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Alex Jones is one of the original creators of the YouTube crackhead generation...
he is certainly full of it, but I’d be interested to know what Dr Boyle’s motivation is here.
you just wouldn’t go on the Alex Jones show if you were trying to be credible.
 

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Alex Jones is one of the original creators of the YouTube crackhead generation...
he is certainly full of it, but I’d be interested to know what Dr Boyle’s motivation is here.
you just wouldn’t go on the Alex Jones show if you were trying to be credible.
During the interview he mentions that he said thus publicly and as a result no one in the MSM will talk to him and he us considered a kooky conspiracy theorist.

I wonder how much of what he talks about is not actually bioweapons research but is actually attempting to find ways to stop these viruses. To me that's a reasonable motivation for China's involvement in the NC Chapel Hill work, but of course all iof this stuff will be used for weapons. China has already had to deal with these outbreaks recently, has a long history of them and still has those markets and many places where human animal interactions happen in a context of high populations and densities of both and poor hygiene practises.

He is definitely not a supporter of the US regime. It's more likely he'd be on Jones' show 15 years ago than now IMO. (Back then Jones said most Muslims were being treated as patsies by the Bush admin, today he says they are evil.). He is not a big fan of us bioweapons programs or those level 4 facilities and says repeatedly thru the interviews that they are primarily weapons facilities and should be shut down, and the people overseeing these programs arrested under the legislation he wrote. So I think that is a big part of his motivation. The bio terrorism laws he drafted were passed over 30 years ago and if anything things are worse now than then.
 

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Not sure how Jared can intervene in sovereign Israeli parliamentary decisions like this.

Never bet against Intel people esp against grunts.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's main rival, Benny Gantz, was elected parliamentary speaker on Thursday in a surprise manoeuvre that could herald a unity government keeping the veteran leader in power.
 
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During the interview he mentions that he said thus publicly and as a result no one in the MSM will talk to him and he us considered a kooky conspiracy theorist.

I wonder how much of what he talks about is not actually bioweapons research but is actually attempting to find ways to stop these viruses. To me that's a reasonable motivation for China's involvement in the NC Chapel Hill work, but of course all iof this stuff will be used for weapons. China has already had to deal with these outbreaks recently, has a long history of them and still has those markets and many places where human animal interactions happen in a context of high populations and densities of both and poor hygiene practises.

He is definitely not a supporter of the US regime. It's more likely he'd be on Jones' show 15 years ago than now IMO. (Back then Jones said most Muslims were being treated as patsies by the Bush admin, today he says they are evil.). He is not a big fan of us bioweapons programs or those level 4 facilities and says repeatedly thru the interviews that they are primarily weapons facilities and should be shut down, and the people overseeing these programs arrested under the legislation he wrote. So I think that is a big part of his motivation. The bio terrorism laws he drafted were passed over 30 years ago and if anything things are worse now than then.
Yeah but it’s the medium Dr Boyle choose, he must be self aware enough to realise Alex Jones fans would have a massive cross over with the crazies who follow Q.
There are countless independent media orgs that would’ve taken up his story. So why pick the one that any rational person would now hold with massive degree of skepticism.

Unless of course his trying to muddy the waters.
 

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US and China blaming each other for starting coronavirus. I have another suspect.
All these lockdowns have made for less pollution.
J'Accuse Greta Thunberg.
Old people mainly are dying, the people who wrecked the planet.
Her country got up a court case against Julian Assange to keep him occupied from finding out about her plans.
 

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US and China blaming each other for starting coronavirus. I have another suspect.
All these lockdowns have made for less pollution.
J'Accuse Greta Thunberg.
Old people mainly are dying, the people who wrecked the planet.
Her country got up a court case against Julian Assange to keep him occupied from finding out about her plans.
A resurgence of the ‘The Weather Underground’. Using Mother Nature to save the world, just don’t give the idea to bhp, they’ll run with it, and We will be seeing the story first drop on the 6pm news.

my sources tell me Corona Virus is a terrorist attack against all of us...
 

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Yeah but it’s the medium Dr Boyle choose, he must be self aware enough to realise Alex Jones fans would have a massive cross over with the crazies who follow Q.
There are countless independent media orgs that would’ve taken up his story. So why pick the one that any rational person would now hold with massive degree of skepticism.

Unless of course his trying to muddy the waters.

Maybe because none others would listen.

So much of this interview is framed as China making bioweapons but at the end Boyle makes a point of framing this as an accidental release.

He even cites a paper that makes that claim.

I find it hard to believe that someone who is calling for the closure of BIosecurity level4 labs in the US and the arrest of the people who run them under bioterror legislation is running cover for a US attack.

Boyle made claims about the post 9/11 anthrax attacks (attacks that were sus as fu**,) claims that don't even get mentioned on his wiki page. He accused the FBI of destroying evidence and covering up the actual source (ie not Irvins). Back then the only people who listened to him were as credible as Jones. Nothing he said has been shown to be false.

Jones has the biggest reach/market. He is probably a limited gang out op but in many ways those types all are. Daniel Hopsicker reckons Whitney Webb is a compromised source for example. But they all are. They all get that info from people who are using them to serve their own agendas.

Julian Assnge is a non compromised source, look what happened to him.
 

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US and China blaming each other for starting coronavirus. I have another suspect.
All these lockdowns have made for less pollution.
J'Accuse Greta Thunberg.
Old people mainly are dying, the people who wrecked the planet.
Her country got up a court case against Julian Assange to keep him occupied from finding out about her plans.
What is genuinely scary is that non state actors will have the ability to do this stuff soon if they don't already now.

At some point some loopy campaigner will decide Mother Earth needs him or her to wipe out humanity to save all the other life on the planet and within a similar time frame to this billions will die.

That's gonna happen in my kids lifetime, hopefully not in mine but it probably will.
 
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The United States Department of Justice has announced that it has indicted Venezuela's socialist leader Nicolas Maduro and several key aides on charges of narco-terrorism.

The department accused them on Thursday of conspiring with Colombian rebels "to flood the United States with cocaine".

"We estimate that somewhere between 200 and 250 metric tonnes of cocaine are shipped out of Venezuela by these routes. Those 250 metric tonnes equates to 30 million lethal doses," it said.


 

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The United States Department of Justice has announced that it has indicted Venezuela's socialist leader Nicolas Maduro and several key aides on charges of narco-terrorism.

The department accused them on Thursday of conspiring with Colombian rebels "to flood the United States with cocaine".

"We estimate that somewhere between 200 and 250 metric tonnes of cocaine are shipped out of Venezuela by these routes. Those 250 metric tonnes equates to 30 million lethal doses," it said.




U.S.A. > Corona, lockdown, coke, guns.

What could possibly go wrong ?
 

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North Korea has fired two suspected ballistic missiles into the ocean off its east coast - according to South Korea and Japan - the latest in a flurry of weapon launches that Seoul decried as "inappropriate" amid the global coronavirus pandemic.
 

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North Korea has fired two suspected ballistic missiles into the ocean off its east coast - according to South Korea and Japan - the latest in a flurry of weapon launches that Seoul decried as "inappropriate" amid the global coronavirus pandemic.


Kim family motto; " When an opportunity presents....."
 

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To argue that Maduro, in particular, hasn't been an authoritarian dictator is just not credible. Chavez was a charismatic populist who used high oil prices and large reserves to distribute wealth in the country without ever setting the economy up in a sustainable way. At the same time, he was an authoritarian who stacked the courts and suppressed the media. He did respect elections. There is no way you can make the same claim about Maduro. He is a tyrant.

sanctions is war, the whole point is to make the population suffer, to a point where they revolt. There’s a good series Abby Martin did on the topic.

 

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Latest attempt at framing Madura as a narco terrorist exposes Guaidó’s plot to use the covid outbreak as cover to stage an attack.
Incompetent clowns in the US right now.

Given US voter suppression efforts, lack of voting rights for people in DC, the electoral college and all the rest it's a bit rich picking on one bloke who looks like Saddam cos he is an authoritarian.

It's a bit like saying the Cuban Revolution was somehow wrong, tho at least in that case everyone knew it was a gangster (Meyer Lansky) running the country.
 

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Giving your health data to Palantir.. what could possibly go wrong.. The NHS has confirmed it is working with Microsoft, Palantir and Google to improve data analysis to make its anti-coronavirus effort more efficient and effective.
 

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fantastic gesture, I’m glad Australia is already on the list.

Italy on Monday became the 53rd nation to join a call by the UN secretary general for a ceasefire in all the world’s wars as the globe fights the Covid-19 pandemic.
 

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In this moment where governments are reaching for more authority and technical capacity to monitor cell phones, how should journalists be thinking about these things? Should they be resisting?

I wouldn’t encourage people to subvert efforts to track them if they are infected. But when the crisis is over and life returns to normal, people should be aware that this tracking and tracing could be used beyond the length of the crisis. If you are forced to install something on your phone—and you can't really say no—you are going to have to imagine you’ve entered a country where you have a police minder. Perhaps don’t contact a super secret source.

What role can journalists play here?

We need journalists to dig into these new schemes. If the government says we are doing location tracking, or we are doing contact tracing, we need reporters digging into what exactly they are doing. What company did you buy that tool from? Who has access to the data?

Are we at an inflection point here for cellphone surveillance?

It’s early, but this is how I am thinking about it. For governments looking for tools to hone their authoritarianism—regimes who want to get more control, or get more visibility into their citizens’ lives—the coronavirus is an issue like “fake news” or cybersecurity or terrorism that can been used to justify enhanced powers. For a sufficiently authoritarian government, the barrier to knowing where everyone is all the time is basically just cost.

In democratic contexts, it’s cost, plus getting over whatever oversight or checks are built into the system. We are going to hear more and more that we have to implement these tracking methods so we can go on about our lives.
 
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Giving your health data to Palantir.. what could possibly go wrong.. The NHS has confirmed it is working with Microsoft, Palantir and Google to improve data analysis to make its anti-coronavirus effort more efficient and effective.
Get f’ed.

I'll drop my phone in a river.
 

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In this moment where governments are reaching for more authority and technical capacity to monitor cell phones, how should journalists be thinking about these things? Should they be resisting?

I wouldn’t encourage people to subvert efforts to track them if they are infected. But when the crisis is over and life returns to normal, people should be aware that this tracking and tracing could be used beyond the length of the crisis. If you are forced to install something on your phone—and you can't really say no—you are going to have to imagine you’ve entered a country where you have a police minder. Perhaps don’t contact a super secret source.

What role can journalists play here?

We need journalists to dig into these new schemes. If the government says we are doing location tracking, or we are doing contact tracing, we need reporters digging into what exactly they are doing. What company did you buy that tool from? Who has access to the data?

Are we at an inflection point here for cellphone surveillance?

It’s early, but this is how I am thinking about it. For governments looking for tools to hone their authoritarianism—regimes who want to get more control, or get more visibility into their citizens’ lives—the coronavirus is an issue like “fake news” or cybersecurity or terrorism that can been used to justify enhanced powers. For a sufficiently authoritarian government, the barrier to knowing where everyone is all the time is basically just cost.

In democratic contexts, it’s cost, plus getting over whatever oversight or checks are built into the system. We are going to hear more and more that we have to implement these tracking methods so we can go on about our lives.
This should be on the main corona virus thread. It'll be interesting to see who is a closet fascist and who isn't.
 

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