Perth Stadium (Optus Stadium)

[BartBart]

Supposedly on the wings. Not sure the way they'd do it. (If the roof line would be uneven, etc.)

 

[wal]

Supposedly on the wings. Not sure the way they'd do it. (If the roof line would be uneven, etc.)

In the early design stages the plan was to add another tier on both of the wings but the design they went with
is "Designed to expand to 70,000 seats for AFL events within the existing structure when the demand warrants it."

http://www.perthstadium.com.au/docs...iles/seating-capacity-fact-sheet.pdf?sfvrsn=0

I assume they will do this by steepening the pitch of the top tier taking it up to the roofline.

 

[Clems Knee]

I thought that the plan was to build another tier above all the others, but still beneath the canopy. There is currently a fair gap between. This would be all around the stadium except where the giant screens are.

 

[Pj.Rj.Hj]

From the cross-section drawings I have of the stadium. If the stadium is expanded with the roof structure remaining the same, they could extend the top tier 8 more rows of seating deeper. The roof supports mean that they would have to have 50 "wedge" sections trapezoid in shape fitting between the supports as to avoid heavily obstructed views. Similar to the last 6 rows of the half built Nou Mestalla in Valencia.

That would only add around 6500 seats. There's room to add another 1600 seats behind the last row of the small 2nd tier along the northern wing (the side dominated by suites)

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

60k seats at 50cm wide

reduce to 42cm wide


voila !!

 

[maskmcgee]

Still don't know why this isn't being built with 80,000 wiht expansion to 90,000. Adelaide Oval gets full every week and both those teams had about 50-55 thousand memebers last year. Eagles have 65k and Dockers 55k, sureley they would overfill this stadium every week?

Also before anyone says "they can' fill Subi" the crowds at AAMI were s**t, go look at them. Playing at AO has magically turned half full 30k into 50k each week.

 

[wal]

Still don't know why this isn't being built with 80,000 wiht expansion to 90,000. Adelaide Oval gets full every week and both those teams had about 50-55 thousand memebers last year. Eagles have 65k and Dockers 55k, sureley they would overfill this stadium every week?

Also before anyone says "they can' fill Subi" the crowds at AAMI were s**t, go look at them. Playing at AO has magically turned half full 30k into 50k each week.

Averaged 43k last year, played 2 finals there and didn't crack 50k in either.

 

[hitthepost]

Still don't know why this isn't being built with 80,000 wiht expansion to 90,000. Adelaide Oval gets full every week and both those teams had about 50-55 thousand memebers last year. Eagles have 65k and Dockers 55k, sureley they would overfill this stadium every week?

Also before anyone says "they can' fill Subi" the crowds at AAMI were s**t, go look at them. Playing at AO has magically turned half full 30k into 50k each week.

They don't sell AO out, they just get close most weeks. Plus from an image perspective a full house at 60k looks better, and puts a premium on the tix. The bigger the stadium the more it costs to maintain and also the more seats further away from the field, especially when you use an oval stadium for rectangular sports (minor issue given there's no permanent rugby/soccer tenant). AO at 53K I think has proven the perfect size for now and that would not have been just an arbitrary number - similarly PS's capacity would have been decided on for reasons.

 

[BartBart]

60k is fine

 

[Keys]

Even at 60k, most games won't be capacity. Anything over 70k would have been overkill and completely unnecessary

 

[RedV3x]

Still don't know why this isn't being built with 80,000 with expansion to 90,000.

Because Perth Stadium wasn't built for Australian (Rules) Football. It was built for football to pay the bills as much as possible and to gift other sports as much as possible. If it the stadium had been built as a gift to football it would have built with the idea of a large G.A. area to cater for as many fans as possible and it would have been handed to football to operate, but that is not the case. It's a luxury stadium, built along luxury lines to cater for the top end and gifted to other sports.

Let's see. Football was the only sport interested in being part of the new stadium and they're being shafted. Cricket said they wanted no part in the new stadium and now they're dictating what events will be played there. The rectangular sports have had a new rectangular stadium built for them which they cannot fill yet they are being gifted games at the new stadium. That stadium was built mainly for rugby union with the idea of attracting international followers to Perth. Not only didn't that work, but crowds have died and it's only a matter of time before P.R.S. doesn't have a rugby union tenant, yet the feedback is that both union and league will be PAID to use the new stadium despite "league" having no representation in Perth either.

 

[hitthepost]

It's like the MCG with 100k...it's almost unnecessary. Yes it's cool when the Grand Final attendance comes up as 100,005 or whatever but apart from the GF, how often does it really need more than 80K?

 

[Galileo9]

Still don't know why this isn't being built with 80,000 wiht expansion to 90,000. Adelaide Oval gets full every week and both those teams had about 50-55 thousand memebers last year. Eagles have 65k and Dockers 55k, sureley they would overfill this stadium every week?

Also before anyone says "they can' fill Subi" the crowds at AAMI were s**t, go look at them. Playing at AO has magically turned half full 30k into 50k each week.

Well u do know. Unnecessary, costs more and costs more to maintain. Clubs are not interested in maintaining stands that are empty. And government had to borrow money to build it.

People are also unlikely to want to sit further back and large sections of empty stadium makes for a shite atmospherr

 

[wal]

http://www.perthstadium.com.au/news-and-information/fact-sheets/seating-capacity


The Stadium’s capacity was determined following extensive consultation, research, analysis and benchmarking of other stadium capacities.

Perth Stadium will be the third largest capacity stadium in Australia with 13 different product options based on location and hospitality options.

Key considerations to determine the seating capacity:

• Over two years of research including consultation with all sporting codes that will use the Stadium.
• Creating a seating bowl that maximises atmosphere, giving every fan an exceptional view.
• Keeping fans as close to the on-field action as possible.
• Ensuring capacity is not too large to lose atmosphere for regular events.
• Forecast population growth for Perth.
• Historic and long term forecasts of attendances at regular season fixtures and international events.
• Up to 5,000 drop-in seats positioned on all four sides of the pitch for rectangular sports, increasing the capacity to up to 65,000 seats.
• Concerts to allow a capacity of 70,000.
• Designed to expand to 70,000 seats for AFL events within the existing structure when the demand warrants it.

Attendance statistics for AFL matches:

• Average attendance at Domain Stadium for AFL matches in 2014: 35,064
• Average attendance for all AFL matches across Australia in 2014: 32,333
• Highest attendance for an AFL match at Domain Stadium: 43,627
  (West Coast v Collingwood 14 September 2007)

 

[Kwality]

Still don't know why this isn't being built with 80,000 wiht expansion to 90,000. Adelaide Oval gets full every week and both those teams had about 50-55 thousand memebers last year. Eagles have 65k and Dockers 55k, sureley they would overfill this stadium every week?

Also before anyone says "they can' fill Subi" the crowds at AAMI were s**t, go look at them. Playing at AO has magically turned half full 30k into 50k each week.

The full quid?

 

[RedV3x]

It's like the MCG with 100k...it's almost unnecessary. Yes it's cool when the Grand Final attendance comes up as 100,005 or whatever but apart from the GF, how often does it really need more than 80K?

Enough times.
The difference is that the MCG is one of the most used high capacity stadiums in the world.
The next development for the MCG will be a roof not a down-size.
Now if you're talking Sydney, then a 70,000 stadium is more than enough.

 

[RedV3x]

Well u do know. Unnecessary, costs more and costs more to maintain.

That didn't deter the last government in ringing up a $2 billion bill.

Clubs are not interested in maintaining stands

Clubs don't maintain the stadium.

stands that are empty.

like the MCG model ?

And government had to borrow money to build it.

Hey, you don't have to remind us that the government took the most expensive option possible.

People are also unlikely to want to sit further back

fair comment on the likes of ANZ stadium but not the larger capacity MCG.

large sections of empty stadium makes for a shite atmospherr

fair comment on the likes of ANZ stadium but not the larger capacity MCG.

 

[RedV3x]

The Stadium’s capacity was determined following extensive consultation, research, analysis and benchmarking of other stadium capacities.

So what is the outcome of this extensive consultation, research, analysis and benchmarking of other stadium capacities ?
What model suggests building an oval for oval sports despite one sport stating they want no part of it and the other sport not being signed to commitment prior to construction commencement.
What strategist looks at the average attendances at a virtually season sellout location ?
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that Subiaco is full.
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that there is a substantial waiting list for Subiaco.
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that AFL derbies would create huge crowds.
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that Subiaco has very few good viewing seats the opposite of a new stadium.
An intelligent analyst would look at the A.O. model and appreciate the huge turnaround there in a much smaller city.
An intelligent analyst would look at the M.C.G. model and appreciate it it can cater for any event when called upon.

What looney suggested going down the event's model path knowing the difficulties in getting tourists of any kind to Perth.
What looney worried about a puny 5,000 extra seats at sports that currently cannot generate crowds here in Perth ?

 

[Galileo9]

That didn't deter the last government in ringing up a $2 billion bill.




Clubs don't maintain the stadium.



like the MCG model ?



Hey, you don't have to remind us that the government took the most expensive option possible.



fair comment on the likes of ANZ stadium but not the larger capacity MCG.



fair comment on the likes of ANZ stadium but not the larger capacity MCG.

Do u know what u r banging on about?. This is perth stadium not Anz nor mcg

 

[Kwality]

So what is the outcome of this extensive consultation, research, analysis and benchmarking of other stadium capacities ?
What model suggests building an oval for oval sports despite one sport stating they want no part of it and the other sport not being signed to commitment prior to construction commencement.
What strategist looks at the average attendances at a virtually season sellout location ?
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that Subiaco is full.
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that there is a substantial waiting list for Subiaco.
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that AFL derbies would create huge crowds.
An intelligent analyst would look the fact that Subiaco has very few good viewing seats the opposite of a new stadium.
An intelligent analyst would look at the A.O. model and appreciate the huge turnaround there in a much smaller city.
An intelligent analyst would look at the M.C.G. model and appreciate it it can cater for any event when called upon.

What looney suggested going down the event's model path knowing the difficulties in getting tourists of any kind to Perth.
What looney worried about a puny 5,000 extra seats at sports that currently cannot generate crowds here in Perth ?

Clearly you missed out on the gig as 'an intelligent analyst'. Did you see the horse, it bolted !!

 

[RedV3x]

This is perth stadium not Anz nor mcg

Anyone with enough intelligence to know when to capitalize would know that the 100,000 seat M.C.G. has good viewing,
that the A.N.Z. has a lot of poor viewing seats and increasing the size of Perth Stadium would not impinge on viewing
and if it did impinge on viewing then it would be only those additional seats.
It's all about design. Obviously it is possible to build an 80,000 seat stadium with great viewing.

 

[RedV3x]

Clearly ...

You don't see the folly in looking at average attendances in a stadium that is essentially sold out.
What is the point at looking at Subiaco other than to say look at how many attended this stadium in spite of it's limitations ?
Nobody can predict how people are going to value the sudden appearance of all these good viewing seats.
IMO, if prices remain the same, I would estimate the 40,000 of Subiaco truly appreciating the better viewing plus the 10,000 on waiting lists.
In addition I would see a number of people coming aboard due to the initial excitement and a modest increase in visiting support.

If you are going to quote statistics, post meaningful statistics.

 

[Kwality]

You don't see the folly in looking at average attendances in a stadium that is essentially sold out.
What is the point at looking at Subiaco other than to say look at how many attended this stadium in spite of it's limitations ?
Nobody can predict how people are going to value the sudden appearance of all these good viewing seats.
IMO, if prices remain the same, I would estimate the 40,000 of Subiaco truly appreciating the better viewing plus the 10,000 on waiting lists.
In addition I would see a number of people coming aboard due to the initial excitement and a modest increase in visiting support.

If you are going to quote statistics, post meaningful statistics.

What irrelevant stats did I miss ...

 

[RedV3x]

What irrelevant stats did I miss ...

You included a whole lot of irrelevant stats.
What irrelevant stats did you miss ? Not a lot.

 

[wadistance]

Still don't know why this isn't being built with 80,000 wiht expansion to 90,000. Adelaide Oval gets full every week and both those teams had about 50-55 thousand memebers last year. Eagles have 65k and Dockers 55k, sureley they would overfill this stadium every week?

Also before anyone says "they can' fill Subi" the crowds at AAMI were s**t, go look at them. Playing at AO has magically turned half full 30k into 50k each week.

Are you aware of the supply v demand rule?