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Problem is we don't have a pick for him - he's late 1st early 2nd by all accounts. If we had say pick 24 then yeah for sure......
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Problem is we don't have a pick for him - he's late 1st early 2nd by all accounts. If we had say pick 24 then yeah for sure......
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Gresh has a lot more elite tools then Daniel.. Gresh's core strength and lateral movement are superior to Daniel's. Daniel is more consistent with his ability to hit targets by foot tho.. But Gresh will definitely be a better player if their first years are anything to go by
Yeah, on straight stat comparison Gresh has him covered:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...&pid1=4073&pid2=4178&fid1=P&fopt1=2015&fid2=S
Worth noting that Gresh spent a lot more time on the ground though - 75% vs 62%.
I think they're both going to be very good, wouldn't put my money on Gresh being better yet.
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I wouldn't bet on anything after the first year. Without looking Dunstan was probably better than both in their first year and maybe behind both in his third year. Daniel played well enough in his second year to be an important player in the finals. Lets hope Gresh has that improvement in him for a number of years.
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The problem with this kind of threads is we over-rate our own based on their best ever games and their potential and then we judge the Dogs on their worst ever games. This is fairly skewed.
Our only genuine A grader is Steven. So lets just say Steven and Bont are both A graders.
But then what?
Ill rank the top 12 midfielders from both clubs in order:
We arent that far off.
If we can get Acres, Gresh, Steele, Billings and Freeman up in to the top 300 players in the AFL we will be on track. That is a big IF seeing Freeman hasnt even played a single game. The Dogs will be hoping Toby Mclean (20yo) makes further improvements up in to that top 12.
Our only genuine A grader is Steven. So lets just say Steven and Bont are both A graders.
But then what?
Ill rank the top 12 midfielders from both clubs in order:
- Bont
- Steven
- Armo
- Wallis
- Newnes
- Picken
- Macrae
- Hunter
- Ross
- Dunstan
- Daniel
- Liberatore
We arent that far off.
If we can get Acres, Gresh, Steele, Billings and Freeman up in to the top 300 players in the AFL we will be on track. That is a big IF seeing Freeman hasnt even played a single game. The Dogs will be hoping Toby Mclean (20yo) makes further improvements up in to that top 12.
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Pick 10 for Steel and pick 17. Use pick 17 in the draft on someone like Bolton, Logue, Rotham, Florent or Galluci.
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You have gone and said we overate our own and then put Macrae and Hunter down that low. they would be third and fourth on that list and I think Steven is just number one. Also Ross is ahead of Armo. Libba and Daniel are probably ahead of Dunstan.
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Libba, Hunter and Macrae would be 345
7 of the 12 midfielders I listed are 22 or younger.
Exactly. Steven, Bont one and two. Then McCrae, Libba, Hunter, probably Daniel then Ross.
Ross is better than Daniel
Much of that is arguable. What I think is way off is Liberatore at 12. He should be in the top 3
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Bloody gun.
Congrats on the win mate
Cheers FWIW Saints have the bookends. It's just the mids.
You guys play well against us.
Without presuming to rate your mids, I'd rate our mids as
1-Bont
2-Libba
3-Dahl
4 - Macrae
5 - Picken
6.- Hunter
7-Wallis
8-Daniel
9 - Dunkley
Smith, Stringer, JJ, Suckling flit through as well
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I agree with you guys. I ripped those ratings directly from the 'Schtick rankings' but those rankings are always lagged and dont really take into account recent form. So for instance Libba gets a lower ranking than he deserves because he was injured in 2015. But I agree Libba, Macrae and Hunter are all very bloody good.
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sonnywalters
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Agree I was just using those schtick ratings but they are always lagged and months behind so not current.
No sane person can rate Dunstan ahead of Libba.
In reality only Steven from the Saints would make the Dogs top 6 midfielders.
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You also have Mclean. What is Lukas Webb going to be like?
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I think Picken's finals series has elevated him massively. Congrats by the way
Cheers Pickens been great. Libba was playing injured in the finals. Pre injury he chopped Danger up. I'd nearly have him ahead of Bont. Nearly.
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Yeah McLean is more a HFF but can play wing.
Webb interesting. Nearly our best kick. Played mid in the twos and racked them up. Not quite tough enough yet. Could be v good. Got another guy Williams coming through who looks a Murphy clone but better contested.
Gresham FWIW looks an A grader in the making. Reckon he will be better than many of our mids. Love his work.
I'd be surprised if you guys aren't into Hrovat if fit could be a 150 gamer. Should be cheap.
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Bonts only 20 too...and many think Stringer will become more mid...he's 22 as is Macrae...interesting times.
