No Oppo Supporters The Melt Thread

[Chaseton]

Can't believe how bad Freo were today, no improvement at all by the looks same old game plan from a coach whos past it. Phone 1 was certainly in danger today.

 

[Scham]

Ross Lyons presser is the issue for me.

Doesn’t answer any questions with actually answers, dodged issues and just states that “we knew what they were going to do but couldn’t stop it, and we competed well”.

Well IMO we didn’t compete well at all. We were slow, lazy and weak at the contest. I just wish Lyon would take ownership and say he got it wrong today. Instead he makes a point of Brayshaws turn over when Ballantyne was free. That didn’t lose us the game Ross, match committee and a lack of coherent game plan did. Rant over.

Not sure if you've had a chance to hear/see the post matches from Hardwick, Bolton and Clarkson but if you get the chance do so, they're very impressive and really highlighted how far off Ross was.

 

[hoss]

Hamling's at home watching while Johnno looked like he needed a Zimmer frame from the opening bounce?

 

[beetz]

What coaches are coming through the ranks.

I know it’s round 1 but there has been next to no improvement over the last 2 years.

I feel for some of our playing list. Not their fault. They’ve been forced into a game plan which obviously isn’t working.

Ross has gone stale imo.

 

[Deathly]

What coaches are coming through the ranks.

I know it’s round 1 but there has been next to no improvement over the last 2 years.

Your measurement of improvement is:

22 games from 2016 to 22 games from 2017 to 1 game in 2018. Seems legit.

 

[beetz]

Wut

 

[se17enteen]

The Ross Lyon rebuild is as credible as Trump University.

 

[StingBitten]

If I was to take my purple cap off and think hard - I reckon realistically Ross would be given till about Round 11 of absolute puke before they finally sacked him.

The logic is, if it were any other coach they’d get as far as Rd 6 - but Ross is (quite rightly) held in very high esteem by the club.

If we can’t show we’re genuinely on the right path by then I’d say he’s absolutely done.

 

[Scham]

If I was to take my purple cap off and think hard - I reckon realistically Ross would be given till about Round 11 of absolute puke before they finally sacked him.

The logic is, if it were any other coach they’d get as far as Rd 6 - but Ross is (quite rightly) held in very high esteem by the club.

If we can’t show we’re genuinely on the right path by then I’d say he’s absolutely done.

Unless a very highly rated alternative becomes available he'll see out his contract imo.

 

[tonygeeks]

People getting stuck into each other with constant ad hominem attacks that endure over multiple pages is not suitable in ANY thread, E-Shed. It's garbage posting.

What does add hominem mean


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[scon]

The Ross Lyon rebuild is as credible as Trump University.

You a Trump Graduate??

 

[tonygeeks]

Led Zeppelin special on Fox right now if people want to take their minds off the footy.

Maybe the club should switch to playing ' stairway to heaven ' at games rather than ' highway to hell ' and ' TnT 'a bit of rock n roll feng shway if you will


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[tonygeeks]

The biggest question might be what the hell does he have stuffed in his jocks


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[E Shed]

meanwhile Clarkson has the Hawks up and running again. Its so depressing.

 

[tonygeeks]

I'm strong enough to hold half a state hostage but light enough to float away on the wind

I could disappear in an instant or make 5 yrs an eternity

What am I ?


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[Nolo180]

Yep this crap of kicking it long and high to the top of the goal square has to stop!
You cant tell me the players dont have the skills to hit a target in F50. If the coach cant drill and empower them to find a way to goal then we need someone who can. Im a big rosco fan but if he doesnt get the team going next week at the new ground he can get farked im gonna be super pissed!

 

[Nolo180]

meanwhile Clarkson has the Hawks up and running again. Its so depressing.[/QUOTE

Thanks eshed i think my heads gonna explode now

 

[mike91]

Hawthorn can play finals this year. Clarkson is a master coach. Rebuilding longer and we're still behind them.

 

[Deathly]

Hawthorn can play finals this year. Clarkson is a master coach. Rebuilding longer and we're still behind them.

Hawthorn barely needed to rebuild. The senior coach and majority of the senior leaders / experience are still there. They're not missing that many players from their 2016 side that was in contention and in 2017 they basically missed out on finals again by 1 and a half game due to a slow start and key outs. You can't compare a club doing a rebuild that's already involved doing a 20+ player turnaround since 2016 to a club that just needed 6 months to get their gun recruits and depth playing the Hawthorn way.

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

Ross Lyons presser is the issue for me.

Doesn’t answer any questions with actually answers, dodged issues and just states that “we knew what they were going to do but couldn’t stop it, and we competed well”.

Well IMO we didn’t compete well at all. We were slow, lazy and weak at the contest. I just wish Lyon would take ownership and say he got it wrong today. Instead he makes a point of Brayshaws turn over when Ballantyne was free. That didn’t lose us the game Ross, match committee and a lack of coherent game plan did. Rant over.

His pressers have given me the shits for a while now.

Particularly disliked his dig at Brayshaw, of all players to single out and sink the boot into, he picks a debutant?

Bizarre.

 

[E Shed]

Hawthorn barely needed to rebuild. The senior coach and majority of the senior leaders / experience are still there. They're not missing that many players from their 2016 side that was in contention and in 2017 they basically missed out on finals again by 1 and a half game due to a slow start and key outs. You can't compare a club doing a rebuild that's already involved doing a 20+ player turnaround since 2016 to a club that just needed 6 months to get their gun recruits and depth playing the Hawthorn way.

We were beaten by Hawthorn in the GF of 2013. That was their first of 3 flags in row. They also won in 2008.
There is only 1 player still on their list from 2008 - Rioli.
From 2013 they have - Burgoyne, Rioli, Smith, Puopolo, Roughhead, Shiels, Gunston still on their list.
Freo have - Johnson, Pearce, Spurr, Mundy, Fyfe, Sutcliffe, Walters, Sandi, S Hill, B Hill (who was in that Hawks team) Balla, Neale.
So since we played them in 2013 they have turned over all but 7 players from that team while winning another 2 flags & tonight showed they are already back to being a very strong team.
We have retained 11 players and added one of theirs on our way to becoming a bottom 4 team.
Like other smart teams they continually blood new players and gradually turn the list over.
We ran ours into the ground, hanging on to the same players trying to prove I don't know what.
And we're still doing it.

 

[AAACockburn]

Can you do one from the game today with MJ chasing a forward with his trousers around his legs and a kebab in his hands?

 

[yakka man]

His pressers have given me the shits for a while now.

Particularly disliked his dig at Brayshaw, of all players to single out and sink the boot into, he picks a debutant?

Bizarre.

I said last year that Lyon's behaviour in his press conferences is poor and everyone on here just said it's because of the journos. I agree that his singling out of Brayshaw was ridiculous considering even players like Mundy and Brad Hill were turning it over left, right and centre. Like others have said his press conference had more questions than answers and was just him rehashing the same old excuses and I'm sick of it.

 

[ydraw]

His press conferences show a huge lack of respect for fans.

 

[yyou]

Maybe the club should switch to playing ' stairway to heaven ' at games rather than ' highway to hell ' and ' TnT 'a bit of rock n roll feng shway if you will


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Maybe we need “Living on a Prayer”