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Its the price you pay for staunch independence. Why should the AFL contribute?
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Its the price you pay for staunch independence. Why should the AFL contribute?
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Because its in their interest for the WA teams to be financially well off.
Plus the stadium is helping the AFL teams to put on a better spectacle, enticing more fans over to watch the game and thus more proceeds. Especially in finals where the AFL takes all.
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They already are.
That doesnt require the AFLs money. And the AFL still has to pay for use of the stadium, even in finals.
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So are you saying that it is right for the AFL to chip in for the new Metricon build, Spotless, Docklands and AO but not Perth Stadium?
It really is still the VFL if that's the case.
Staunch independence? The AFL have been running the WAFC for years now.
Anyway they're contribution is not required, don't need it or want it.
We don't need or want it, the further the AFL stay away from WA football the better off we will be.
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I didnt say it was right or wrong. I said that its the price of not wanting the AFL to interfere in WA football.
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Not sure the average WA taxpayer would agree with you - seen the size of our deficit lately...
The Eagles funds have been accumulated to build Lathlain, fund their equivalent of the facilities most other clubs now enjoy.
http://lathlainprecinct.com.au/zone/west-coast-eagles-zone
What did the WAFC spend the money on that you suggest should have been spent on Subi (that is what you are saying?).
Packer was prepared to put in some years back and we said no, it wasn't a piddly little 1% either. Of course he would of wanted to run it but so what. Private ownership is always better than government ownership.
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The State government and the Federal government both chucked $10m each into the Lathlain development. The government is always giving football money.
I believe his point was that the WAFC expect to take all the money out of Subiaco without contributing a single cent to the maintenance and ongoing costs of the venue. A completely unsustainable model.
RussellEbertHandball
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Nope federal government and state governments before Sydney won the Olympics only gave money for stadiums when big international events happened and upgrades were needed. Wayne Goss in Qld probably started the trend by agreeing in 1993 to start redeveloping the Gabba over a 10-15 year period in 5 or 6 stages. That was accelerated when Beattie decided to bid for Olympic Soccer to be played at the Gabba and brought forward several stages to be ready by 2000. A few years later he agreed for a complete redevelopment of Lang Park to be ready for the 2003 Rugby World Cup and host a semi final. Then once Sydney started building Olympics infrastructure, governments of both levels around the country, started joining in and handing out dollars.
RedV3x
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NSW was the worst state up until the Olympics it spent an incredable amount of money on rl and RU stadia and ended up without one decent stadium.
Don't forget that the WA government spent $200 million (I think) doing up Perth Stadium to attract all those RSA RU fans.
That was money well spent wasn't it.
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Has there been talk that the lighting as well as fittings inside the ground and the branding around the stadium will change when the different teams play there. They do at Adelaide Oval but its not as dramatic as Allianz Arena in Munich and even compared to the new Meadowlands stadium where the NY Giants and NY Jets play.
Allianz Arena is lit in red when the host team is Bayern Munich, in blue when it is 1860 Munich and in white when the German national team hosts the match.
Allianz Arena is lit in red when the host team is Bayern Munich, in blue when it is 1860 Munich and in white when the German national team hosts the match.
RussellEbertHandball
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NSW government didn't spend any $$$ on stadiums before winning the Olympics bid in September 1993. The Sydney Cricket Ground Trust - sure a government body, raised membership fees and borrowed monies to build the SFS and redevelop the SCG - but the NSW government didn't give cash grants like government of all persuasion have be doing the last 20 years. They have since changed post Olympics.
Before Goss in Qld who started the process and then Beattie bought all the stadiums and put them into Stadium QueenslandTrust, Sir Joh's government spent bugger all, if not nothing on stadiums. The 1982 Commonwealth Games stadium at Mt Gravatt was funded by the Brisbane City Council.
Has there been talk that the lighting as well as fittings inside the ground and the branding around the stadium will change when the different teams play there. They do at Adelaide Oval but its not as dramatic as Allianz Arena in Munich and even compared to the new Meadowlands stadium where the NY Giants and NY Jets play.
Allianz Arena is lit in red when the host team is Bayern Munich, in blue when it is 1860 Munich and in white when the German national team hosts the match.
Please don't post that shithole of a place in Munich on here
Understand where you are coming from, & given the WAFC is writing off the assets at Subi, how much good money after bad do you suggest they should have spent? For example the oval has been kept up to scratch, at no cost you suggest?
Yes, Govts are guilty of gifting taxpayer funds to clubs of all shapes & sizes, & codes all over Aus & I've been critical of the money poured into the AFL clubs who should be well able to fund their own facilities (why the Eagles have accumulated funds noting they aren't into pokies palaces).
As for the WAFC appropriating Eagles funds its little different to the AFL holding back distributions to clubs, a recipe to drive fans away taking their money with them.
WA footy relies on the WAFC & the taxpayers will feel any reduced spending.
& Vic fans might well reflect on tiger74s point.
Adelaide Oval had trouble getting money out of the AFL, got there eventually.
RedV3x
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They spent an absolut fortune.
I lived in Sydney at the time and the whole state was AFL paranoid. The SCG was run by the NSWRL and they built the SFS, upgraded the SCG, upgraded the RU's new home in Concord, Parramatta, Campbelltown, Korgarah and just about every other NSWRL home ground. It continued up until and past the Sydney Olympics and they only just now have a reasonable stadium.
AND you're totally wrong about Subiaco Oval. From Hansard.
"The Western Australian Government has held a series of negotiations with the West Australian Football Commission about its financial position since additions were made to Subiaco Oval. Servicing the loan for the cost of those additions has placed extreme financial pressure on the WAFC. In, I think, 1999 the WA Government made a commitment to pay an annual payment of $1.5 million of the principal loan over 20 years; that is, a $30 million repayment package. The WA Football Commission was liable for the interest. At that time, revenue projections were overoptimistic. However, the fortunes of the West Coast Eagles have declined slightly as have that club’s revenues. The fortunes of the Fremantle Dockers were not as good as were projected and the WA Football Commission, which derives its revenue from those AFL clubs, was faced with a liquidity problem. Pressure was brought to bear to do something about it. In opposition, the Premier promised to undertake a review of football if it won the election. When the Labor Party took office, discussions were held. The Government took on board the recommendations of the Crawford report. That led to these discussions and to measures that could be taken to alleviate financial pressure on the WA Football Commission. The Government agreed with Treasury advice to extend the surety of the total amount of the WA Football Commission’s loan from the $4 million surety provided previously to cover the full extent of the loan of $30 million."
AND wrt SCG http://www.sydneycricketground.com.au/latest-news/scg-grandstands-officially-opened/
"The new stand was built at a cost of $197.5 million, with the NSW Government contributing $97.5 million, while the SCG Trust and the Federal Government each contributed $50 million."
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RussellEbertHandball
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I said that prior to 1993 when Goss started spending money on the Gabba and Sydney won the Olympics there was very little monies spent by state governments on stadiums unless international events were the big driver. I didn't live in Sydney in the 1980's but spent a lot of time there in 1990 and 1991 before moving there permanently in 1992 leaving in 2010. Concord Oval was built to use for the 1987 inaugural Rugby World Cup, so I wouldnt be surprised if NSW government monies were used in developing that from its . The SFS and upgrades to the SCG starting in 1978 was funded by monies raised by the SCG Trust - yes a governent body - but it didn't get government grants. And the SCG Trust was dominated by cricket types and RU types not RL types. Go back and see who the Trust members were in the 1980's and 1990's. Sure they treated the swans with a certain distain before 1996 but that wan't the RL types it was the cricket and RU types on the trust board. Parramatta wasn't built with governent monies. Kograh got about $10mil grant from Howard before the 2004 election. Campbelltown oval was developed well after 1993.
http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=27
The new-look Campbelltown Sports Stadium was officially opened on Sunday June 6, 2000. The renovations, which cost in excess of $22 million provide the Macarthur Area with a much needed new Rugby League Stadium.
http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=27
What am I totally wrong about Subiaco Oval?? I didn't mention Subi I said 1993 was the when things changed. Once again the major redevelopment that happened with the WAFC going out and borrowing the monies to develop, the southern stand in late 1993 when after the footy season the AFL and WAFC finalized the negotiation to give Freo a licence provided Subi was upgraded and the WA government agreed to give a government guarantee on the $50m loan, and to assist with repayments over the period of the loan. Geoff Gallop at one election promised if re-elected his government would pay off a third of the loan which IIRC was worth $14m.
RedV3x
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You said football didn't contribute to the Subiaco and now you're saying the government didn't pay an absolute fortune for a multitude of stadia in NSW.
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