Roast The media....*Shakes Head* Part 4

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Lists by positions: defenders, part two


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Sam Russell: The rookie has had an interrupted pre-season due to injury after arriving from Carlton, but Russell's running ability should hold him in good stead if he performs for the Magpies in the SANFL.

Lists by positions: defenders, part two

Written by the obsequious "staff writers"

I always figured facts were an important part of journalism ... silly me ... :rolleyes:
staff writers = unpaid interns who work at subway to pay rent, padding out their resumes.

Edit - in fairness, it looks like they're going through every player on every list. Bound to be a few stuffups. It's pretty much filler stuff at the start of February.
 

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.... he (Troy Chaplin) probably had his worst game for the season, in a final ....
So often when teams get pantsed, as Richmond did late in that game, defenders cop unfair criticism. My default answer is when the ball is coming back over your head every 10 secs there's not much you can do. Chappy copped similar unfair criticism for many of our awful games in 2011/12 (I don't remember him being a whipping boy before that). Yes he had some bad moments but he should have been a significant loss for us, he was a leader. The fact our defence has hardly missed a beat since he went is remarkable luck.
 

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don't need another Chaplin thread but his best games for us were always as a defender first, other stuff second. As long as Richmond stick to that which they appear to he will be fine for them. That we tried to turn him into a 5 foot 10 rebounder was our problem.
 
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So often when teams get pantsed, as Richmond did late in that game, defenders cop unfair criticism. My default answer is when the ball is coming back over your head every 10 secs there's not much you can do. Chappy copped similar unfair criticism for many of our awful games in 2011/12 (I don't remember him being a whipping boy before that). Yes he had some bad moments but he should have been a significant loss for us, he was a leader. The fact our defence has hardly missed a beat since he went is remarkable luck.
I don't think it was luck and I don't think he was a particularly good leader. I do think he's a great fit at Richmond though.
 

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You can think Chaplin will let Richmond down and still acknowledge that he had a good season with Richmond. Troy's problem was never that he couldn't play when things were going right. It's that he went to water when things were going wrong and started pointing the finger and everyone else other than himself for mistakes that he had a hand in.

There are certain players who will only ever be B-grade when it comes to being able to cope with adversity - the players that do a job, but can't be expected to pull the team out the fire when the chips are down. Chaplin is decidedly B-grade in that respect.
 

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It would have been interesting to see if Hinkley and co. could have improved Chaplin. I think he would have improved but probably not enough. Something went badly wrong with chaplin. I was confident that after his progress in 2006 and 2007 he could push for AA standard but he went nowhere over 4 or 5 years.
 

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It would have been interesting to see if Hinkley and co. could have improved Chaplin. I think he would have improved but probably not enough. Something went badly wrong with chaplin. I was confident that after his progress in 2006 and 2007 he could push for AA standard but he went nowhere over 4 or 5 years.
Paraphrasing some of Chaplin's comments since he left us he was honest enough to say he did not see a future for us and he was given at least one choice (Richmond obviously) where he did have some chance of success. Quite realistic really, no-one could have seen the difference between 2012 and 2013. Like you I would have liked to have seen a Hinkley-coached Chaplin. But clearly he had lost motivation with us, and yes his game dropped off accordingly.
He was the opposite side of the spectrum to the romantic story of Boak who miraculously turned down Geelong, a team certain to be at least very competitive. So if the footy gods said we had to lose a couple of players I'm happy they took Chappy and Pearce, both of whom (with due respect) we have hardly missed.

Edit: Missed the word 'have' initially
 
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Paraphrasing some of Chaplin's comments since he left us he was honest enough to say he did not see a future for us and he was given at least one choice (Richmond obviously) where he did some chance of success. Quite realistic really, no-one could have seen the difference between 2012 and 2013. Like you I would have liked to have seen a Hinkley-coached Chaplin. But clearly he had lost motivation with us, and yes his game dropped off accordingly.
He was the opposite side of the spectrum to the romantic story of Boak who miraculously turned down Geelong, a team certain to be at least very competitive. So if the footy gods said we had to lose a couple of players I'm happy they took Chappy and Pearce, both of whom (with due respect) we have hardly missed.
This is the umpteenth time you've posted this, and it's simply not true. Chaplin didn't see a future for us because he was a ******* cancer and one of the main problems. Players who were younger than him, who were looking to him for support and direction, were berated instead of encouraged. It's no surprise that the club flourished as soon as he was gone, because he wasn't willing to change - had to go somewhere else to do that.

The people who could have seen the difference between 2012 and 2013 were the players who made a resolution and had the drive to become better players - of which he could have been one. Chaplin wasn't one of the people who bought in, because he was honest enough to say that he was a perennial loser who doesn't have the stones to do what it takes to win a flag. The fact that we had more success the year after he left, while he goes to a culture of party boys and bad associates (King, Martin), in the pursuit of 'success' says a lot about his character. I wish him no success at all, and I hope he cries like Nick Stevens* when we our next flag.

*May not have happened, but I like to think it did.
 

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That no-one could have seen the difference between 2012 and 2013? And that aggravates you?
Doesn't aggravate me. I'm just saying it's not true. Outsiders couldn't have seen the difference, and that's fair enough. But Chaplin wasn't an outsider...and the guys internally in the club, like Thomas and the players that chose to stick by us weren't either. They could see there would be a change - it was the reason that Boak stayed in the first place.

The way you're presenting it, it's like you think that we performed some sort of miracle last year, when it wasn't miraculous - it was based on hard work and commitment. I'm sure that once the guys put in the required effort, they knew they would see results.
 

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It would have been interesting to see if Hinkley and co. could have improved Chaplin. I think he would have improved but probably not enough. Something went badly wrong with chaplin. I was confident that after his progress in 2006 and 2007 he could push for AA standard but he went nowhere over 4 or 5 years.
I don't think he would have had the 'never give up' trait in him that Hinkley would have looked for
 
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I would have thought our 2013 season would have made an honourable mention on the bolter's list.

Good chance of bolter making the leap
Coming to the four

In the 14 years since the AFL introduced the current finals system in 2000, 11 teams that missed the eight one year made the top four the next.

2013
An "off year" for the trend, although Fremantle gets a sharp rise by adapting quickly to Ross Lyon's demanding game style, launching from seventh in 2012 to a grand final.

2012
Adelaide
14th to 2nd (Preliminary final)

New coach Brenton Sanderson and an invigorated game plan brings total buy-in and key players - such as Brent Reilly, Daniel Talia and Sam Jacobs - come from nowhere.

2011
West Coast
16th in 2010 to 4th (Preliminary final)

John Worsfold's frantic forward pressure underpins the resurgence of a talented list and the "House of Pain" is a fortress again.

2010
No bolter emerges, but Fremantle (14th to 6th) and Sydney (12th to 5th) make big runs to finish just a game out of the top four.
Good chance of bolter making the leap
 

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Yeah, you'd think 14th to 7th/8th would have been worth a shoutout, particularly with how bad we were...but I don't think you could call it bolting. Now if we had beaten the Bulldogs in Darwin...
 

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But they also quote both Carlton and Essendon. Either with or without the asterisk one of them were top 8.
We don't need any asterisk because we finished in the top 8 and won a final to finish 5th. We aren't going to be the bolter we are going to be hunted next year.
 

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If you look at the article, they don't take into account finals. It's just home and away form.
All good but it's been quietly annoying me hearing talk of us finishing 7th/8th, similar to how it was constantly reported we'd finished bottom 4 in 2012 despite finishing 14th. Fastidious sure, but credit where credit's due, we beat Collingwood in an Elimination Final at the MCG!
 
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