Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[Del191229]

We sometimes forget just how insanely brutal the war in Ireland was.

 

[Del191229]

 

[Chadwiko]

Funny how this kind of thing is never levied against Russia as "escalating" the conflict, but any time there's a new round of military support announced from Europe or US or Australia to Ukraine, it's "dangerous".

 

[Chadwiko]

"But Russia isn't flattening cities like Israel is in Gaza"

Yes, they are. And both are as bad as each other.

 

[Del191229]

"But Russia isn't flattening cities like Israel is in Gaza"

Yes, they are. And both are as bad as each other.

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This is utterly disingenuous.

Those places have been flattened during fighting between Ukraine and Russia. Ukranian weapons have contributed to that destruction too.

Israel has flattened Gaza's civilians facilities, remorselessly.

Hamas does not have tanks, or an air force, or advanced missiles like Ukraine does.

Also Ukraine can retreat from cities, it CHOOSES to fight in its cities.

The Gazans can't retreat anywhere.

Yet again your hard right wing worldview comes out.

In this case, you're justifying Israeli genocide while doing it.

 

[Del191229]

This is good

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/patriot-wing-january-6-rioters-insurrectionists-jail-cell-block.html

 

[Del191229]

No sorry Chadwiko you don't get to disagree emoji on this.

What you posted is disgusting genocide denial every bit as bad as Holocaust denial.

You're being called out on it.

Delete that awful crap now.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[Chadwiko]

No sorry Chadwiko you don't get to disagree emoji on this.

LOL I absolutely do, and I'll tell you why;

You sitting there and calling anyone else "disingenuous" on the topic of Russia's invasion of Ukraine is hilarious hypocrisy.

You shift the goalposts and contort yourself in mental gymnastics endlessly in transparent efforts to position yourself as "correct" on all matters of Russia, despite the readily apparent evidence.

First it was "Russia isn't going to invade!", then it was "Well, Russia will be in Kyiv within two weeks", then it was "Well, Russia is winning anyway without Kyiv, this will be over soon", then it was "America and Europe will be withdrawing support", then it was "Russia is winning the war of attrition", then it was "Ukraine will never take Russian territory", then it was "Russia is definitely winning, despite still being in Ukraine two years later!" then it was "Russia's economy is absolutely fine and the sanctions have failed", then it was "Russia doesn't need external troops or military support", then it was "actually it's good that Russia is using North Korean military resources", then it was "Ukraine are definitely losing"... etc etc.

You declaring a victory for Russia is a fortnightly occurrence these days. You can set your watch to it.

(And before you do what you always do and try and derail an argument that you know you're losing by bogging it down in semantics and distractions - the above are examples of paraphrasing. I'm not saying those are direct quotes).

And part of your ongoing campaign of disingenuous bullshit is the notion all along that Russia's invasion has been restrained, and moderate, and downright 'civilised'. Russia are the good guys, and they'd never flatten cities! Which has been absolute nonsense right from the beginning of this conflict and what we saw in Mariupol, but was worth repeating in here today with those photos I shared from Vovchansk.

You sit there and you try and position yourself as this champion of the downtrodden and the victims of the war crimes Israel is committing against Gaza, but do so in the context of not only constantly excusing but actively cheerleading Russia doing similar things in Ukraine.

This notion that Ukraine "choose to fight in cities" and that "Ukrainian weapons have contributed to the destruction!" is laughably pathetic in terms of an attempted justification. You're utterly incapable of ever holding Russia accountable for the atrocities that are happening in this conflict, and it's patently obvious for everyone to see any time they come into this thread. Your name is literally a joke on this website because of it (well, that, and because of how thoroughly you embarrassed yourself under previous usernames, necessitating the constant changes so you don't get laughed out of every conversation you try and insert yourself into).

What you posted is disgusting genocide denial every bit as bad as Holocaust denial.

No, it's not. And you of all people don't get to sit there and act the virtuous champion of what is and isn't 'okay' in these regards. Nice try, but absolutely not.

 

[the big lebowski]

LOL I absolutely do, and I'll tell you why;

You sitting there and calling anyone else "disingenuous" on the topic of Russia's invasion of Ukraine is hilarious hypocrisy.

You shift the goalposts and contort yourself in mental gymnastics endlessly in transparent efforts to position yourself as "correct" on all matters of Russia, despite the readily apparent evidence.

First it was "Russia isn't going to invade!", then it was "Well, Russia will be in Kyiv within two weeks", then it was "Well, Russia is winning anyway without Kyiv, this will be over soon", then it was "America and Europe will be withdrawing support", then it was "Russia is winning the war of attrition", then it was "Ukraine will never take Russian territory", then it was "Russia is definitely winning, despite still being in Ukraine two years later!" then it was "Russia's economy is absolutely fine and the sanctions have failed", then it was "Russia doesn't need external troops or military support", then it was "actually it's good that Russia is using North Korean military resources", then it was "Ukraine are definitely losing"... etc etc.

You declaring a victory for Russia is a fortnightly occurrence these days. You can set your watch to it.

(And before you do what you always do and try and derail an argument that you know you're losing by bogging it down in semantics and distractions - the above are examples of paraphrasing. I'm not saying those are direct quotes).

And part of your ongoing campaign of disingenuous bullshit is the notion all along that Russia's invasion has been restrained, and moderate, and downright 'civilised'. Russia are the good guys, and they'd never flatten cities! Which has been absolute nonsense right from the beginning of this conflict and what we saw in Mariupol, but was worth repeating in here today with those photos I shared from Vovchansk.

You sit there and you try and position yourself as this champion of the downtrodden and the victims of the war crimes Israel is committing against Gaza, but do so in the context of not only constantly excusing but actively cheerleading Russia doing similar things in Ukraine.

This notion that Ukraine "choose to fight in cities" and that "Ukrainian weapons have contributed to the destruction!" is laughably pathetic in terms of an attempted justification. You're utterly incapable of ever holding Russia accountable for the atrocities that are happening in this conflict, and it's patently obvious for everyone to see any time they come into this thread. Your name is literally a joke on this website because of it (well, that, and because of how thoroughly you embarrassed yourself under previous usernames, necessitating the constant changes so you don't get laughed out of every conversation you try and insert yourself into).




No, it's not. And you of all people don't get to sit there and act the virtuous champion of what is and isn't 'okay' in these regards. Nice try, but absolutely not.

Come on mate.

You know the Warlord is the moral leader of the world.

He will tell you which genocide, murders, rapes are ok and which aren’t. He’s also got an echo chamber possy in here that can tell you how great Russia, Iran, radical Islam, etc etc are. So feel free to learn how you’re wrong from them too.

Fall in line or you’ll get the wrath of his lololololololo’s

 

[Chadwiko]

Come on mate.

You know the Warlord is the moral leader of the world.

That's certainly what he sees when he looks in the mirror, I'm sure.

The only true "left" is the left as he defines it!

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[Chadwiko]

Just waiting for the dudes in this thread to be as passionate and vocal about Trump's clearly senile brain in the same way they were about Biden...

 

[Del191229]

LOL I absolutely do, and I'll tell you why;

You sitting there and calling anyone else "disingenuous" on the topic of Russia's invasion of Ukraine is hilarious hypocrisy.

You shift the goalposts and contort yourself in mental gymnastics endlessly in transparent efforts to position yourself as "correct" on all matters of Russia, despite the readily apparent evidence.

First it was "Russia isn't going to invade!", then it was "Well, Russia will be in Kyiv within two weeks", then it was "Well, Russia is winning anyway without Kyiv, this will be over soon", then it was "America and Europe will be withdrawing support", then it was "Russia is winning the war of attrition", then it was "Ukraine will never take Russian territory", then it was "Russia is definitely winning, despite still being in Ukraine two years later!" then it was "Russia's economy is absolutely fine and the sanctions have failed", then it was "Russia doesn't need external troops or military support", then it was "actually it's good that Russia is using North Korean military resources", then it was "Ukraine are definitely losing"... etc etc.

You declaring a victory for Russia is a fortnightly occurrence these days. You can set your watch to it.

(And before you do what you always do and try and derail an argument that you know you're losing by bogging it down in semantics and distractions - the above are examples of paraphrasing. I'm not saying those are direct quotes).

And part of your ongoing campaign of disingenuous bullshit is the notion all along that Russia's invasion has been restrained, and moderate, and downright 'civilised'. Russia are the good guys, and they'd never flatten cities! Which has been absolute nonsense right from the beginning of this conflict and what we saw in Mariupol, but was worth repeating in here today with those photos I shared from Vovchansk.

You sit there and you try and position yourself as this champion of the downtrodden and the victims of the war crimes Israel is committing against Gaza, but do so in the context of not only constantly excusing but actively cheerleading Russia doing similar things in Ukraine.

This notion that Ukraine "choose to fight in cities" and that "Ukrainian weapons have contributed to the destruction!" is laughably pathetic in terms of an attempted justification. You're utterly incapable of ever holding Russia accountable for the atrocities that are happening in this conflict, and it's patently obvious for everyone to see any time they come into this thread. Your name is literally a joke on this website because of it (well, that, and because of how thoroughly you embarrassed yourself under previous usernames, necessitating the constant changes so you don't get laughed out of every conversation you try and insert yourself into).

OK whatever, your defence against me calling you out for genocide denial is some Nazi dipshits and/or Essendon supporters on here don't like me, whatever.

No, it's not. And you of all people don't get to sit there and act the virtuous champion of what is and isn't 'okay' in these regards. Nice try, but absolutely not.

What you did with that post was classic genocide denial, and exactly what the Holocaust deniers do.

What Israel is doing in Gaza is absolute genocide. It is.

You are denying that by comparing it to an ongoing war between two heavily armed powers.

Same as the original Holocaust deniers say the Jews died as a result of battle, or disease etc etc.

You're the contemporary equivalent of Holocaust denier.

Sorry if this hurts, but that's a you problem, not a me problem.

 

[tazaa]

I wish Palestine had the support of the West like Ukraine does

Maybe then they'd stand a chance

Chadwiko you linking the two or drawing the comparison is as shithouse as it gets

I dont even care what your reason is. Thats trash

 

[Chadwiko]

Chadwiko you linking the two or drawing the comparison is as shithouse as it gets

All you need to know is that the main difference between me and old comrade Warlord is that I think both the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Israel's atrocities in Gaza are evil, unjustifiable, and wholly the fault of the aggressor in both cases.

 

[DesertRoo]

All you need to know is that the main difference between me and old comrade Warlord is that I think both the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Israel's atrocities in Gaza are evil, unjustifiable, and wholly the fault of the aggressor in both cases.

When did both conflicts start?

 

[DesertRoo]

Amazing what's happening, massive shift from mbs saying Palestine has to accept they lost, what's changed I wonder....

 

[Liam Boy]

All you need to know is that the main difference between me and old comrade Warlord is that I think both the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Israel's atrocities in Gaza are evil, unjustifiable, and wholly the fault of the aggressor in both cases.

It's ridiculous to imply that they're equal. For as unjustifiable as their invasion is, Russia is not a settler colony built on stolen Ukrainian land, they're not enacting a final solution on a largely defenseless civilian population that's been systemically rounded up over decades into a giant concentration camp. They're just not the same thing. And implying that they are reads like an attempt to downplay the extent of Israel's historic and ongoing crimes against humanity. FWIW I doubt you meant it that way.

 

[Del191229]

Come on mate.

You know the Warlord is the moral leader of the world.

He will tell you which genocide, murders, rapes are ok and which aren’t. He’s also got an echo chamber possy in here that can tell you how great Russia, Iran, radical Islam, etc etc are. So feel free to learn how you’re wrong from them too.

Fall in line or you’ll get the wrath of his lololololololo’s

I rarely bring morality into it.

Reality is Russia hasn't deliberately exterminated 5-10 per cent of Ukraine's population.

Russia's war in Ukraine is many things, but it is not a war of extermination.

Israel is conducting a genocidal campaign of extermination in Gaza. They are very open about it too, at the highest levels of government.

That's the difference.

 

[the big lebowski]

I rarely bring morality into it.

Reality is Russia hasn't deliberately exterminated 5-10 per cent of Ukraine's population.

Russia's war in Ukraine is many things, but it is not a war of extermination.

Israel is conducting a genocidal campaign of extermination in Gaza. They are very open about it too, at the highest levels of government.

That's the difference.

There’s a whole lot of differences but at the end of the day it’s killing people vs killing people.

It’s complex for sure.

But Hamas was voted in by the people of Gaza.

Hamas has a mission statement of “kill Jews” - note not Israeli’s. That’s a motto that your hated avoz scum would jerk off to.

I digress. So Hamas send an army into Israel. They indiscriminately murder men, women, children. They rape, they mutilate, they kidnap.

That seems to make a few on here really happy. At least by the way murder, rape, kidnapping is reasoned and rationalised away by those that like seeing Israeli’s suffer (Jews?).

Israel responds with shock and awe death and destruction. They take names across the entire region and obliterate their enemies.

Meanwhile you have Russia. Invades a sovereign country.

They also bomb residential areas en masse. They have torture chambers. They shoot old men on bikes. They rape women. They blow up critical infrastructure. Including hospitals filled with children.

They did this not because Hamas (Ukraine) came into their land to rape, torture and mutilate. They did it because they wanted to prove how strong they were. This is what happens when little countries don’t listen to us and do what we say.

Literally not one Russian was killed on Russian soil by a Ukrainian. Not one Russian woman was r*ped by a Ukrainian. No Russian children were slaughtered with grenades like
Hamas Heroes did.

They faced no ACTUAL threat. There was no nato application for
Ukraine. infact nato was actually a dying organisation.

Anyway, I don’t want to get into an argument.

Suffice to say if god came down from “heaven” to punish sinners for killing people, your mate would be right up there next to Netanyahu getting eternal damnation in hell. As would a whole host of Russian murderers and your cheer leading wouldn’t help any.

 

[andana]

Hamas has a mission statement of “kill Jews

One of them is by Nissim Vaturi, member of the Israeli Parliament, where he is Deputy Speaker. Although, according to Israeli TV Channel 12, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has in recent days called on politicians to choose “their words carefully” so as not to give ammunition ahead of the hearing in The Hague, Vaturi on Wednesday reaffirmed his calls to “wipe Gaza off the face of the earth,” and added: “Gaza must be burned.” “I stand behind my words... It is better to burn down buildings rather than have [Israeli] soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there,” he said in a radio interview before calling for the “elimination” of the estimated 100,000 Palestinians left in northern Gaza. “I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them,” added Vaturi, who belongs to Likud, the right-wing party led by Netanyahu.

.........

Knesset member and former Public Diplomacy Minister Galit Distal Atbaryan posted on Facebook that Israeli officials must invest all their energy "in one thing: erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth."

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Israeli parliament member and law-maker Ayelet Shaked has stigmatized all Palestinians as terrorists, wishing death on all Palestinians while supporting the Israeli military assault

 

[the big lebowski]

One of them is by Nissim Vaturi, member of the Israeli Parliament, where he is Deputy Speaker. Although, according to Israeli TV Channel 12, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has in recent days called on politicians to choose “their words carefully” so as not to give ammunition ahead of the hearing in The Hague, Vaturi on Wednesday reaffirmed his calls to “wipe Gaza off the face of the earth,” and added: “Gaza must be burned.” “I stand behind my words... It is better to burn down buildings rather than have [Israeli] soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there,” he said in a radio interview before calling for the “elimination” of the estimated 100,000 Palestinians left in northern Gaza. “I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them,” added Vaturi, who belongs to Likud, the right-wing party led by Netanyahu.

.........

Knesset member and former Public Diplomacy Minister Galit Distal Atbaryan posted on Facebook that Israeli officials must invest all their energy "in one thing: erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth."

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Israeli parliament member and law-maker Ayelet Shaked has stigmatized all Palestinians as terrorists, wishing death on all Palestinians while supporting the Israeli military assault

Yes there are many right wing crazies in the Israeli cabinet and across the country as a whole. I’m unsure of what level of support this way of thinking has across the country.

What is the support like for Hamas in Gaza?

Given that Hamas mission statement is to kill Jews, and let the tree hiding the Jew yell out “there is a Jew here” quick kill it. Given that Hamas state their aim is to kill Jews, and they are clearly good at it (see Oct 7 2023).

What do the people of Gaza think about this group that they elected?

Edit: googling things works just as well as asking

Gazans increasingly back a two-state solution, as support for Hamas drops

Support for a two-state solution nearly doubled in Gaza, as fewer back “armed struggle” for an independent Palestinian state.

www.nbcnews.com

So around 34% of Gaza support Hamas post oct 7. Down 13% since oct 7.

So would that mean that 47% of Gaza population would like to kill a Jew hiding behind a tree?

I wonder what % of Australians would like to wipe out another country who elected leadership whose stated aim was to kill any Australian hiding behind a tree and had 47% support to do that?

Hopefully we never have to find out

Edit 2: around 50% of Israelis support a two state solution that would see those that want to murder them for being Jews, given their own country

As international support for an independent Palestine grows, here’s what Israelis and Palestinians now think of the two-state solution

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is opposed to a two-state solution, but many ordinary Israelis and Palestinians don’t feel the same way.

theconversation.com

 

[Chadwiko]

Hamas is bad.
Ultra-nationalist Israeli's are bad.
All Nazis are bad.
Bibi is bad.
Putin is bad.
Hezbollah is bad.
Orban is bad.
Lukashenko is bad.
Trump is bad.

There. My positions are clarified. Glad that's settled.