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Mate, not having a go at you in particular. Its more about the way a crap article is written to get a reaction, its hinted at here in a thread and it spreads. Its how these scumsuckers work.
But what's your issue with someone reading an article from a journalist* that from the sounds of it writes propaganda against something you like. I like to have a laugh at the muppets as well but I don't take it personally they have a job being one.
I am always slamming the crows, making up stuff about them (did you know that the birthrate in 97/98 was lower than normal and this was caused by the lack of real men having sex as a result of their teams GF win), generally being a degenerate towards them at work and have a laugh.
No job for Jello?

*not sure if he/she is a journalist or does scribbles.
 

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Rucci's article in this morning's 'tiser is one of those that only Rucci could write. Rooch is actually making Sydney out to be the victims in the on going COLA dispute.

I believe that the vast majority of AFL fans would not see Sydney as the victim and would support the abolition of the 10% Salary Cap increase for cost of living. Speaking to a few Sydney ex pats they do not believe it is any dearer to live in Sydney but what is more expensive is the cost of purchasing property. Once you are set it is no dearer to live in Sydney than in any other city and I must say that on my last trip to Sydney daily costs did not seem any higher than in Adelaide. I reckon if you compared state taxes such as car reg, stamp duty, power bills you might find the cost of living in Sydney is actually cheaper than it is in some State capitals. If that is the case why not give Sydney a separate property allowance that has to be shown to have been used on property purchases for players and not on across the board salary as is happening with Franklin and Tippett ?

I do not see a solution as rocket science but then again changing a light bulb at AFL House sometimes takes on rocket science proportion. I guess they have trouble figuring out how to rotate the building in order to get the bulb out of the Edison Screw fitting.
 

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Speaking to a few Sydney ex pats they do not believe it is any dearer to live in Sydney but what is more expensive is the cost of purchasing property. Once you are set it is no dearer to live in Sydney than in any other city and I must say that on my last trip to Sydney daily costs did not seem any higher than in Adelaide...
Can only speak for myself but lived in Sin City over ten years and, apart from the ridiculous rent, found it pretty reasonable. I lived mainly in Darlo and Newtown where there was a-lot of competition for your dollar. Didn't need a car so I didn't have those expenses.

Certain things were much cheaper than Adelaide... like eating out!

Dunno maybe the Swans players only eat at Rockpool or Tetsuya's and s#it...
 

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Can only speak for myself but lived in Sin City over ten years and, apart from the ridiculous rent, found it pretty reasonable. I lived mainly in Darlo and Newtown where there was a-lot of competition for your dollar. Didn't need a car so I didn't have those expenses.

Certain things were much cheaper than Adelaide... like eating out!

Dunno maybe the Swans players only eat at Rockpool or Tetsuya's and s#it...
I have lived in Melbourne, Sydney, and now Brisbane, in the last six years. IMO Brisbane has been the most expensive for Rego, Insurance, rates, gas/elec, etc ... but Sydney real estate obviously more expensive. The issue is IMO that Sydney has misused the COLA. Without being privy to all the figures, I would hazard a guess that the general Swans player is being payed the same as they might be in a Vic/SA/WA team. Sydney then accumulate the extra allowance to "buy" in the stars!

Its also designed to help keep players in a non-AFL city. Reality is that GWS/Bris/GC, needs this more, because the Swans are a great destination for a player, with their success & great culture, whereas the others have struggled to hold onto good players, and forge a sustainable culture.

Despite this, the AFL have totally stuffed up in their handling of the matter!
 

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I honestly don't get all that enraged about COLA. It gives Eddie the shits, so it cant be all bad, but it obviously an absolute joke just to give them more space in their cap, something which Sydney no longer needs.

The real estate thing is such a furphy too. yes it is more expensive to get in, but once you're in the capital growth is bigger = profit. An 20 year old doesn't need to be (or shouldn't be) buying a $2 million pad in Bondi any rate. I remember reading somewhere that Travis Boak up until a year or 2 ago was living in a place that he bought in Woodville West. WOODVILLE WEST, it's not even in the nice part of Woodville. It's not like he bought a place in Tennyson with a court, pool and sea views for his 21st birthday. Everything is relative.
 

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Can only speak for myself but lived in Sin City over ten years and, apart from the ridiculous rent, found it pretty reasonable. I lived mainly in Darlo and Newtown where there was a-lot of competition for your dollar. Didn't need a car so I didn't have those expenses.

Certain things were much cheaper than Adelaide... like eating out!

Dunno maybe the Swans players only eat at Rockpool or Tetsuya's and s#it...
yep and yep (apart from tourist/business traps in the SYD/MEL CBD).

the lack of reasonable corkage in Adelaide restaurants is really annoying. SYD/MEL have always encouraged BYO... goes back to historical differences in the evolution of liquor licensing laws in each state.
 

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The average salary of an AFL player is $265,000, next year it will hit $300,000. Are we expected to believe that AFL players can't live in extreme comfort in any Australian city, when the typical Australian worker barely pulls in $50,000 a year?

There's no justification in this day and age for extra allowances and special exceptions for Sydney or any club regarding the salary cap. Players are paid far more then the average Australian, they shouldn't have any problem finding a nice place to live, buying a nice car, paying their bills, grocery shopping, wearing their favorite designer clothes, getting the latest out there feminine hair styles complete with shitty looking tattoos and eating out and whatever other social activities they wish to engage in in their spare time.
 

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Rucci's article in this morning's 'tiser is one of those that only Rucci could write. Rooch is actually making Sydney out to be the victims in the on going COLA dispute.

I believe that the vast majority of AFL fans would not see Sydney as the victim and would support the abolition of the 10% Salary Cap increase for cost of living. Speaking to a few Sydney ex pats they do not believe it is any dearer to live in Sydney but what is more expensive is the cost of purchasing property. Once you are set it is no dearer to live in Sydney than in any other city and I must say that on my last trip to Sydney daily costs did not seem any higher than in Adelaide. I reckon if you compared state taxes such as car reg, stamp duty, power bills you might find the cost of living in Sydney is actually cheaper than it is in some State capitals. If that is the case why not give Sydney a separate property allowance that has to be shown to have been used on property purchases for players and not on across the board salary as is happening with Franklin and Tippett ?

I do not see a solution as rocket science but then again changing a light bulb at AFL House sometimes takes on rocket science proportion. I guess they have trouble figuring out how to rotate the building in order to get the bulb out of the Edison Screw fitting.
The AFL gave Sydney an unfair advantage over the rest of the competition. Sydney exploited it. The AFL then ban Sydney from doing what they're entitled to do, for making use of a rule that was given to them.

It's entirely on the AFL, not Sydney.
 
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I honestly don't get all that enraged about COLA...
Me, neither! I mean, Sydney would've been stupid NOT to take full advantage. Positively unOstrayan not to rort the system.

Having said that, I'm not enraged it's come back to bite them on the arse, either.

Swans can - as they say in the classics - "suck eggs!"
 

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The AFL gave Sydney an unfair advantage over the rest of the competition. Sydney exploited it. The AFL then ban Sydney from doing what they're entitled to do, for making use of a rule that they were given to them.

It's entirely on the AFL, not Sydney.
The AFL gave Sydney an advantage when it was needed.
Just like most things they do it was done in a simplistic way and didn't even have a review built into the agreement.

Now they will implement another simplistic methodology to kill it off and sooner or later Sydney and GWS will face the same issues Sydney had years back.

Then we start again.
 

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The average salary of an AFL player is $265,000, next year it will hit $300,000. Are we expected to believe that AFL players can't live in extreme comfort in any Australian city, when the typical Australian worker barely pulls in $50,000 a year?

There's no justification in this day and age for extra allowances and special exceptions for Sydney or any club regarding the salary cap. Players are paid far more then the average Australian, they shouldn't have any problem finding a nice place to live, buying a nice car, paying their bills, grocery shopping, wearing their favorite designer clothes, getting the latest out there feminine hair styles complete with shitty looking tattoos and eating out and whatever other social activities they wish to engage in in their spare time.
I suspect if someone graphed AFL players' average wages against inflation and against relative cost of living indexes in SYD it would bear out your argument nowadays.

That said some temporary extra allowance for expansion clubs in non-AFL territory while they 'establish' is a totally different case to continuing to feed Brisbane after '04 or Sydney after '05. If COLA had worked as intended, Franklin would be at GWS and 1-2 of their 4 KPF-kids would be headed elsewhere about now.
 

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The AFL gave Sydney an advantage when it was needed.
Just like most things they do it was done in a simplistic way and didn't even have a review built into the agreement.

Now they will implement another simplistic methodology to kill it off and sooner or later Sydney and GWS will face the same issues Sydney had years back.

Then we start again.
Port has players who don't want to leave and players who are desperate to get here.
This is Adelaide South Australia. The place stinks, the economy is teetering on the brink, very little meaningful is being done to fix it, the place has one of the worst reputations of any Australian city.

Yet Sydney with all it's glitz and glamour and high-life style isn't an attractive place for AFL players who are paid hundreds of thousands annually?


Give me a break.

Pay me half of what the average player makes and I wouldn't even bother packing my stuff and sending it over.
 

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I suspect if someone graphed AFL players' average wages against inflation and against relative cost of living indexes in SYD it would bear out your argument nowadays.

That said some temporary extra allowance for expansion clubs in non-AFL territory while they 'establish' is a totally different case to continuing to feed Brisbane after '04 or Sydney after '05. If COLA had worked as intended, Franklin would be at GWS and 1-2 of their 4 KPF-kids would be headed elsewhere about now.
I'm all for the AFL helping the expansion franchises to establish them selves.
Brisbane seems to be a basket case from the outside these days.

If these clubs fail to use the extras the AFL gives them to build a proper club culture and set them selves up, but instead use it to attract big name players and coaches for short term success, then you have to question either their continued existence or the very least the people running those clubs.
 

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You obviously weren't around or do not remember what Sydney went through and why COLA came into being. At the end of the day cost of living allowance is just good name and the AFL has become the biggest sport in the country thanks to the exposure it has. Sydney has played a big role in gaining that exposure, bigger than any SA or WA sides.
 

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The AFL gave Sydney an unfair advantage over the rest of the competition. Sydney exploited it. The AFL then ban Sydney from doing what they're entitled to do, for making use of a rule that was given to them.

It's entirely on the AFL, not Sydney.
No one is blaming Sydney but the AFL make the rules and they are entitled to give, to take and modify the conditions.

I agree though the AFL, as usual, could have handled things better by removing the COLA altogether or as I suggested tying the COLA directly to property purchase. If it costs more to purchase property in Sydney then fair enough give an allowance. Sydney are not victims though, they have exploited the situation thanks to a loophole which the AFL needs to close.
 

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The AFL gave Sydney an unfair advantage over the rest of the competition. Sydney exploited it. The AFL then ban Sydney from doing what they're entitled to do, for making use of a rule that was given to them.

It's entirely on the AFL, not Sydney.
Keep reading after you read the headline. Sydney aren't banned from bringing in players. They can bring in players, but if they do then they lose their unfair advantage. Nothing unfair about that IMO. Sydney are more than welcome to start trading if they want, it just means that if they want to start trading then they'll finally be playing by the same rules as everybody else.
 

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Keep reading after you read the headline. Sydney aren't banned from bringing in players. They can bring in players, but if they do then they lose their unfair advantage. Nothing unfair about that IMO. Sydney are more than welcome to start trading if they want, it just means that if they want to start trading then they'll finally be playing by the same rules as everybody else.
I pretty much agree with you anyway. I'm not a supporter of COLA and I would like the AFL to take it away. It's just that I don't want them to take it away by barring a team from doing what they are entitled to do. They should just do it.
 

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You obviously weren't around or do not remember what Sydney went through and why COLA came into being. At the end of the day cost of living allowance is just good name and the AFL has become the biggest sport in the country thanks to the exposure it has. Sydney has played a big role in gaining that exposure, bigger than any SA or WA sides.
The talk is if why it should be wound back, now that it's commercial purpose has been achieved - for Sydney. I see no merit in retaining COLA - for Sydney - as a reward for past trailblazing.

GWS & GC, different list rules, genuine startup clubs, etc, etc.

Brisbane should have been *slowly* weaned off COLA post '04. If Vossy hadn't kept drinking the COLA he may not have become Crazy Vossy and Brisbane may have gone into a protracted but honorable slow decline and rebuild like Geelong rather than off the cliff. I think that explains his defence of Sydney this week.




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Retaining no, at least not for players earning more than a predetermined figure or a sliding scale, however it has to be a proper and planned phasing out. It also needs to be reviewed periodically for a predetermined period.

Done hastily as a knee-jerk reaction to please Eddie? No.

Eddie also wants to remove academies for the non football states as Vic clubs get no benefits from them. Will he also agree to remove the FS rule as non Vic clubs also get fewer benefits out of it if any? Doubt it.
 

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Retaining no, at least not for players earning more than a predetermined figure or a sliding scale, however it has to be a proper and planned phasing out. It also needs to be reviewed periodically for a predetermined period.

Done hastily as a knee-jerk reaction to please Eddie? No.

Eddie also wants to remove academies for the non football states as Vic clubs get no benefits from them. Will he also agree to remove the FS rule as non Vic clubs also get fewer benefits out of it if any? Doubt it.
Yeah agree 100% none of it should to have anything to do with Eddie! The next logical COLA review maybe when the two expansion clubs have the same list as everyone else and on a club by club basis and using smarter and less 'gameable' rules as you suggest.

I agree with the academies, I'm assuming they're AFL funded but club operated. The expansion clubs get a first look now and again but they mostly don't have the same F/S populations as you point out so there's a little equalisation side effect of their primary purpose, game development. IMO the point of them is to build that long term pool of local talent and expertise to develop the game in NSW/QLD for the next generation.
 

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You obviously weren't around or do not remember what Sydney went through and why COLA came into being. At the end of the day cost of living allowance is just good name and the AFL has become the biggest sport in the country thanks to the exposure it has. Sydney has played a big role in gaining that exposure, bigger than any SA or WA sides.
I'm not talking about when COLA was brought in. I'm talking about the present.

If you think Sydney still need COLA, let's hear your argument. Leave out the past and stick to the present though.


In the last 14 years, Sydney has missed out on making the top 8 only 3 times.
Played in four grand finals, 2 time premiers.
Memberships have been increasing steadily over the last 4 years for them, the last two seasons they've had record members.

If after all these years they haven't built up a club culture, and can't develop young players like other clubs(such as Port), then there's something wrong over there. Who were Wines, Wingard, Hartlett, Gray, Boak, etc before coming to Port, and developing into the exciting stars they are today?
You can't just keep buying your way to success. This isn't the EPL. And god help our code if it ever turns into that.
 

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Who has said Sydney needs cola. The lower paid players may but certainly not the ones on above average wages.
What I and others have said is no more Eddie driven knee-jerk reactions. The AFL needs to think it through and do it properly including regular reviews otherwise we may go back to square one.

Question for you. Why does Eddie want to get rid of cola AND the academies?
 

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Who has said Sydney needs cola. The lower paid players may but certainly not the ones on above average wages.
What I and others have said is no more Eddie driven knee-jerk reactions. The AFL needs to think it through and do it properly including regular reviews otherwise we may go back to square one.

Question for you. Why does Eddie want to get rid of cola AND the academies?
because he is doing what is best for collingwood and doesn't want Sydney to eventually become a more valuable franchise than the Magpies.

by conflating the cola (which most agree is past it's time, certainly for Sydney) with the academies (very good idea) he hopes the afl trip up and get rid of both at once.

I don't think the afl are that stupid. It would be like saying we have a permanent presence in sydney and Brisbane and we're spending millions of dollars to establish new franchises as well but we're not intending to grow the game to become the dominant code in every Australian state say in 30 years.
 
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