The never ending Priddis debate - part II

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As one of our two designated inside midfielders , he is the best at the position .
Selwood could take his place maybe but this would involve another three year thread .

Colledge and Waterman not ready .

Doesnt this sum up the Priddis situation ? .... pretty easy to see why he is being played .

Why fuss about it , plenty of more attractive aspects of the footy development at the club at the moment .....go with the flow , accept those things you cant change ....be possitive and try to be happy about it.
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Lol.
We win one game against decent opposition and the priddis lovers are out in force like he influenced the game and he was the reason we won.
Shuey had far more impact and didn't feature in the votes by the coaches.
Watching those videos shows a typical game by priddis. Nothing special. Lots of burned handballs and a few constructive hand balls.
Lots of shit disposal to team mates at their feet or who were about to be tackled so our momentum stops.
But we beat port so it must have been because of him right?
Well since we last played a decent side, freo, what's changed is the midfield setup. Shuey, yeo, duggan and lecras. Priddis moved to hff.
So from that basis we won because of the changed midfield dynamic not because priddis got the hard ball. Hes been doing that for seven years and we have won jack shit.
He wasn't the reason we won, he just did what he usually does. The difference was the midfield as a whole lifted.

He wasn't on a flank on the weekend, he was in the guts. If he got 31 touches and 9 clearances off a HFF he'd be a much better player than even the pro-Priddis crowd gives him credit for
 

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Just a little fuel for the fire: http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2015-05-11/sealer-shuey-cant-take-credit

He may have slotted two final quarter goals, including the sealer with just 11 seconds remaining, but Luke Shuey was quick to deflect the praise to another of his midfield brigade.

When the ball was tossed in from the boundary for the final time at the Eagles half-forward line, it was an Eagles workhorse Matt Priddis at the bottom of the pack flicking the ball up to Shuey as he sailed by.

“If I didn’t have the Brownlow medallist winning that hard footy, I wouldn’t have been able to do it,” Shuey told Fox Footy.
Oh whoops, forgot this is the "coaches, umpires, general public and especially teammates know nothing about how terrible Priddis is" thread. :rolleyes:

I mean, I've been a critic of him at times and I still don't think he'll take us to a premiership but that's also partly because he'll have retired by the time our window is truly open (unless we have at least another 4-5 wins like last weekend against top 8 sides this year). Last weekend he got 31 possessions, if one of those resulted in a turnover that 'nearly' cost us the game, I'd say he made up for that with a disposal that did seal the game for us. In other words - he's had bad games, maybe more bad than good in recent years, but last week wasn't one of them.
 
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I don't get why the brownlow medal is relevant to any argument

It is a completely independent award based on umpires opinions

That doesn't make him our best player or even our best midfielder

I don't get why people can't value a bloke even if he is our 4th or 5th best midfielder? Why shouldn't he be better with better players around him?

Are we not allowed to value Schofield's performances because he isn't as good as Gov or Ezy?

The fact that Priddis has been our number 1 mid is an indictment on those not good enough to pass him.

I'm starting to enjoy Priddis far more this year because with greater talent around him he can focus on what he can do well and not bother with what he can't

That doesn't make me a priddis lover, merely accepting that he is 1 part of a midfield of about 10
 

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with our clear ruck dominance we should be streets ahead anyway - watch the first half where priddis is getting first use of the ball and doing sfa constructive with it - compared to the second half where its being tapped out to the players who can run and stun.......

at the end of the day none of us know whether nn is being told to tap to priddis or not - but the sheer predictability of this allied with his poor disposal and lack of pace make for shit footy - the second half was so much better in this regard.


priddis needs to block for the runners more - his lack of blocking is pathetic esp for such a strong bloke - he has the tools to do this - he also needs to handball to where they are going to be - not to where they are - momentum killer - second half again was a lot better
Al, a bit off topic but was wondering if you maybe able to perform your tricks with video highlights and show us a sample of Yeos contested marks and those of Fyfes from last weekend.
Don't worry if too difficult.
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Al, a bit off topic but was wondering if you maybe able to perform your tricks with video highlights and show us a sample of Yeos contested marks and those of Fyfes from last weekend.
Don't worry if too difficult.
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I was working on a yeo love video so I can give u that..
Cbf for Fyfe.. damn him!!!


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Okay here are some videos

This is Priddis' involvements in the game

Here's some highlights of mostly the other mids from the game:
10 Mark LeCras (WCE)
8 Matt Priddis (WCE)
4 Robbie Gray (PA)
3 Elliot Yeo (WCE)
2 Will Schofield (WCE)
2 Brad Sheppard (WCE)
1 Chad Wingard (PA)


edit it is obvious both coaches gave him 4 votes each . go figure maybe you need to look at the way you view the game
- See more at: http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2015-05-12/coaches-votes-round-6#sthash.ZXG2ceUW.dpuf
 

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What's wrong with making that assessment? it's more arrogant to say 'orr what would u know your not a coach' as your empty rebuttal.

Who is worse and why?
Who has more deficiencies than him in their game and what are they?
The question is where do you start?
There's Gaff who can't win his own ball and can't tackle or simply isn't willing to make physical contact with opposition players, so if you don't have inside midfielders/gun ruckman, he hardly touches the footy and his man wins the game for the other team.
You have Wellingham who isn't much better. All in all, to make Priddis redundant you just need more of your midfielders to stand up, actually get some work rate into them, win the hard ball and get involved in the physical side of the game.
Criticising Priddis is a bit like criticising Nick Naitanui because he does all the hard stuff but none of the easy stuff.
 

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I don't get why the brownlow medal is relevant to any argument

It is a completely independent award based on umpires opinions

That doesn't make him our best player or even our best midfielder

I don't get why people can't value a bloke even if he is our 4th or 5th best midfielder? Why shouldn't he be better with better players around him?

Are we not allowed to value Schofield's performances because he isn't as good as Gov or Ezy?

The fact that Priddis has been our number 1 mid is an indictment on those not good enough to pass him.

I'm starting to enjoy Priddis far more this year because with greater talent around him he can focus on what he can do well and not bother with what he can't

That doesn't make me a priddis lover, merely accepting that he is 1 part of a midfield of about 10
thats right analogy , a mother loves all her babies and watch out if you cross her children especially when they are reviled especially when it is uncalled for . it doesnt mean the mum loves that kid more
 

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lets just have a look at the videos above.. You can't tell me almost any other player on the WCE list could NOT DO at least what priddis contributed? And in fact if we substituted a player with more strings to his bow into his position, how could we not be better off? Why not play a more dynamic player as your "go in a get it guy" (YAWN at that phrase)
Your videos highlight that in 90% of contests, Priddis and Naitanui are the only players who want to win the ball, the other players are happy to leave it for someone else. He lays tackles that your other mids either can't do or aren't willing to. In several clips he puts his body on the line at stoppages to win the ball when your other players are like seagulls around a pack.
 

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conversely if priddis is a brownlow medal winning mid that is all that and a bit more - how come hes playing on a hff more and more - and why is it we all of a sudden look so dynamic with shuey and yeo in the guts - at least till yeo runs out of puff

if you had the choice would you have a 22 yo priddis - or a 22 yo yeo - there is such a blind spot on this board for this player - it defies description

last year early on in the year guys would come on here and point out that his disposal sucked - pruddites would point to the cd de rating and say its not that bad

i started making vids that blew the cd de rating out of the water - then we started in about how he doesnt defend - and as a result we get killed on the rebound



so the goalposts moved and it was all about how noone else can get the ball - and that laughably - chasing players wasnt his job

elliot yeo and shuey prove that they can "get the ball" and defend - brilliantly



the whole time after september we have a brownlow rubbed in our faces - yet we are moving this amazing player whos won a brownlow onto a hff and the team are better for it.

the levels of delusion here are like peeling an onion - you just find another layer of self delusion each time - but heres the thing - just like an onion it gets smaller and smaller - and will eventually disappear
so who is deluded and what was the onion layer we peeled ? sorry once i re read i understand it absolutely 100 % agree there is no pleasing some people
 

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Your videos highlight that in 90% of contests, Priddis and Naitanui are the only players who want to win the ball, the other players are happy to leave it for someone else. He lays tackles that your other mids either can't do or aren't willing to. In several clips he puts his body on the line at stoppages to win the ball when your other players are like seagulls around a pack.
Perhaps because this is the way our midfield has been structured?
 

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Al, a bit off topic but was wondering if you maybe able to perform your tricks with video highlights and show us a sample of Yeos contested marks and those of Fyfes from last weekend.
Don't worry if too difficult.
Cheers
sorry dude - ive been wanting to do some vids but work has just left me enough time to waste arguing shit on here - and in this economy im taking everything that comes in while it still is
 

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I'm not sure how anyone could watch those Priddis highlights and not think he was integral in us winning that game of football.

Did he play an error free game? No but let's see...clangers...

Shuey 3
Yeo 3
Masto 3
Shep 2
Cripps 2
Lecca 2
Priddis 2

He's not on his Pat Malone in a high intensity match.

But he's not damaging with his disposal you say!

2 Goal Assists and a goal...that's direct involvement with over a quarter of our goals. Equal 1st with Lecca.

Priddis sucks as #1 mid. He is smashing it the past few weeks as number #3-#4 mid, right where it would have been envisaged that he played most of his footy behind Cousins, Judd and Kerr when recruited.
 

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I'm not sure how anyone could watch those Priddis highlights and not think he was integral in us winning that game of football.

Did he play an error free game? No but let's see...clangers...

Shuey 3
Yeo 3
Masto 3
Shep 2
Cripps 2
Lecca 2
Priddis 2

He's not on his Pat Malone in a high intensity match.

But he's not damaging with his disposal you say!

2 Goal Assists and a goal...that's direct involvement with over a quarter of our goals. Equal 1st with Lecca.

Priddis sucks as #1 mid. He is smashing it the past few weeks as number #3-#4 mid, right where it would have been envisaged that he played most of his footy behind Cousins, Judd and Kerr when recruited.
domo did a vid of all priddis s' possys on the weekend


dont waltz into this debate and pluck cd stats as they arent worth a pinch of shit - look at the vid and count the clean possessions that didnt hit a players feet / end as a fifty fifty / sell a player into shit - these arent counted as clangers yet a huge percentage of priddis' possies are these sorts

if you counted the first half - 2/3 of his possies were shit - second half he was heaps better

on average 2/3 possies being shit ordinary and not doing anything to advance the eagles cause is par for the course for priddis
 

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and 1/10 of his possessions resulted in a quarter of our score. Those point things that we need more of at the end of the game than the other guys to win are pretty valuable - or is the score now an irrelevant stat in here too?

When he plays poorly, bag **** out of him. He didn't play poorly against Port. No one is saying Priddis was BOG despite the hysteria in here. He played to an acceptable standard and has since the Freo match. When people start saying shit like McGinnity is a better footballer, expect to get called out.

It's pretty funny that the regulars in here are more offended by Priddis contributing than completely spudding it up :drunk:
 

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and 1/10 of his possessions resulted in a quarter of our score. Those point things that we need more of at the end of the game than the other guys to win are pretty valuable - or is the score now an irrelevant stat in here too?
not denying this - it hasnt been like this in 99% of games though - he is rarely involved in scoring chains

When he plays poorly, bag **** out of him. He didn't play poorly against Port.

first half was ordinary - second half was quite good - on average id have him in out top 8

No one is saying Priddis was BOG despite the hysteria in here.
go have a squizz at the coaches votes - they rated him as 2nd best on ground - do you?

He played to an acceptable standard and has since the Freo match. When people start saying shit like McGinnity is a better footballer, expect to get called out.
the whole mcginnity thing is a fun argument - nothing more - its like things mcginnity gets castigated for - priddis is forgiven as priddis gets more possessions - count every possession priddis gets that actually helps us over a year and compare those to mcg's stats and they look a lot more similar - except goals per game where mcg thrashes priddis - if you follow other threads you will see many anti priddis people are absolutely livid at mcg's selection each week.

its a good fun way to expose the hypocricy of the pruddites though

It's pretty funny that the regulars in here are more offended by Priddis contributing than completely spudding it up :drunk:

no we are offended at the coaches and commentators calling him in the bog's when guys like shep yeo - even masten won us that game - he played a good part - but he always gets the star billing
 

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I'm not sure how anyone could watch those Priddis highlights and not think he was integral in us winning that game of football.

Did he play an error free game? No but let's see...clangers...

Shuey 3
Yeo 3
Masto 3
Shep 2
Cripps 2
Lecca 2
Priddis 2

He's not on his Pat Malone in a high intensity match.

But he's not damaging with his disposal you say!

2 Goal Assists and a goal...that's direct involvement with over a quarter of our goals. Equal 1st with Lecca.

Priddis sucks as #1 mid. He is smashing it the past few weeks as number #3-#4 mid, right where it would have been envisaged that he played most of his footy behind Cousins, Judd and Kerr when recruited.
If you're going to pick clangers as a stat to defend him with then you might want to check his season stats. Spoiler alert, he leads the team, and a fair few of his come with him being completely out in the open.
 

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It's pretty funny that the regulars in here are more offended by Priddis contributing than completely spudding it up :drunk:
It's an unusual fanaticism and arrogance masquerading as balanced opinion.

Which is a shame, because there's a lot of posters that are pretty good when they're not frothing at the mouth over Matt Priddis.
 

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tell me what about priddis is better than ginner??
his hairdo??
lets go thru all the attributes of a footballer and compare them
I dare u

that you can watch that video of priddis and still claim he is irreplaceable is ridiculous. ANY AFL player could have performed equally as good at that "role" and the involvements your saw in the video. To say no one else in our team could physically equal those efforts is also baloney.

Half the time "mr extractor" is splatted on the ground barely getting the ball out. Fumbling around missing taps.. almost throwing out handballs in close. We're lucky the umps rarely pay incorrect disposal. He is second in on tackles and hangs off the packs (when he's supposed to be going in there and getting it)
My fav moment (not) bout 2:30 in is where YEO extracts it to shuey who is on the burst, and priddis gets in the way.. priddis ends up with the ball.. floats around sideways like a goose cause he has no right foot .. then snap kicks chaos ball in hope it 10m to the opposition inside fifty.

If you watch the other video you'll also see its Shuey and other players who also emerge from at the bottom of a pack. Mr extractor is far from the only one who does and can do it. He just gets the most opportunity in that position and has done so for 3 years. You'll see shuey and lecras take ruck taps and burst away from the stoppage. You'll see Duggin Yeo Masten Sheed and Wellingham all equally (and better IMO) able to get in hard and extract the footy. Jesus Christ saint mary of matera its not that difficult to pick up the ball off the ground.

The best effort priddis had in the video is the intercept he does and then passes to Sinclair on the lead inside 50. Sinclair duffs the mark and the kick is a little floppy high floater (as per usual). But its a positive effort. The "game winning" goal shuey kicks.. the ball ricocets out to priddis at the back off a port players shin.. its hardly a hard ball get. Granted he collects it and gets it onto shuey .. just like any AFL player should be able to do.

I didn't want to have to annotate the videos but I may have to
 
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