Opinion The new Polec trade thread (deal done!)

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There was reporting in the media that St Kilda were also going to swap what was pick 21 for 19 with Hawthorn once the compo picks were handed out as part of the McEvoy trade. If that still goes ahead they will have 3+18+19+25.

The other question is how many picks do GWS need? After 22 they're basically out of the draft, so it would be in their interests to trade 21 and 22 for 14 if they only need 3 picks. Effectively for them they would be trading 21 for 14.
 

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Rucci did make it sound like we were progressing with Gold Coast

Would've had to put that on the back burner after compo picks and pick 23 for crows

And maybe start from scratch with gws and saints

How long to create a new deal idk
 
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Rucci did make it sound like we were progressing with Gold Coast

Would've had to put that on the back burner after compo picks and pick 23 for crows

And maybe start from scratch with gws and saints

How long to create a new deal idk
I suspect there is an in-principle deal in place now, too late to action on Friday because it would have to have been finalised after all the compo picks were announced. They'll sort it over the weekend and announce on Monday.

They wouldn't be starting from scratch, probably up to 3 scenarios would have been organised waiting for the compo picks to be announced. Rucci made it clear more than one club was interested in Port's offer. This time he was probably right.
 

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This whole Polec deal is starting to get very messy. Port must somehow retain a pick in the top 15-19. Brissie and the crows have played the game very smart.
A pick in the mid 20s for Polec is what the stringbean is worth.
 

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I suspect there is an in-principle deal in place now, too late to action on Friday because it would have to have been finalised after all the compo picks were announced. They'll sort it over the weekend and announce on Monday.

They wouldn't be starting from scratch, probably up to 3 scenarios would have been organised waiting for the compo picks to be announced. Rucci made it clear more than one club was interested in Port's offer. This time he was probably right.

I understand now why the varcoe rumours popped up and the logic/strategy behind hem

Esp if we go with the suns as trading partners

Think the team saw how the picks were going to be pushed back lowering their overall drafting value in a 25 man draft

And (allegedly as per ruci) chose then to use them all: ie 18 to 20 for polec, 23 to 27 and 30 to 34 for varcoe

Leaving the team with only courtesy picks in the 4h round
 
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I understand now why the varcoe rumours popped up and the logic/strategy behind hem

Esp if we go with the suns as trading partners

Think the team saw how the picks were going to be pushed back lowering their overall drafting value in a 25 man draft

And (allegedly as per ruci) to use them all: ie 18 to 20 for polec, 23 to 27 and 30 to 34 for varcoe

Leaving the team with courtesy picks in the 4h round
Port will probably be thinking they're getting a first round pick in Polec with 3 years of development in him, so that covers the first round pick this year. Now he's in the last chance saloon you would expect him to really be fired up to prove a point.

I'm not a big fan of Varcoe but again Port might be thinking he's only 26 and is a better option than anyone in the mid-20s in this draft. It's a matter of whether Geelong will take that valuation for him. They've lost a lot of experience this year and not traded anyone in yet.

Or if we trade with GWS and get picks 21 and 22 give one, keep one.
 

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This whole Polec deal is starting to get very messy. Port must somehow retain a pick in the top 15-19. Brissie and the crows have played the game very smart.
A pick in the mid 20s for Polec is what the stringbean is worth.
Well they would have to convince Polec to agree to a trade to even broach the played it smart tag, in the meantime they have shopped around all and sundry, picked up a 32 year old & offloaded a club champion to get a Pick in the 20s...... hmm I would certainly hold off on the played it smart conclusion
 
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Ok, so we have...

Patrick Karnezis - Collingwood (pick #31?)
Elliot Yeo - West Coast (pick #28?)
Sam Docherty - Carlton (pick #33)
Billy Longer - St. Kilda (pick #25?)
Jared Polec - Port Adelaide (pick #34)

Am I in the ball park here?
Karnezis way too high, that pick is looking like going to West Coast as part of the first round swap trade. Yeo and Docherty about right, Longer should cost more than that - Brisbane would want 18 - but Saints could play the PSD card.

Can't see Polec being done for 34 but obviously would take it.
 
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Well they would have to convice Polec to agree to a trade to even broach the played it smart tag, in the meantime they have shopped around all and sundry, picked up a 32 year old & offloaded a club champion to get a Pick in the 20s...... hmm I would certainly hold off on the played it smart conclusion
I agree, Adelaide have done nothing smart this period. They've shopped players behind their back, chased a club champion out of the club, demonstrated to their playing group that a contract means nothing at Adelaide and torn their club culture. But hey, Sando is the messiah, right?
 

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I would think the Saints will need all their picks in the first two rounds to either draft or trade.

Gold Coast would do 14 for 20 and 27 etc. But I think the best better deal is trying to trade 14 for 21 and 22 with GSW.

GWS will be unlikely to use more than three picks in the draft 1, 2 and 14, especially as they have already added Mumford, with apparently Josh Hunt to come - as well as having the first pick in the Pre Season draft.

The only problem is if Collingwood doesn't add something extra to the Adams/ Shaw trade, meaning GWS may want to use one of their picks in the 20's for Shaw and look to trade Adams to Geelong etc. in a seperate deal...
 
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34 for Polec is an insulting offer which if Brisbane have any balls whatsoever they won't and shouldn't take. If we stick to that (which we won't) we'll have a Ben Jacobs situation on our hands, except there'll be a club who wants Polec and has picks that wouldn't be overs earlier than us in the draft.

Trading 14 for St Kilda's 18 and 24/5 or for GWS's 21 and 22 then on-trading the lower of those two picks to Brisbane is the way to go. Polec is easily worth that.
Now this is interesting. My memory might be rusty but last year when North offered their second round pick it was argued, quite strongly, that the onus was not on North to improve their offer, but on Port to find a third party. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the onus is again on Port to up the offer. Better yet, it's up to Port to up the offer to the point that it's higher than what's on offer for the other 4 players wanting out of Brisbane despite each and everyone of them having shown more in their AFL careers to date. Even Jacobs had shown more after 2 years than Polec has in 3.

What happens if Gold Coast or St. Kilda see no value in sacrificing a second round pick to improve their draft position by trading with us? I honestly can't see St. Kilda accepting a pick #14 for #18 + #25 deal, I imagine they'll want to do #14 for #24 + #25. Gold Coast may do #14 for #20 + #27 which would suit us better if Brisbane accept #27 for Polec. Then there's the whole 'we won't be trading our first rounder unless it's for something extraordinary' line.

Irrespective, it seems like the two clubs are close to a deal. We've been reasonably good with our dealing lately so hopefully we don't completely ruin our draft position trying to get Polec in.
 
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Karnezis way too high, that pick is looking like going to West Coast as part of the first round swap trade. Yeo and Docherty about right, Longer should cost more than that - Brisbane would want 18 - but Saints could play the PSD card.

Can't see Polec being done for 34 but obviously would take it.
Karnezis is hard to place, that pick #31 may yet go to West Coast for the Yeo trade. Collingwood is keen on Karnezis but if they trade out #10/#11 + #31 for West Coast's #6, they won't be left with much to bargain with. Yeah the Saints should give up #18 or #19 for Longer but I guess it depends on how tough they want to trade.
 
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Port - Polec & 25 (via StK)
StK - 14 & 34 (both via Port)
Bris - 18 (via StK)

Port Downgrade pick 14 to 25, lose 34 & gain Polec.
StK swap 18 & 25 for 14 & 34
Bris swap Polec for 18.

Or

Port - Polec & *25 (via StK)
StK - Longer & 14 (via Port)
Bris - 18 & 24 (both via StK)

*swap 25 for Stanley

Port Downgrade pick 14 to 25 & gain Polec.
StK effectively swap 18 for Longer and 24 & 25 for 14.
Bris swap Longer & Polec for 18 & 24. They come out the worst however both players not contracted and wishing to go home.
If we do go down the path of sacrificing our first round selection, we shouldn't need to sacrifice our second round selection as well. Pick #14 on its own should be enough for Polec + a pick in the 20s leaving pick #34 in tact for us.
 

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I would think the Saints will need all their picks in the first two rounds to either draft or trade.

Gold Coast would do 14 for 20 and 27 etc. But I think the best better deal is trying to trade 14 for 21 and 22 with GSW.

GWS will be unlikely to use more than three picks in the draft 1, 2 and 14, especially as they have already added Mumford, with apparently Josh Hunt to come - as well as having the first pick in the Pre Season draft.

The only problem is if Collingwood doesn't add something extra to the Adams/ Shaw trade, meaning GWS may want to use one of their picks in the 20's for Shaw and look to trade Adams to Geelong etc. in a seperate deal...

thanks for the perspective

means there are question marks on 2 of our 3 hypothetical partners

gws still has to sort out Shaw/Adams

st kilda still has to sort out longer

gold coast may be only option but means no pick in the first 25.

Ranking trade partner preference
1. St Kilda
2. GWS
3. Gold Coast

Better yet, it's up to Port to up the offer to the point that it's higher than what's on offer for the other 4 players wanting out of Brisbane despite each and everyone of them having shown more in their AFL careers to date. Even Jacobs had shown more after 2 years than Polec has in 3.
The difference is we have a really, REALLY BITTER cross town rival as exemplified by Master Twiggy

In a similar trade scenario out west - there's not one peep out of Freo looking to undercut the Eagles
 
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