Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[Chadwiko]

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If you want to understand the anti Western attitude of groups like Hezbollah think about their experience of Western politics and organisations since the end of WW2. It doesn't paint us in a very good light.

Yeah sorry ferbs. Giving you the benefit of the doubt here and taking your reply in good faith, but I'm not going to sit here and entertain any sort of attempt at an intellectual exercise that provides justification or excuses for Hezbollah.

Even other Islamic Middle Eastern nations like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, (etc etc) all view Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation and oppose them.

They aren't oppressed freedom fighters trying to clear colonialists from their homeland or anything. They're just terrorists.

 

[Chadwiko]

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Why are you complaining? This is exactly what you've aligned yourself with.

Trump = supports Putin and Russia
Elon = supports Putin and Russia
JD Vance = supports Putin and Russia
David Sacks, Peter Thiel, and the other far-right tech oligarchs who arranged for JD Vance to get the VP spot = supports Putin and Russia
All the Russian Twitter bots pushing for Trump = supports Putin and Russia

It's weird that you complain about this when you so readily and enthusiastically embrace their core policy position.

But go on, tell us again how the concept of Russian election interference is a conspiracy theory without basis.

 

[Del191229]

Yeah sorry ferbs. Giving you the benefit of the doubt here and taking your reply in good faith, but I'm not going to sit here and entertain any sort of attempt at an intellectual exercise that provides justification or excuses for Hezbollah.

OK, so people aren't allowed to resist invasion by bigger stronger neighbours. Vale your support for Ukraine.

Even other Islamic Middle Eastern nations like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, (etc etc) all view Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation and oppose them.

Oh man.

Syria isn't an "Islamic country", its a secular dictatorship that's closely allied with Hezbollah.

Hezbollah literally saved the Syrian government from a jihadi overthrow. Hezbollah maintains a huge presence in Syria.

Iraq - a democracy(ish) dominated by Shia parties - is also very close with Hezbollah, indeed the Kaitab Hezbollah are one of the most powerful political and armed forces in the country.

Please, I'm begging you, gain even a basic understanding of these issues before picking big fights.

They aren't oppressed freedom fighters trying to clear colonialists from their homeland or anything. They're just terrorists.

Thanks Bibi.

You seem to think any Arab near Israel is just a terrorist don't you?

 

[Del191229]

Why are you complaining? This is exactly what you've aligned yourself with.

Trump = supports Putin and Russia
Elon = supports Putin and Russia
JD Vance = supports Putin and Russia
David Sacks, Peter Thiel, and the other far-right tech oligarchs who arranged for JD Vance to get the VP spot = supports Putin and Russia
All the Russian Twitter bots pushing for Trump = supports Putin and Russia

It's weird that you complain about this when you so readily and enthusiastically embrace their core policy position.

But go on, tell us again how the concept of Russian election interference is a conspiracy theory without basis.

Man, not everyone sees everything with Putin as the only actor in the world, I understand you get hyperfocused on shit and struggle to see or comprehend wider context, and that's OK.

Others see the world differently, you don't have to shout us all down all the time. Its OK.

It is also telling you think people like Vance and Thiel have "supporting Putin and Russia" as their "core policy position".

Bro, they're fascists who want to take over the US - that's the core policy position and why they're dangerous.

 

[Chadwiko]

Please, I'm begging you, gain even a basic understanding of these before picking big fights.

Yeahhhh my understanding of the situation is just fine, thanks.

March 2016
Arab League foreign ministers declared Lebanon’s Shiite movement Hezbollah a “terrorist” group at a meeting of Council of the Arab League in Cairo on Friday.

“The Arab League foreign minister’s committee has decided on Friday to consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization,” said a statement issued at the end of the 145th session of the Council of the Arab League in Cairo on Friday.

Bahrain’s Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammed Mubarak Sayar said there was a consensus on the decision but Lebanon and Iraq had reservations about it.

The Council has condemned “provocative statements by Iranian officials against Arab countries” and called on Tehran to stop these “hostile and provocative remarks and anti-Arab media campaigns.” The Council considered these acts as “flagrant interferences into internal affairs of these states.”

The Council said that Hezbollah, along with the Iranian revolutionary guard corps, financed and trained terrorist groups in Bahrain.

The Council demanded Iran to refrain from pursuing policies that feed sectarian disputes, and support groups that fuel these disputes in the Arabian Gulf states. It also called on Iran to stop supporting and financing armed militias and parties in the Arab countries.

The Syrian Coalition welcomed the Arab Gulf states’ designation of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

 

[Del191229]

Yeahhhh my understanding of the situation is just fine, thanks.

March 2016
Arab League foreign ministers declared Lebanon’s Shiite movement Hezbollah a “terrorist” group at a meeting of Council of the Arab League in Cairo on Friday.

“The Arab League foreign minister’s committee has decided on Friday to consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization,” said a statement issued at the end of the 145th session of the Council of the Arab League in Cairo on Friday.

Bahrain’s Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammed Mubarak Sayar said there was a consensus on the decision but Lebanon and Iraq had reservations about it.

The Council has condemned “provocative statements by Iranian officials against Arab countries” and called on Tehran to stop these “hostile and provocative remarks and anti-Arab media campaigns.” The Council considered these acts as “flagrant interferences into internal affairs of these states.”

The Council said that Hezbollah, along with the Iranian revolutionary guard corps, financed and trained terrorist groups in Bahrain.

The Council demanded Iran to refrain from pursuing policies that feed sectarian disputes, and support groups that fuel these disputes in the Arabian Gulf states. It also called on Iran to stop supporting and financing armed militias and parties in the Arab countries.

The Syrian Coalition welcomed the Arab Gulf states’ designation of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

Bro that's from 2016, the height of the ... Syrian War.

The Syrian Coalition are a bunch of losers who now sit in Qatar having lost the war.

Sure, the dictatorial Sunni regimes that host military bases like Bahrain and Saudi hate them ... because they won the Syrian War.

Again, please don't pick big fights about issues you don't understand.

 

[Chadwiko]

Again, please don't pick big fights about issues you don't understand.

I understand just fine; whenever there's an opportunity for you to side with Russia, you do so without fail.

This is just another example, "bro".

You think you're slick. You're not. You're incredibly transparent.

 

[Val Keating]

#meto unless you’re a Jew right

Imagine not believing rape survivors based on their ethnicity

Some lowwwwwwwww people around these parts

Quick like the rape denial posts

Laughs at the women being r*ped and murders

that’ll show dem Jews

Sorry, I can’t let that slide.

Criticising what Israel is doing is in no shape or form antisemitic.

I despise that because it’s what some of the most despicable people do to protect Israel from criticism.

 

[Del191229]

I understand just fine; whenever there's an opportunity for you to side with Russia, you do so without fail.

This is just another example, "bro".

You think you're slick. You're not. You're incredibly transparent.

This thread isn't - for me, yes, my interpretation - about posters "siding" with countries, it is about discussing the issues and events.

There's a range of reasons the "siding" worldview isn't for me.

The most important are that I understand that "sides" change all the time. Countries and leaders and movements and whatever else that are our "enemy" rapidly becomes allies, and vice versa.

Its why I love this meme so much, its the equivalent of the great political/war cartoons by the likes of Low



So picking "sides" is a dangerous business.

Also, my "side", tell me, what's "my side"?

It an Australian? Nah, I don't feel much attachment to that nasty colony.

Is it being a white male? Nah, not something I'm ashamed of but I'm not into that kind of identity politics.

I was raised Catholic in a very Irish diaspora way - that's certainly affected what "side" I take in certain global events.

Is it having - as you so Andrew Boltishly put it - a history of drug abuse? Yeah, that certainly makes me choose sides when it comes to highly political issues, we should have medically supervised injecting rooms, it makes me understand that some very powerful psychotropic substances like the amphetamines have perfectly sound medical uses.

What about you?

What's your "side"?

If you're not on Russia's side then by definition you're on the US "side" right?

What about personally, who's "side" are you on.

Forgive me for getting all philosophical, I've had some of the cannabis prescribed to me by a doctor.

(You used to be supportive of that, but it appears your position has changed btw. Or maybe just for me lol).

 

[Del191229]

Sorry, I can’t let that slide.

Criticising what Israel is doing is in no shape or form antisemitic.

I despise that because it’s what some of the most despicable people do to protect Israel from criticism.

As always, the accusation is a confession, Israel runs systemic sexual abuse as torture prisons.

They literally almost started a civil war over the right of soldiers to rape prisoners a few months back.

The "IDF soldiers should be allowed to keep raping prisoners" argument won ffs.

 

[ferball]

Yeah sorry ferbs. Giving you the benefit of the doubt here and taking your reply in good faith, but I'm not going to sit here and entertain any sort of attempt at an intellectual exercise that provides justification or excuses for Hezbollah.

Even other Islamic Middle Eastern nations like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, (etc etc) all view Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation and oppose them.

They aren't oppressed freedom fighters trying to clear colonialists from their homeland or anything. They're just terrorists.

Do you know anything about Lebanon?

 

[Chadwiko]

This thread isn't - for me, yes, my interpretation - about posters "siding" with countries, it is about discussing the issues and events.

That's what it could be if everyone was here engaging in good faith. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you come here with a clear and transparent agenda that you constantly push. You think you're getting away with it. You aren't.

There's a range of reasons the "siding" worldview isn't for me.

DawofPerception Reason #1: it's devastating for my agenda.

End list.

Its why I love this meme so much, its the equivalent of the great political/war cartoons by the likes of Low

a) No it's not
b) The reason you love it so much is because it's Russian propaganda that puts democratically elected Jewish-Ukrainian Zelenskyy alongside three literal dictators and a literal terrorst as if they are comparable somehow. It's actually extremely representative of your shithouse views on the subject.

So picking "sides" is a dangerous business.

And yet the only one picking sides consistently is you; and the 'side' you've picked is Russia.

What about you?

What's your "side"?

Don't have one. That's what frustrates you so much isn't it?

Forgive me for getting all philosophical, I've had some of the cannabis prescribed to me by a doctor.

(You used to be supportive of that, but it appears your position has changed btw. Or maybe just for me lol).

Still very supportive. Cannabis is barely a drug. And isn't what I was referring to.

 

[Val Keating]

As always, the accusation is a confession, Israel runs systemic sexual abuse as torture prisons.

They literally almost started a civil war over the right of soldiers to rape prisoners a few months back.

The "IDF soldiers should be allowed to keep raping prisoners" argument won ffs.

Not allowing Israelis to rape prisoners is pure antisemitism

 

[Chadwiko]

Not allowing Israelis to rape prisoners is pure antisemitism

Dismissing any atrocities committed by Hamas against Israeli's on Oct 7th is actually anti-semitism.

 

[Del191229]

Homeboy needs a a Bex snd a lie down

 

[Liam Boy]

Dismissing any atrocities committed by Hamas against Israeli's on Oct 7th is actually anti-semitism.

No one has dismissed any atrocities that were committed by Hamas. Obviously there were atrocities, killing of civilians, it's on video and is well known. What we push back against are specific claims of atrocities that have been either proven to be ficticious or were never evidenced, especially when those claims are used as justification for a genocide by pro-israeli officials and voices in the media.

I'm going to ask you again. Do you think what Israel is doing is a genocide, and if you don't, are you willing to stand by that position and defend it? Or are you just going to shrug the question off like it's meaningless and write up another 10 bullet point list of all the bad things in the world?

 

[DesertRoo]

Dismissing any atrocities committed by Hamas against Israeli's on Oct 7th is actually anti-semitism.

Anyone who committed those crimes should be brought to justice, what for you arresting Australians idf members who’ve engaged in genocide in gaza?

 

[Grogg]

 

[Val Keating]

Dismissing any atrocities committed by Hamas against Israeli's on Oct 7th is actually anti-semitism.

I never have. It was grotesque.

 

[Val Keating]

No one has dismissed any atrocities that were committed by Hamas. Obviously there were atrocities, killing of civilians, it's on video and is well known. What we push back against are specific claims of atrocities that have been either proven to be ficticious or were never evidenced, especially when those claims are used as justification for a genocide by pro-israeli officials and voices in the media.

I'm going to ask you again. Do you think what Israel is doing is a genocide, and if you don't, are you willing to stand by that position and defend it? Or are you just going to shrug the question off like it's meaningless and write up another 10 bullet point list of all the bad things in the world?

You only need to look at the posts he likes and the ones he ignores to get your answer

 

[Chadwiko]

I'm going to ask you again. Do you think what Israel is doing is a genocide?

I've said 'yes' to that many, many times.

 

[Liam Boy]

I've said 'yes' to that many, many times.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I'm not in this thread all the time and I found the way you seemed to be skirting around directly saying it alarming. Glad we're on the same page here.

 

[DesertRoo]

I've said 'yes' to that many, many times.

So if crimes of humanity have been committed, and long time precedent of there’s no such thing as just following orders, should we start looking at arresting Australian idf members who served in Gaza?

 

[Chadwiko]

So if crimes of humanity have been committed, and long time precedent of there’s no such thing as just following orders, should we start looking at arresting Australian idf members who served in Gaza?

I thought collective punishment was bad?

 

[Val Keating]

I thought collective punishment was bad?

That’s not an answer.