Play Nice The NM Devils Chessboard thread.

[DesertRoo]

Is that real?

Cos if it is then WTF?

You can understand why the democrats fought tooth and nail to keep it a secret and why the republicans kicked off the weaponisation of the justice department committee.

 

[Chadwiko]

Is that real?

Cos if it is then WTF?

It's "real" but as always, the context has been twisted.

It's from after the crowd had died down and the rioters were being escorted/guided out of the building.

There's plenty of photos/footage you can see for yourself of the so-called QAnon Shaman when they broke into the building (see below). This "new footage" is easily debunked, but as always Tucker Carlson and the cooked-brain brigade don't do any critical thinking.

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[DesertRoo]

Hmm who to believe Chad, or the guy who has always claimed he was waved in by police officers, then was denied access to surveillance footage for his defence, then given four years.

 

[Chadwiko]

Hmm who to believe Chad, or the guy who has always claimed he was waved in by police officers

"Waved in by police officers".

Except these idiots literally recorded themselves breaking a window and jumping through to gain entry to the Capitol:




Also, he plead guilty.

 

[DesertRoo]

"Waved in by police officers".

Except these idiots literally recorded themselves breaking a window and jumping through to gain entry to the Capitol:




Also, he plead guilty.

If you haven’t realised that’s edited, courts don’t generally use it, Notice the missing pivotal moment in the footage, also how did they get in?
I’m starting to realise you like a secret court along with a two tiered society.

 

[Chadwiko]

Notice the missing pivotal moment in the footage, also how did they get in?

It's literally in the video.

1:10~ mark.

The rioters break a window and jump through. It very clearly shows Jake Angeli going through the window.

Use your brain.

 

[DesertRoo]

It's literally in the video.

1:10~ mark.

The rioters break a window and jump through. It very clearly shows Jake Angeli going through the window.

Use your brain.

He is standing on scaffolding, then is down on the ground, the window breaking isn’t where he enters, he enters through a door…
There’s literally edit points

 

[Chadwiko]

He is standing on scaffolding, then is down on the ground, the window breaking isn’t where he enters, he enters through a door…
There’s literally edit points

It's an external window.

 

[DesertRoo]

It's an external window.

The footage pans right. Check the height of the window they’re climbing into vs when they are walking through the door.

 

[DesertRoo]

French protests are in full swing, government wants to raise the age of retirement.

 

[giantroo]

This is huge for the region.

Major development: Iran and Saudi Arabia agreed to reestablish diplomatic relations and reopen embassies after years of tensions. The two countries released a joint statement with China on the deal, which apparently brokered the agreement.

 

[giantroo]

 

[ferball]

China wants a piece of that for sure.

 

[Val Keating]

Now I guess we hold our breath and wait and see what happens next. Hopefully it’s peace talks.

 

[Val Keating]

Meanwhile from a Whitehouse spokesman,

 

[ferball]

Meanwhile from a Whitehouse spokesman,



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I've been saying this since the start.

That doesn't mean that Putin is the good guy either. More that there just aren't any.

 

[Val Keating]

I've been saying this since the start.

That doesn't mean that Putin is the good guy either. More that there just aren't any.

Yeah I know what you mean. Putin is evil.

But it’s also evil for another country to say they won’t except peace talks when thousands of people are dying.

 

[Val Keating]

What do you disagree with Chadwiko ?

 

[Chadwiko]

What do you disagree with Chadwiko ?

Nothing that Antony Blinken said is incorrect, and it's being used by pro-Russian shills to try and show that the US is "warmongering" or something, conveniently forgetting that it was Russia who invaded a sovereign nation, unprovoked and unthreatened.

Any 'ceasefire' that doesn't include Russian forces falling back behind their own borders and leaving the sovereign territory of Ukraine would mean that you still have hostile forces occupying foreign lands - a clear violation of United Nations conventions as Secretary Blinken points out.

It is strategically advantageous to Russia and only Russia, so of course that's where the pro-Russian talking points are going.

No one wants an escalation of this conflict, so I don't begrudge people who are (literally) gun-shy and are looking for the quickest and easiest route to a cessation of hostilities.

But the simple fact remains - if this ends with Russia holding sovereign territory that was once Ukranian, then the world as a whole has utterly failed, and it will demonstrate that the fear of escalating conflicts outweighs the risk of aggressor hostility. This has huge ramifications for places such as Taiwan, Kashmir, etc.

 

[Val Keating]

Nothing that Antony Blinken said is incorrect, and it's being used by pro-Russian shills to try and show that the US is "warmongering" or something, conveniently forgetting that it was Russia who invaded a sovereign nation, unprovoked and unthreatened.

Any 'ceasefire' that doesn't include Russian forces falling back behind their own borders and leaving the sovereign territory of Ukraine would mean that you still have hostile forces occupying foreign lands - a clear violation of United Nations conventions as Secretary Blinken points out.

It is strategically advantageous to Russia and only Russia, so of course that's where the pro-Russian talking points are going.

No one wants an escalation of this conflict, so I don't begrudge people who are (literally) gun-shy and are looking for the quickest and easiest route to a cessation of hostilities.

But the simple fact remains - if this ends with Russia holding sovereign territory that was once Ukranian, then the world as a whole has utterly failed, and it will demonstrate that the fear of escalating conflicts outweighs the risk of aggressor hostility. This has huge ramifications for places such as Taiwan, Kashmir, etc.

Kind of agree, but the most important thing is stopping the war, and the boundary areas that Russia has annexed have gone back and forth for centuries.

 

[Val Keating]

Putin giving the territory he annexed back just isn’t going to happen. He does that and he might as well put a gun to his head and blow his brains out, the other powerful Russians wouldn’t except it.

It *en sucks but it is what it is.

 

[Eggs11]

Putin giving the territory he annexed back just isn’t going to happen. He does that and he might as well put a gun to his head and blow his brains out, the other powerful Russians wouldn’t except it.

It *en sucks but it is what it is.

This might be a really stupid idea, but I wonder whether it would work for Russia to ‘purchase’ from Ukraine the lands it now occupies. Then there are no winners and losers, the purchase price covers reparations, gives a way for all parties to de-escalate and could allow other conditions (like security guarantees) to be included. Domestically, Putin could claim he has successfully denazified or whatever his latest narrative is, Zelenskyy could claim success in gaining reparations and securing Ukraine’s security for generations through NATO guarantees.

Am I crazy?

 

[ferball]

Yeah I know what you mean. Putin is evil.

But it’s also evil for another country to say they won’t except peace talks when thousands of people are dying.

Putin is a campaigner.

He rose to power on the back of false flag terrorist incidents and had every journalist who investigated them murdered. Homophobic, racist, locked up a punk rock band for not liking the orthodox church.

But that doesn't mean the narrative we're fed about what led to this war is correct or that the US interfering in Ukraine for over a decade isn't a major driver of the war.

And acknowledging that doesn't mean the invasion is good or right. But people are religious about this.


People can think both things

 

[Val Keating]

This might be a really stupid idea, but I wonder whether it would work for Russia to ‘purchase’ from Ukraine the lands it now occupies. Then there are no winners and losers, the purchase price covers reparations, gives a way for all parties to de-escalate and could allow other conditions (like security guarantees) to be included. Domestically, Putin could claim he has successfully denazified or whatever his latest narrative is, Zelenskyy could claim success in gaining reparations and securing Ukraine’s security for generations through NATO guarantees.

Am I crazy?

It would work it you’re talking corporate business, but this is another level.

Think of it more like how gangsters operate.