Banter The No Dazzlering Big Cricket Thread

[happy_eagle]

It is our God given right as Aussies to be nonplused, even disappointed in an overseas series whitewash against another Test nation (first time in the Carribean). Despite winning each Test by over 100 runs on tough batting pitches with our brand new number 3 coming back from a 12 month layoff and ranking 3rd in batting aggregate and our backup bowler chipping in with 6 poles including a hatrick, I am still not impressed, let alone happy.

Ring in the changes.

Most sheffield shield sides could have beaten the Windies 3-0.

It sadly does not prepare us well for a home ashes series, with still question marks over the side.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

It is our God given right as Aussies to be nonplused, even disappointed in an overseas series whitewash against another Test nation (first time in the Carribean). Despite winning each Test by over 100 runs on tough batting pitches with our brand new number 3 coming back from a 12 month layoff and ranking 3rd in batting aggregate and our backup bowler chipping in with 6 poles including a hatrick, I am still not impressed, let alone happy.

Ring in the changes.

What did I say that was untrue?

Openers are a big issue. Green did well relatively but 3 isn't where I think he should be.

Batting remains our weak point and we need domestic options to stand up to shore this up.

I said our bowlers were great, not sure where you're getting otherwise re: Boland.

This was an expected series result against a dishevelled side. Pleased with the 3-0 obviously, but frustrated that Konstas didn't take his chance and we're likely to revert to the likes of Harris.

 

[Ochre]

Smith at 3, Green at 4 and Head at 5, please. Then sort out our openers.

Hasn't been mentioned yet, but Inglis was subbed in for Carey and took the gloves for the first time in Tests.

I don't want to move out best bat around, especially considering 3s likely to be in early with our opener situation.

My top 6 for the first test atm would be something like

Marnus
TBD - mother of all Shield bat offs incoming
Green
Smith
Head
Inglis/Webster depending on Greens bowling capability

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I don't want to move out best bat around, especially considering 3s likely to be in early with our opener situation.

My top 6 for the first test atm would be something like

Marnus
TBD - mother of all Shield bat offs incoming
Green
Smith
Head
Inglis/Webster depending on Greens bowling capability

I would actually back in Konstas given the ridiculousness of BazBall. If anyone is going to ride the wave of whatever the heck it is and counter with some fun knocks it'll be him.

S Konstas (very unlikely)
K Patterson (it'll be Khawaja)
S Smith
C Green
T Head
B Webster
A Carey (+)

 

[Doashuey]

What did I say that was untrue?

Openers are a big issue. Green did well relatively but 3 isn't where I think he should be.

Batting remains our weak point and we need domestic options to stand up to shore this up.

I said our bowlers were great, not sure where you're getting otherwise re: Boland.

This was an expected series result against a dishevelled side. Pleased with the 3-0 obviously, but frustrated that Konstas didn't take his chance and we're likely to revert to the likes of Harris.

Just a bit of humour to lighten you up on a dark day CC.
Konstas clearly the most disappointing aspect. I think they will stick with Konstas. Pretty tough as a new opener against a very good attack on those pitches but he needs to do better. 4 Shield games back home to find some form and confidence before facing the Poms. As long as he can get some good batting in during those matches I think selectors will give him the first 2-3 Tests to prove himself.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Just a bit of humour to lighten you up on a dark day CC.
Konstas clearly the most disappointing aspect. I think they will stick with Konstas. Pretty tough as a new opener against a very good attack on those pitches but he needs to do better. 4 Shield games back home to find some form and confidence before facing the Poms. As long as he can get some good batting in during those matches I think selectors will give him the first 2-3 Tests to prove himself.

With you there mate.

Didn't mean to snap back sorry x

 

[Doashuey]

Most sheffield shield sides could have beaten the Windies 3-0.

It sadly does not prepare us well for a home ashes series, with still question marks over the side.

Nah. Point in case, we only beat them 2-1 at home with our settled side. It is a feat that we have never achieved before despite the Windies being in the Doldrums for 20 years or so. They have a very good bowling attack.
I think it prepares us nicely for the Ashes. It is much better to be playing some really tough conditions then come back home and get 4 Sheild games into the lads before facing the Poms in our home conditions than to come off a series of roads like Pakistan or Sri Lanka and then start facing JOffra Archer on a Gabba greentop.
Our batting line up is in a state of transition, especially at the top of the order. Green and Webster have looked good, Head will always score runs and Carey is in some fine form. Smith is Smith. The big questions are Konstas and Uzzie. Problem is we dont have a lot of openers to choose from so we will just have to accept that we may be 1 or 2 down for not many until we can find that opening pair. Maybe Head to open and Inglis to come in ala Sri Lanka?
I loved that they played 4 quicks, it is a big call leaving out Gary but it wouldn't surprise me to see them pull that lever again for the next Pink Ball test against the Poms. We are extremely privileged to see this bowling attack, probably only rivaled in history by the Windies attack in the 80s and 90s.

 

[Dazzler9]

What happens at the start of summer if Bancroft and Harris blaze multiple centuries and Uzzie continues to fail?

 

[Doashuey]

I don't want to move out best bat around, especially considering 3s likely to be in early with our opener situation.

My top 6 for the first test atm would be something like

Marnus
TBD - mother of all Shield bat offs incoming
Green
Smith
Head
Inglis/Webster depending on Greens bowling capability

MArnus is an odd call. There is a reason he was dropped, he would need to really show something in the Shield to come in as an opener- has been woefully out of form for 2 years.
Webster is a lock, regardless of Greens ability to bowl (which I think is also unlikely especially as the number 3 bat).
I think Inglis' main chance is if they move Head to open and he slots in at 5 or 6. I wouldnt mind it to be honest- he has the same capacity as Warner to decide a Test in the first session on day 1.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

What happens at the start of summer if Bancroft and Harris blaze multiple centuries and Uzzie continues to fail?

Go whoever the 4th option is.

 

[Doashuey]

What happens at the start of summer if Bancroft and Harris blaze multiple centuries and Uzzie continues to fail?

Bancroft could score triple centuries in both innnings against a NSW attack including Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon and he would not get selected as long as CumDog is the skipper. His papers are stamped after the sandpaper fall out.

 

[RookiePick]

Bancroft could score triple centuries in both innnings against a NSW attack including Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon and he would not get selected as long as CumDog is the skipper. His papers are stamped after the sandpaper fall out.

The biggest issue with what Bancroft said...it was the truth!

I agree he'll never get a look in while Cummins is in charge.

 

[darksquare]

What happens at the start of summer if Bancroft and Harris blaze multiple centuries and Uzzie continues to fail?

The thought of Bancroft "blazing" anything is amusing. "Eking" is more like it.

 

[FKASC]

Not sure why anyone is concerned about a home ashes series. It’ll be another whitewash. No one can compete with our fast bowling cartel.

The team is allowed to have 1-2 positions of weakness. Sure, argue over those positions but it’s hardly going to be the difference between winning and losing the series.

Jofra Archer Reid will break down physically soon enough and isnt some sort of Bumrah talisman. Woakes will be ineffective on our wickets. Carse looks alright but middling at best and inexperienced. Atkinson and Wood have been injured and won’t have match fitness even if Wood recovers in time. Tongue bowls pies.

Konstas and Khawaja will get played back into form if they are selected.

 

[Tugga27]

Not sure why anyone is concerned about a home ashes series. It’ll be another whitewash. No one can compete with our fast bowling cartel.

The team is allowed to have 1-2 positions of weakness. Sure, argue over those positions but it’s hardly going to be the difference between winning and losing the series.

Jofra Archer Reid will break down physically soon enough and isnt some sort of Bumrah talisman. Woakes will be ineffective on our wickets. Carse looks alright but middling at best and inexperienced. Atkinson and Wood have been injured and won’t have match fitness even if Wood recovers in time. Tongue bowls pies.

Konstas and Khawaja will get played back into form if they are selected.

Seriously?
The Ashes is ALWAYS a huge event.

Also think you're overrating us and underrating the Poms TBH.

No way can I see this being a whitewash.

 

[FKASC]

Seriously?
The Ashes is ALWAYS a huge event.

Also think you're overrating us and underrating the Poms TBH.

No way can I see this being a whitewash.

that’s because Australian cricket fans chronically underrate the side no matter how dominant it is

Won 15 of the last 18 tests, and the three losses can basically be put down to:

• Individual brilliance from Shamar Joseph
• Individual brilliance from Bumrah on a fickle pitch in Perth
• A bad toss to lose vs SA

Can’t see England’s bowlers ripping through our openers on our Australian roads, unlike Bumrah did. Every other aspect of the team is elite

 

[Tugga27]

that’s because Australian cricket fans chronically underrate the side no matter how dominant it is

Won 15 of the last 18 tests, and the three losses can basically be put down to:

• Individual brilliance from Shamar Joseph
• Individual brilliance from Bumrah on a fickle pitch in Perth
• A bad toss to lose vs SA

Can’t see England’s bowlers ripping through our openers on our Australian roads, unlike Bumrah did. Every other aspect of the team is elite

What openers?

 

[FKASC]

What openers?

Any - even McSweeney will ton up against those spuds. Will delete my account if we don’t clean sweep

 

[Tugga27]

Our batting is a huge worry.
No quality openers, the jury is out on Green at 3.

Our last test against quality opposition was the WTC against Pakistan where we struggled to score 200 in both innings.

It's a big if, but if Wood or Archer can stay fit, I can see them giving us some problems.

We will rely on our bowler again I think.

 

[FKASC]

if Wood or Archer can stay fit, I can see them giving us some problems.

Wood’s 35 and recovering from knee surgery after a medial ligament injury, and missing four months of cricket. Jofra’s made of balsa wood. Very big if

 

[happy_eagle]

that’s because Australian cricket fans chronically underrate the side no matter how dominant it is

Won 15 of the last 18 tests, and the three losses can basically be put down to:

• Individual brilliance from Shamar Joseph
• Individual brilliance from Bumrah on a fickle pitch in Perth
• A bad toss to lose vs SA

Can’t see England’s bowlers ripping through our openers on our Australian roads, unlike Bumrah did. Every other aspect of the team is elite

Then the concern comes if we do whitewash the Poms, how many of our team are likely to find this a good time to retire.

There needs to be some sort of plan in place to stagger the retirements out. The issue with that though is if the form drops off suddenly you are stuck in a weird space.

Khawaja (37)
Lyon (37)
Smith (36)
Boland (36)
Starc (35)
Hazlewood (34)

A lot of bowlers in that list that might all be going at the same time.

 

[Dazzler9]

Then the concern comes if we do whitewash the Poms, how many of our team are likely to find this a good time to retire.

There needs to be some sort of plan in place to stagger the retirements out. The issue with that though is if the form drops off suddenly you are stuck in a weird space.

Khawaja (37)
Lyon (37)
Smith (36)
Boland (36)
Starc (35)
Hazlewood (34)

A lot of bowlers in that list that might all be going at the same time.

Sean Abbott's time to shine

 

[RookiePick]

Sean Abbott's time to shine

Why you do me like that dawg?

 

[Doashuey]

Then the concern comes if we do whitewash the Poms, how many of our team are likely to find this a good time to retire.

There needs to be some sort of plan in place to stagger the retirements out. The issue with that though is if the form drops off suddenly you are stuck in a weird space.

Khawaja (37)
Lyon (37)
Smith (36)
Boland (36)
Starc (35)
Hazlewood (34)

A lot of bowlers in that list that might all be going at the same time.

Out of that list I think only Uzzie. Dont see any of those others wanting to retire, especially Smith or Boland. Lyon maybe. Starc and Haze have plenty left to give.
In any case, if we whitewash the Poms then any concern that comes from that is welcome.

 

[happy_eagle]

Out of that list I think only Uzzie. Dont see any of those others wanting to retire, especially Smith or Boland. Lyon maybe. Starc and Haze have plenty left to give.
In any case, if we whitewash the Poms then any concern that comes from that is welcome.

Thing is they are playing well now, but the cliff can come pretty fast and quick. You run the real risk of multiple 35+ year olds dropping off and being forced into retirement.