I don't want to get infracted for your sake. Still feel the same way.
     
  9. Nickos66

    Nickos66 Brownlow Medallist

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    Teams actively in need of, and chasing tall forwards like Richmond, Collingwood are doubtful to even offer up a trade for him.

    He's in the same boat as Mason Shaw, Liam McBean. If he left he'd be lucky to go in the PSD.
     
  10. salim malik

    salim malik Brownlow Medallist

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    Why would I care if you copped an infraction . Leave it up, no one cares what you think anyway.;)
     
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  11. Kram

    Kram I'll brik u

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    Does anyone else get reminded a bit of Dan Parker when they see Taberner running around?
     
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  12. Kram

    Kram I'll brik u

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    I'd argue that at a lot of other teams there is every chance that he would have already been delisted.
     
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  13. salim malik

    salim malik Brownlow Medallist

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    Now that is below the belt:). Bricks will be a flyin':D
     
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  14. IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN

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    Silvagni did his job for us, but he was last in line behind Hamling, Pearce, Dawson, Collins.

    What do you want the club to do, bench Hamling, Pearce and Collins so he can get a game?

    Good on him for getting a game elsewhere, he simply wasn't able to do it for us going forward.
     
  15. IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN

    IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN Norm Smith Medallist

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    Weak

    As

    Piss.
     
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  16. stax on the mull

    stax on the mull Club Legend

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    a) keep him - a 5th pre-season. Eventually with the change over of lists he'll be physically stronger than most defenders.
     
  17. scon

    scon Brownlow Medallist

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    I think before Hodor arrived and ate the gym Tabs may have been our best bench press.
    He's a serious unit-power athlete.
     
  18. Righteo

    Righteo Purple Campaigner

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    Keep him because we have virtually nothing else. If we dump him then we'd just pick another project tall in his place, as much flak as he gets he's still better than 90% of rookie talls - most of whom are lucky to crack a couple of games in their tenure.
     
  19. meima

    meima Brownlow Medallist

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    Got a feeling he will be relegated back to rookie if other team don't want him .
     
  20. edward powlett

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    Ydraws love for Taberner knows no bounds.
     
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  21. ydraw

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    He's the only tall forward we have that's fit. What I love is playing a proper forward structure that includes 2 tall forwards. Cox is going well but needs help. If Apeness was fit I'd be backing him to get a game as well but he isn't.
     
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  22. FreoMonocle

    FreoMonocle Premium Gold

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    If we aint playing him, we still need him for depth. But for his sake, I hope he goes to a different team that doesn't flip flop like we have.

    Kersten in instead of Tabs ffs! Ross (and or the cobblers) get's a mindset for - or against some players and Tabs has been on the outer from day 1.
     
  23. Deathly

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    Imagine if he went to a team that had a MC with balls and no Hale. Oh god.
     
  24. Rob

    Rob Brownlow Medallist

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    Nah, can't see that. There's no point giving a player that has had every opportunity to perform and has not done so a spot on the rookie list. He's either a main list player or outta here.

    If Kersten is currently ahead of him on the pecking order then things look grim for his future. At Freo anyway.
     
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  25. meima

    meima Brownlow Medallist

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    I think there is other team enquiry about him ,nobody know apart from his player manager .
    There are team looking for depth players waiting for them to be delisted rather than go through trade .
     

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