Roast The Maxwell hate

[loki04]

Maybe we used the 'Mugabe' system for counting votes
Maxy is a great Collingwood captain & deserves the praise he receives.
However he is also unfairly maligned & an easy target for some frustrated supporters.
Just keep on doing what you do Maxy.
History will be on your side.

If it's so unfair he wouldn't be an easy target now would he...

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

If it's so unfair he wouldn't be an easy target now would he...

So you are saying that the 'unfair' & 'easy target' are mutually exclusive, well I beg to differ.
If the Pies lose or play badly, there are the 'usual suspects' mentioned in dispatches as reason for our defeat or poor play....Maxy is one who is often & sometimes unfairly singled out & thereby has become an easy target (amongst others).
That is all I am saying.

 

[PieNSauce]

I have no problem with Maxwell being captain and never have. I have an issue with him being considered an auto selection when either his form doesn't warrant selection or when even in form he isn't in our best 22 players. Both can be argued pretty strongly imo. People have made plenty of pretty good points concerning this and it's a bit cheap dismissing them as less mature people who can't get past the way he looks on a football field. He was excellent for us in 2009-11 particularly in the finals however I completely reject your statement that he has performed at a consistently high level for a long time. His form this season and last has been indifferent and his current game as a defender is very limited - he is neither a great defensive player nor a very damaging counter attacking player. If we were to list the players in terms of their value to our current defence he would be clearly last imo and with Toovey a certain starter next season it is stupid not to consider that he isn't best 22. Additionally I think you can make a pretty good argument to play Seedsman off half back at his expense or even Thomas if he makes it back by the end of the season. The point is these are all reasonable arguments that people have as to why he might not be in our best 22 that you have basically dismissed as immature.

fwiw I think in terms of his contract a one year deal was clearly the best decision, I'd expect him to give up the captaincy next season and to be in and out of the senior side depending on injuries, matchups etc. They might also try him in another position such as defensive forward since I think it's unlikely he's in our best defence.

Nobody is suggesting that every game Maxwell plays is top notch. Every player has ups and downs but my opinion of his value to the side this and last season happens to differ significantly from yours. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine and that's just the way it is. What's more, I haven't suggested for one minute that every criticism of Maxwell is unfounded or immature but the fact is that I've read so many idiotic statements over the last two years about his form when I have had to question whether the poster was actually watching the same game that I can only make the assumption that some have another agenda which has little if anything to do with reality or are too immature to recognise the value a player brings to the side.

 

[PieNSauce]

Your wrong it has everything to do with football ability, also the overrating of him drives those who don't think he is in the 22 to try 'prove the point' so even more focus goes onto his mistakes and then this turns to frustration when people are blind to it weekly.

lol. No I'm not. It's the underrating of him that drives those who dislike him to post nonsensical assessments of his value to the side in order to prop up their isolated opinions. As far as I'm concerned some of the stuff I've read here in the past two years is so far from reality it's laughable.

 

[loki04]

lol. No I'm not. It's the underrating of him that drives those who dislike him to post nonsensical assessments of his value to the side in order to prop up their isolated opinions. As far as I'm concerned some of the stuff I've read here in the past two years is so far from reality it's laughable.

lol. Yes you are, it has nothing to do with his looks.

You are delusional if you believe half the shit you do about Maxwell's performances over the last 2 or so years.

There is no underrating but there shore as shit is a hell of a lot of overrating of him from certain pie fans.

 

[loki04]

I have no problem with Maxwell being captain and never have. I have an issue with him being considered an auto selection when either his form doesn't warrant selection or when even in form he isn't in our best 22 players. Both can be argued pretty strongly imo. People have made plenty of pretty good points concerning this and it's a bit cheap dismissing them as less mature people who can't get past the way he looks on a football field. He was excellent for us in 2009-11 particularly in the finals however I completely reject your statement that he has performed at a consistently high level for a long time. His form this season and last has been indifferent and his current game as a defender is very limited - he is neither a great defensive player nor a very damaging counter attacking player. If we were to list the players in terms of their value to our current defence he would be clearly last imo and with Toovey a certain starter next season it is stupid not to consider that he isn't best 22. Additionally I think you can make a pretty good argument to play Seedsman off half back at his expense or even Thomas if he makes it back by the end of the season. The point is these are all reasonable arguments that people have as to why he might not be in our best 22 that you have basically dismissed as immature.

fwiw I think in terms of his contract a one year deal was clearly the best decision, I'd expect him to give up the captaincy next season and to be in and out of the senior side depending on injuries, matchups etc. They might also try him in another position such as defensive forward since I think it's unlikely he's in our best defence.

Great post, I even agree a 1 year "transition" extension was a good option but he should be dropped if his form doesn't stack up and due to this should hand the captaincy over.

 

[PieNSauce]

lol. Yes you are, it has nothing to do with his looks.

You are delusional if you believe half the shit you do about Maxwell's performances over the last 2 or so years.

There is no underrating but there shore as shit is a hell of a lot of overrating of him from certain pie fans.

That's your opinion and as I said you're entitled to it. I happen to think you're delusional if you think otherwise. There's precious little overrating IMO but there sure as hell is a lot of underrating going on from some pie fans!

In the end, clearly you won't change my opinion or that of a good number of others and I expect the reverse is also true. Probably better to agree to disagree I guess.

 

[OhhhhhCyril]

I have often wondered if he wasn't your captain would he even get a game? Only from what I have seen on field, is he in your best 22?

I guess there are different reasons for choosing a captain, could be more off field and leadership qualities than on field.

I remember a hawthorn captain who had some of the worst foot skills going around, and the only reason they gave him the captain was because he was tough and liked to punch people. I hated it. I dont wish to talk names..
Is he a frustrating play to watch sometimes??

 

[Maggie5]

Hate is too strong a word, doubt that anyone on this forum "hates" any player (coach perhaps). There have been times however when he hasn't played to expectations. For example last week his opponent took him out of the backline and there was no-one there to help Brown out. This time it worked out okay but other times not. Don't really think that he receives more criticism than other players maybe it seems that way as he is the captain. Also I doubt that anyone does not acknowledge what he has given and is giving to the club.

I first saw him play at Optus Oval against Port in a pre-season practice match and thought then that he would be a good player, he also had a bit more mongrel in him that day, he seems to have curbed that nowadays.

 

[PieNSauce]

I have often wondered if he wasn't your captain would he even get a game? Only from what I have seen on field, is he in your best 22?

I guess there are different reasons for choosing a captain, could be more off field and leadership qualities than on field.

I remember a hawthorn captain who had some of the worst foot skills going around, and the only reason they gave him the captain was because he was tough and liked to punch people. I hated it. I dont wish to talk names..
Is he a frustrating play to watch sometimes??

There's certainly a group on this forum who don't believe that Maxwell earns his spot but as for whether or not he would be in the side if he were not captain, I believe it's a moot point. The reality is that his leadership skills both on and off the field are an intrinsic part of what he brings to the team and there are precious few who could realistically argue that he is not a good leader. I personally love the fact that opposition supporters don't respect him because to me that just adds to his appeal and there's no way on gods earth he embarrasses me one little bit. As far as I'm concerned he's probably the best captain we've had since Tony Shaw. (...and yes that does mean I didn't rate Buckley's leadership qualities as highly back then as distinct of course from his pure football skills!)

 

[forwardflanker]

Maxwell's effectiveness as a footballer is closely related to how well we are implementing our forward press. In an inefficient press the opposition gets more uncontested ball through cleanly which isolates our forwards 1v1 usually with acres of free space to work into. Most agree Maxwell is an average 1v1 player, his strength as a player lies in zoning off his opponent and reading the play/ playing third man up. It's therefore not much of a surprise that his best form was in 2009-11 where the ball coming into our defence was pressured and ineffective whereas the last two seasons he has been very vulnerable because our press in many games hasn't been effective. Reid at chb has suffered similarly as a result although he at least as a reasonably strong 1v1 defensive game to fall back on.

Perhaps the best move Buckley has made this season has been to remodel our defence in way that copes better in the event that the ball moves through the press cleanly. That is, in bringing in Sinclair and Williams, we now have two predominantly defensive minded small players in our back 6 who can cope with sides on the spread when they get through the press which is something that's been a major issue the last two seasons. From this perspective last weeks game was awesome - we were well beaten at both ends of the ground in terms of tall players but our smalls, especially in the backline, owned the ball when it hit the deck. The same happened against the bombers.

Leaving leadership qualities aside, my issue with Maxwell is this. As it stands we have a really solid 1v1 defence - Keefe, Brown, Shaw, Sinclair and Williams are all good defensive minded players. The remaining spots that run through the defence should be reserved for players who are more effective attacking players. His spot, imo, would be more effectively used by a more effective attacking player such as Sidebottom, Seedsman, Thomas or Young assuming full fitness. These issues are going to be more apparent next season when Toovey regains fitness and allowing for the natural improvement of some our younger players.

It's an nice coincidence that the side we're coming up against tonight has in recent times destroyed our defence largely based on the reasons I've mentioned above. It will be a good test to see how far we've improved this season when our small/ medium defenders go up against their smalls in space .The Hawks are the benchmark when it comes to scoring when the ball gets over the back/ is in space

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

Another captains game from Maxy tonight. We sure are lucky to have him holding the back line together. You guys have really got a point.

 

[PieNSauce]

Another captains game from Maxy tonight. We sure are lucky to have him holding the back line together. You guys have really got a point.

Absolutely. Would have been in our best players for sure. Love to hear the haters put him down after that performance and damned sure they will.

 

[MeisterBot]

He played really well, Maxwell. Best game of the season. I mean if we're looking at liabilities in defence, Shaw really put his hand up tonight.

Shame he doesn't play like this every week, but I don't think you could fault him at all for this week's loss.

 

[half_back_flank]

He played really well, Maxwell. Best game of the season.

Shame he doesn't play like this every week, but I don't think you could fault him at all for this week's loss. And Bring_Back_Brad, weren't you the guy saying that Maxwell should be dropped earlier in the week? toplel.

He was being sarcastic.

Dragged deep and was certainly not disgraced and far from our worst. His second half was very good, won numerous contests in the D50.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

He was being sarcastic..

Who me?

 

[half_back_flank]

Who me?

Considering you had him as an out for this game yeah, you.

He was very good tonight.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

Considering you had him as an out for this game yeah, you.

He was very good tonight.

I've got him down as a delist actually.
He played an average game tonight. Ok, average, not terrible. good is a stretch, very good is delusional.

 

[Macca_]

Maxwell is past it.

 

[half_back_flank]

I've got him down as a delist actually.
He played an average game tonight. Ok, average, not terrible. good is a stretch, very good is delusional.

Last half he won numerous one on ones inside 50. Close to our best half a dozen players, given he's a 15-22 on football ability I'd class that as a very good game.

Did lol at The Finger liking posts, how is 3-16 going?

 

[THATSGOLD]

Maxwell is past it.

Agreed. Thought he was labouring tonight. Went to ground alot, looked slow when manning up. Looked stuffed. Slow. No where near his out put of 3 years ago.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Another captains game from Maxy tonight. We sure are lucky to have him holding the back line together. You guys have really got a point.

You can't be serious. He had Lewis at one point he couldn't keep up with him and told Harry to do it and went to the next nearest guy who also ran off and then went to someone else who also got off the leash. This one passage of play.
Never seen a bloke fall over so much than I did tonight.
He doesn't do create any play down back anymore when we have the ball in hand too.
He's so far past the game now it's embarrassing to watch him for 5 minutes strolling around.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Last half he won numerous one on ones inside 50. Close to our best half a dozen players, given he's a 15-22 on football ability I'd class that as a very good game.

Did lol at The Finger liking posts, how is 3-16 going?

He fell over 4-5 times. Didn't win many one on ones. He forced the ball away from a defender at times. Thats it. Thats where he is at now. Hes lost the attacking side to his game and when he does have space he just bombs long in hope. Go to a game and watch how he labours around for most of the quarter. Hes become a liability now.

 

[THATSGOLD]

He played really well, Maxwell. Best game of the season. I mean if we're looking at liabilities in defence, Shaw really put his hand up tonight.

Shame he doesn't play like this every week, but I don't think you could fault him at all for this week's loss.

You couldnt have been at the game. Absolutely no way in hell did he have an affect on the game. Shaw had Buddy AND was stiff to get a few frees paid against him, Maxwell had Lewis who ran off him all night.

 

[Watsclarkosmob]

Did really well tonight, haven't seen much of him this year and I'm not the biggest fan of him but he reminds me of (this is not meant as an offence in any way as I don't know how the common Collingwood supporter views Richie) Richie Vandenberg. Saying he isn't any elite maybe true, but he punches above his weight and gets the result for the team more times than not.