No Oppo Supporters The Melt Thread

[tonygeeks]

Apart from obvious stuff like loosing big finals , derbies and gun players for the year , getting belted the week before the bye has to be up there on the pain / frustration / disappointment scale



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[gaskin]

Apart from obvious stuff like loosing big finals , derbies and gun players for the year , getting belted the week before the bye has to be up there on the pain / frustration / disappointment scale

I'm sure it does for the players. For me as a fan I'm pretty meh about it. I know we are in a rebuild and I didn't see the game so I didn't have to sit through the frustration and disappointment.

 

[tonygeeks]

I'm sure it does for the players. For me as a fan I'm pretty meh about it. I know we are in a rebuild and I didn't see the game so I didn't have to sit through the frustration and disappointment.

Lucky for you , reminds me of when I had welding flash as a younger man


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[Schauermann]

Richmond lost. We could have gone into the bye inside the top 4...

 

[Dormammu]

Richmond lost. We could have gone into the bye inside the top 4...

True. But a better reflection of where things are can be seen from the half time score line between Port & Lions. Insanely even comp.

 

[meima]

Richmond lost. We could have gone into the bye inside the top 4...

Just show how bad freo play Vs Brisbane, of all the team Brisbane is the only side that can't last the distance .

 

[Tonga Bob]

Barry Hall is inducted into the Australian Football Hall Of Fame before Bernie Naylor. I am fu€ken livid


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[Hazelsnuts]

Barry Hall is inducted into the Australian Football Hall Of Fame before Bernie Naylor. I am fu€ken livid


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Also some fella from Collingwood who not many have heard - Victorian centric biased crap .....ken BS Bob.
Bernie Naylor would've even made that Coventry bloke look average.

 

[ydraw]

And before Wayne Carey

 

[Purple Jesus]

We have one Hall of Famer, and only because he played for North Melbourne.

lols.

 

[Kram]

Clive robbed again.

 

[freo84]

Keplar robbed again as well....

 

[gaskin]

Keplar robbed again as well....

Not been retired long enough. He'll make it though as soon as he is eligible.

 

[scon]

Barry Hall is inducted into the Australian Football Hall Of Fame before Bernie Naylor. I am fu€ken livid


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Still VFL.
Myopic Flogs!

 

[Tonga Bob]

I've slept on it, and I still feel livid. So I did a rant.

This is my rant. People can debate or criticise what follows, I probably won't contribute. I just need to get it out of my system.

[takes deep breath]

The fact that Barry Hall is inducted into the Hall of Fame and Bernie Naylor is not is an indictment of the Hall of Fame's selection criteria, and of the Hall of Fame itself. Here's some stats comparing the careers of Hall, Naylor & Ron Todd (the latter for purely comparative purposes); two of which were inducted last night:

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Some comments on the categories:

• League games - Hall played more seasons (16) than Todd (12) & Naylor (10). Factors include:
  • World War II - Todd enlisted in the RAAF while the VFA was suspended & was ineligible to rejoin Collingwood due to VFL/VFA transfer, Naylor enlisted in the AIF & was posted in Darwin/New Britain,
  • Money - Naylor retired to focus on full time work in order to support his family at the age of 31 (he kicked 133 goals in his final season);
• State Games - there were more State games in Todd/Naylor's era than Hall's;
• Australian games - International Rules was established in Hall's era;
• All Australian selection - different criteria for selection (based on State games vs committee selection).

So the balance of the objective criteria is in Naylor's favour. There's also subjective criteria as described here: "Without limiting clause 5.1, the Committee may consider a candidate's individual record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character." I won't speculate on ability apart from saying that the the goals per game & goals per season ratios speak to it. Regarding integrity, sportsmanship & character, I don't know any of the three people personally (I did speak with Barry Hall once on the way to a Freo game at the MCG and he was nice enough to chat about the upcoming game for a couple of minutes) so I can't tell you whether they are good people or not. You can read their online biographies and make your own judgement.

Further eligibility criteria provides one reason I can find that gives Hall an advantage over Naylor:

The Hall of Fame committee can select and enshrine up to six Hall of Fame members each year. Of those, at least two must have retired within 10 years of each induction ceremony. There must be at least one inductee selected from the category of administrator/umpire/media every two years. - (http://www.afl.com.au/news/event-news/hall-of-fame/about)

The other potential reason I can think of is the makeup of the Committee. It states that "At least 25 per cent of the selection committee to reside outside of Victoria". That would be Dennis Cometti (living in WA, which had zero inductees in 2017), Michelangelo Rucci & Bruce McAvaney (living in SA, which had two inductees & 1 legend elevation), as well as Mike Fitzpatrick who is from WA originally but has lived in Melbourne for years now. So 60% of the committee are from Victoria, 70% live there. 4 of the 6 inductees (or 67%) are Victorian. Not saying there's a conscious bias, but it is a potential reason. The committee's knowledge base of the history of Australian football is stronger in what they know most, or recall more fondly. That is what they have seen in the flesh, and that has been in Victoria.

Let me make this clear: I'm not begrudging the induction of Barry Hall (or Ron Todd for that matter) into the Australian Football Hall of Fame. What I'm calling out is that despite the objective comparison of the football careers of Barry Hall and Bernie Naylor being more favourable to Naylor (and arguably the subjective ones as well), Barry Hall has been inducted before Bernie Naylor because of the Australian Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee's biases towards recently retired players of Victorian origin.

That is not how we should be recognising the history of the game nor the players that excelled in playing it. That, in my opinion, is wrong and is crying out for change.

Rant over.

 

[ydraw]

Related:

http://insidesauce.com/anthony-mcdonald-tipungwuti-inducted-into-afl-hall-of-fame/

 

[StingBitten]

I've slept on it, and I still feel livid. So I did a rant.

I'll never get over how pissweak the Eagles were after he decked Staker.

Adam Hunter runs over and tackles himself, Beau Waters was the only one to give him a rib and he stopped as soon as Hall grabbed him by the throat.

Grey and Ballantyne would have been made a foot shorter by Hall but they would have unflecked every arrow in their quiver before the Giant Cave Troll ate them both.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

I'll never get over how pissweak the Eagles were after he decked Staker.

Adam Hunter runs over and tackles himself, Beau Waters was the only one to give him a rib and he stopped as soon as Hall grabbed him by the throat.

Grey and Ballantyne would have been made a foot shorter by Hall but they would have unflecked every arrow in their quiver before the Giant Cave Troll ate them both.

Forget the games Hall played and the goals he kicked, he should have been made hall of fame just for decking Staker and making the rest of the Eagles players kaka themselves....
I don't condone violence but when those cocky Smeagles puff their chests out..... it makes ya wanna.......

 

[Square Peg]

Barry Hall is inducted into the Australian Football Hall Of Fame before Bernie Naylor. I am fu€ken livid


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Now if it was called the Naylor of Fame......

 

[ydraw]

Suban picked ahead of Hughes.

 

[freoextra]

Why doesn't Ross play any senior players what is his obsession with youf - no loyalty!!!

 

[gaskin]

Suban picked ahead of Hughes.

Subes is 3 games short of 150 and life membership. I reckon we are going to gift him those games in the back half of the season.

 

[ydraw]

Subes is 3 games short of 150 and life membership. I reckon we are going to gift him those games in the back half of the season.

why

 

[gaskin]

why

Why not? 3 games isn't going to hurt the development of a young bloke.

 

[ydraw]

Why not? 3 games isn't going to hurt the development of a young bloke.

yes it is