No Oppo Supporters The Melt Thread

[ydraw]

Apeness when not injured has shown a few flashes. Able to clunk a mark, able to kick a goal, very mobile for such a big man and stole our hearts when he laid out Goddard.

Apeness has taken 5 contested marks and kicked 3 goals in 7 AFL games in his career. Hardly anything to get excited about. I think those holding out for him as the great white hope are going to be very disappointed.

Taberner's shown far more in his time but according to most here he's worse than Jack Anthony.

Uebergang is the real unknown.

 

[Unique Name]

Apeness has taken 5 contested marks and kicked 3 goals in 7 AFL games in his career. Hardly anything to get excited about. I think those holding out for him as the great white hope are going to be very disappointed.

Taberner's shown far more in his time but according to most here he's worse than Jack Anthony.

Uebergang is the real unknown.

Uebergang is 194cm he won't be addressing any secondary ruck role.

I agree with you on Tabs but to be fair on Apeness he has hardly had a chance to show anything being perennially injured. Our Ruck/Fwd role will be fixed by one of Tabs/Ape/Strnadica/Clarke or it won't and we need to look to draft/trade someone soon. If we look to be challenging in 2-3 seasons (2019 onwards) we need to get the talls in this off-season as they take the longest to come on.

 

[ydraw]

I agree with you on Tabs but to be fair on Apeness he has hardly had a chance to show anything being perennially injured.

He's played 7 games. Hardly touched the ball in those 7 games and averaged 0.5 hitouts per game.

Compare those 7 games to Brennan Cox.

 

[mike91]

He's played 7 games. Hardly touched the ball in those 7 games and averaged 0.5 hitouts per game.

Compare those 7 games to Brennan Cox.

Weren't the most of them in Ross Lyon's worse season at Freo? Pretty hard to get a mark and kick playing in one of the worse teams in the AFL when you're a kid. One of those 7 games was in a belting in Sydney against GWS. Stats are overrated, Ape has shown he can crash packs, has mongrel about him and goes hard for his marks. Really hope he is good to go as soon as the season ends, so he can train all summer, then hit day one of pre season in good shape already.

 

[Unique Name]

He's played 7 games. Hardly touched the ball in those 7 games and averaged 0.5 hitouts per game.

Compare those 7 games to Brennan Cox.

Brennan Coz is 192cm and isn't going to solve and ruck/forward issues long term. I'm not disagreeing with you on Apeness, he hasn't shown much at all. But I'm not willing to write off a tall forward after 7 games just like I'm not ready to write off Tabs after 50 games. It's a difficult position to play.

Apeness has shown an ability to take contested marks - taking 3 contested marks in both the WC and GWS games in 2016. In his first 7 games Apeness took 8 contested marks. In Tabs' first 7 games he took 2.

I've also seen him take numerous pack marks during training sessions. In the Essendon game in 2016 he showed the pressure he could apply which is very good for a tall. But his fitness is so far off it made him a liability.

Hopefully he gets a full preseason next year and he can give it a good crack.

 

[mike91]

Brennan Coz is 192cm and isn't going to solve and ruck/forward issues long term. I'm not disagreeing with you on Apeness, he hasn't shown much at all. But I'm not willing to write off a tall forward after 7 games just like I'm not ready to write off Tabs after 50 games. It's a difficult position to play.

Apeness has shown an ability to take contested marks - taking 3 contested marks in both the WC and GWS games in 2016. In his first 7 games Apeness took 8 contested marks. In Tabs' first 7 games he took 2.

I've also seen him take numerous pack marks during training sessions. In the Essendon game in 2016 he showed the pressure he could apply which is very good for a tall. But his fitness is so far off it made him a liability.

Hopefully he gets a full preseason next year and he can give it a good crack.

Tore Eric Mackenzie a new one in the wafl last year.

 

[DeanS]

Brennan Coz is 192cm and isn't going to solve and ruck/forward issues long term. I'm not disagreeing with you on Apeness, he hasn't shown much at all. But I'm not willing to write off a tall forward after 7 games just like I'm not ready to write off Tabs after 50 games. It's a difficult position to play.

Apeness has shown an ability to take contested marks - taking 3 contested marks in both the WC and GWS games in 2016. In his first 7 games Apeness took 8 contested marks. In Tabs' first 7 games he took 2.

I've also seen him take numerous pack marks during training sessions. In the Essendon game in 2016 he showed the pressure he could apply which is very good for a tall. But his fitness is so far off it made him a liability.

Hopefully he gets a full preseason next year and he can give it a good crack.

No one's writing Apeness off. I think the original comment related to holding him up as a great white hope. He may well turn out ok but there is little to nothing at this stage to indicate that will happen.

 

[ydraw]

Ape has shown he can crash packs, has mongrel about him and goes hard for his marks.

That's great but that's not all there is to being a key forward. You also have to know how to lead and read the play. Something that mostly can't be taught.

Apeness in the few games he's played just hasn't been involved much. Hopefully that's due to fitness and not due to being lost.

 

[danstar]

To many tin foil hats in here. Forget ape

The future is with cox

 

[Joeltownsmith]

Is cox's best footy up forward though he's got really poor goal sense. What about the dynamic backman we drafted him as?dam we we got alot of defenders on our list!

 

[Kram]

Apeness has taken 5 contested marks and kicked 3 goals in 7 AFL games in his career. Hardly anything to get excited about. I think those holding out for him as the great white hope are going to be very disappointed.

Taberner's shown far more in his time but according to most here he's worse than Jack Anthony.

Uebergang is the real unknown.

Apeness isn't anything special skillwise but actually shows some serious intent and aggression at the contest, this is something we have been crying out for in the forward line over the generally pretty meek efforts of the likes of Taberner.

 

[ydraw]

Apeness isn't anything special skillwise but actually shows some serious intent and aggression at the contest, this is something we have been crying out for in the forward line over the generally pretty meek efforts of the likes of Taberner.

Intent and aggression is fine but playing forward means you also need to know how and where to lead, which is the most difficult part of the job and the reason why it's much harder to turn a defender into a forward than vice versa. Apeness has very little experience playing as a forward in Aussie rules and so far hasn't really shown that he's got that knack.

 

[salim malik]

Apeness isn't anything special skillwise but actually shows some serious intent and aggression at the contest, this is something we have been crying out for in the forward line over the generally pretty meek efforts of the likes of Taberner.

Apeness's skills are fine. Go back and have a look at Peel's final's last season. Any comparison to him and Tabs is chalk and cheese. Unlike Tabs Apeness can clunk a contested mark and split packs. Theres a reason he was a high draft pick and Tabs a spec rookie pick. Its a tragedy that he hasn't had a long run at it.

 

[Kram]

Intent and aggression is fine but playing forward means you also need to know how and where to lead, which is the most difficult part of the job and the reason why it's much harder to turn a defender into a forward than vice versa. Apeness has very little experience playing as a forward in Aussie rules and so far hasn't really shown that he's got that knack.

Well that's funny because every time I've seen him play for Peel he has mostly been forward with the odd pinch hit in the ruck. Pretty sure he also moved forward a fair bit in u18s.

 

[ydraw]

Well that's funny because every time I've seen him play for Peel he has mostly been forward with the odd pinch hit in the ruck. Pretty sure he also moved forward a fair bit in u18s.

He spent at least a year as a youth playing rugby and spent most of his time as a junior otherwise as a ruckman. Since then he's been injured for years.

Would be great if it does click for him but the odds say that key forwards take years to develop even when they've been a key forward forever. Apeness is about 5 years behind the 8-ball on that front.

 

[Joao]

It's sad but Apeness has just never got a run at it to prove he has the tools. You can't right him off as he may get on the park for 22 weeks next year but his past says that's unlikely.

 

[Mudd]

He's played 7 games. Hardly touched the ball in those 7 games and averaged 0.5 hitouts per game.

Compare those 7 games to Brennan Cox.

From what I recall it was raining during a few of those 7 games so it's hard to judge him on that.

 

[meima]

Draft a KPF this year , apeness is morabinto 2.0 .

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Ydraw cleeearly Craberner's PR rep.

Talk shit about every single tall forward we have and then lie through your teeth when comparing them with Craberner.

Propaganda as ****.

 

[Freo15]

It's unarguable fact, but ok, obviously you have the memory of a goldfish.

DeBoer, Pearce were drafted in the Same draft as Hill, Suban, Ballas. Mzungu would be pretty close in age.

They had their papers stamped early last season because of it, hence no amount of tearing the WAFL a new one down at Peel could get them back brought back into the 22.

Nope. It was age and that they were at end of contracts. Clancee could kick, even DeBoer although not far but he like Barlow knew his limitations. Suban can't kick on his right and you couldn't compare the football smarts between he and Barlow (who finished top 5 in the Doig in an injury interrupted season). Pretty good for someone playing in the Wafl. Goldfish.

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[Big Animal]

Ydraw cleeearly Craberner's PR rep.

Talk shit about every single tall forward we have and then lie through your teeth when comparing them with Craberner.

Propaganda as ****.

haha. love when Muffman fires up. Leaves nothing unsaid.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Nope. It was age and that they were at end of contracts. Clancee could kick, even DeBoer although not far but he like Barlow knew his limitations. Suban can't kick on his right and you couldn't compare the football smarts between he and Barlow (who finished top 5 in the Doig in an injury interrupted season). Pretty good for someone playing in the Wafl. Goldfish.

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No. Go back, watch the games and read the forums. You know nothing.

And Suban can't kick on his right? Good thing he's a left footer then isn't it. As for those others, they couldn't kick left or right.

If the players you named weren't flogs, they'd have gotten a new contracts.

 

[sherrif]

He spent at least a year as a youth playing rugby and spent most of his time as a junior otherwise as a ruckman. Since then he's been injured for years.

Would be great if it does click for him but the odds say that key forwards take years to develop even when they've been a key forward forever. Apeness is about 5 years behind the 8-ball on that front.

He played a handful of games as a ruckman in the underage carnival as he was in the say team as Tom Boyd. The rest of his junior career he played as a forward. Is a much more natural forward that Tabs. Not sure what you are watching. Apeness can fly and break open packs. Tabs plays like a tall half forward flanker. For the record Tabs takes contested marks predominately while leading and his man is close. He has very, very rarely shown the ability to bring the ball to the ground in marking contest against quality tall defenders. When I see very rarely, I mean hardly ever.

 

[ydraw]

He played a handful of games as a ruckman in the underage carnival as he was in the say team as Tom Boyd. The rest of his junior career he played as a forward. Is a much more natural forward that Tabs. Not sure what you are watching. Apeness can fly and break open packs. Tabs plays like a tall half forward flanker.

I'm watching the games where he never got near the ball because he doesn't know where to go or how to lead. Apeness averages 5 disposals per game in the 7 games of AFL he has played.

 

[sherrif]

I'm watching the games where he never got near the ball because he doesn't know where to go or how to lead. Apeness averages 5 disposals per game in the 7 games of AFL he has played.

Yep after coming back from injury Michael didn't always lead to the right position. However, Apeness was able to break open more packs and bring the ball to ground more times in pack situations in his seven games than Tabs has in his entire career. Seriously, Tabs never breaks open packs and brings the ball to ground. Which is what you are saying we are missing. I actually want Tabs to be in the team this week, but he is not the player who will bring others into the game by outmarking tall defenders or bringing the ball to the ground in pack situations. Going on long leads and then trying to outwork his man is much more his go.