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[Val Keating]

I think Musk is a giant fraud way out of his depth who should stfu

He gave Ukraine back their internet after Russia shut it off. That’s something. Without that we wouldn’t be getting the messages out of Ukraine. Russian soldiers have been going house to house taking phones and laptops so they are obviously worried about the PR.

 

[Del191229]

No they wouldn’t kidnap kids.

Lol

 

[Val Keating]

Lol

Don’t be ridiculous. You know they’re not allowed to do that.

 

[ferball]

No they wouldn’t kidnap kids. There’s probably the odd psychopath that would but that’s it.

Don’t be naive, they wanted to take the kids hostage. You’ve spent all this time being disgusted about Azov, at least be equally disgusted at these guys. They have a history of kidnapping, torture and murder and rape.

Give me a list of their shit crimes and I'll definitely condemn them. I'm disgusted at Azov cos I've been following their existence foir years and they are scum. They were built from violent soccer hooligans originally.

The Chechens are sposed to have lists of people they are meant to capture or kill and they include the families of people like Zelensky. That's not on. Targeting a leaders family. Tho it seems to happen alot.

 

[ferball]

Also Val US forces "captured" kids who were younger than 12 and took them to Abu Ghraib in Iraq. That's kidnapping.

 

[Val Keating]

Give me a list of their sh*t crimes and I'll definitely condemn them. I'm disgusted at Azov cos I've been following their existence foir years and they are scum. They were built from violent soccer hooligans originally.

The Chechens are sposed to have lists of people they are meant to capture or kill and they include the families of people like Zelensky. That's not on. Targeting a leaders family. Tho it seems to happen alot.

Look it up. There’s loads of information. I did give you a list of crimes they’ve done. Torture, rape, murder. They’re pigs. Their favourite go to is cutting peoples heads off and putting them on display.

There’s a reason why Russia is using them. They can commit atrocities and Putin can say it wasn’t Russia that did it.

I know they’ve got a kill list. They’ve already had a failed assassination attempt on Zelenskyy but they were thwarted. Two of them were killed and a handful of others injured.

So on top of everything else, Putin has unleashed these terrorists onto the people of Ukraine.

 

[Val Keating]

Also Val US forces "captured" kids who were younger than 12 and took them to Abu Ghraib in Iraq. That's kidnapping.

I tried searching for that but all I get is stories about child soldiers. Do you have a link?

 

[ferball]

I tried searching for that but all I get is stories about child soldiers. Do you have a link?

Child Prisoners in America's War on Terror

Our Human Rights Hero reports on child prisoners in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and other "war on terror" prisons.

www.americanbar.org

That is just some of it. I honestly don't want to go looking for other links cos its ****ed up and depressing.

 

[Val Keating]

Child Prisoners in America's War on Terror

Our Human Rights Hero reports on child prisoners in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and other "war on terror" prisons.

www.americanbar.org

That is just some of it. I honestly don't want to go looking for other links cos its f’ed up and depressing.

That’s horrible. No mention of Navy SEAL’s kidnapping children though.

 

[ferball]

That’s horrible. No mention of Navy SEAL’s kidnapping children though.

In that link it mentions that the US military kidnapped Abed Hamed Mowhoush's children. It might not have been SeALs. Or it might have been. It doesn't matter. What matter's is a military unit appears to have been ordered to kidnap his kids and return them when he surrendered. (BTW if that was what the Chechaens were planning with that kindergarden that's ****ed and they are scum just so we're clear about that.) If SEALs were ordered to do it they would have. They promised to hand them over if he'd surrender. He surrendered then died during torture. That is one documented case.

BTW His kids were returned immediately on his surrender and afaik unharmed. I dunno if their lives were threatened or they were just threatened with detention till he surrendered.

The soldiers involved in the kidnapping never faced any issues legally even tho the ones responsible for his death did face trial and maybe were convicted. That implies the kidnapping was condoned. And there are plenty of other reports of children in Abu Ghraib, detained by US military, sometimes with their mum, sometimes not.

I haven't mentioned some of the things that happened to them cos they're frankly disgusting and horrible.

 

[Val Keating]

This Russian television editor who held up a sign saying “stop the war” “they’re lying to you” on Russian television has been arrested. She’s facing many years in jail. That’s bravery.

 

[Val Keating]

In that link it mentions that the US military kidnapped Abed Hamed Mowhoush's children. It might not have been SeALs. Or it might have been. It doesn't matter. What matter's is a military unit appears to have been ordered to kidnap his kids and return them when he surrendered. (BTW if that was what the Chechaens were planning with that kindergarden that's f’ed and they are scum just so we're clear about that.) If SEALs were ordered to do it they would have. They promised to hand them over if he'd surrender. He surrendered then died during torture. That is one documented case.

BTW His kids were returned immediately on his surrender and afaik unharmed. I dunno if their lives were threatened or they were just threatened with detention till he surrendered.

The soldiers involved in the kidnapping never faced any issues legally even tho the ones responsible for his death did face trial and maybe were convicted. That implies the kidnapping was condoned. And there are plenty of other reports of children in Abu Ghraib, detained by US military, sometimes with their mum, sometimes not.

I haven't mentioned some of the things that happened to them cos they're frankly disgusting and horrible.

Yeah the stuff that went on there was pure evil, especially when Saddam ran it.

 

[ferball]

Yeah the stuff that went on there was pure evil, especially when Saddam ran it.

I don't even want to think about how bad that was cos the stuff that's documented when the Yanks did is bad enough. And even at the time they were talking about how much worse Saddam was, while the US president was suppressing images of sexual assault of men, women and kids.

And its believable. I told you about those photos I saw from S America. Nothing the US did comes close to that, and they tortured people to death. Not just at Abu Ghraib but all over the world during their extraordinary rendition program.

For the same reasons Putin uses Chechens. So they could say "at least it wasn't us that did the horrible stuff".

 

[DesertRoo]

That’s horrible. No mention of Navy SEAL’s kidnapping children though.

the name you’re looking for is Kathryn Bolkovac.

 

[ferball]

the name you’re looking for is Kathryn Bolkovac.

Yeah, that's ****ed up.

 

[Val Keating]

the name you’re looking for is Kathryn Bolkovac.

Yeah that’s shocking. I still can’t find anything about Navy SEAL’s kidnapping children though. I’m not trying to downplay what happened there. I’m well aware of the atrocities committed by western soldiers, I don’t claim they’re the only military in the world that has fought in wars and not done evil things.

There’s loads of stories of rogue squads doing horrific stuff and when they get found out they get sent to jail.

 

[ferball]

What happened with DynCorp in Bosnia (then Afghanistan, where they were paying boys for lap dances) isn't the US military either. Its private contractors doing that. They may be former US military but they aren't current US military.

Even former Navy SEAL Prince's company, Blackwater, was a private company operating independently when it shot those 10 year old Iraqi kids.

 

[DesertRoo]

 

[Val Keating]

 

[Del191229]

 

[DesertRoo]

Im surprised they lasted this long, it was always going to end up in a gorilla warfare type situation.
then it just depends depends on at what cost is everyone willing to bare.

theres a fair chance russia wins the war but Putin becomes unpalatable to the masses back home.

the sino-russian relationship is going to be one of the most intriguing aspects, I can’t see many Russians favouring becoming a vassal state, even if it means they can holiday in Thailand.

Thousands of Russians stuck in Thailand as sanctions kick in

Thousands of tourists from Russia are currently stranded in Thailand, officials said on Tuesday, as unprecedented Western sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine put a squeeze on Russians struggling to find flights and finances.

www.reuters.com

 

[Eggs11]

Because we are part of the US imperium and our middle power status and rapidly diminishing international status as a mature democracy can be weaponised.

I understand the words, but not the logic. When it comes to being weaponised, I would have thought Australia’s yapping at China and Russia is the equivalent of shooting a BB gun at a tiger.

 

[ferball]

I understand the words, but not the logic. When it comes to being weaponised, I would have thought Australia’s yapping at China and Russia is the equivalent of shooting a BB gun at a tiger.

Australia has a coal sanction on it in China doesn't it? Hasn't that damaged their economy? Their economy already has issues and that is just one more pressure on it (... or so I've heard - honestly I wouldn't know how to test or assess that claim.)

 

[Val Keating]

The situation in Mariupol is bad. They have no food or water and can’t leave because the roads are mined or they’ll be shot.

Weekend - Ukraine war: Mariupol now 'too dangerous to leave' - BBC Sounds

There are dire food shortages and Russian forces are shooting cars that attempt to leave

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Val Keating]

The Ukrainians killed another major general.