Opposition Camp The Non-North Footy Discussion & Matchday Chat Thread: Edition V

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Snake_Baker

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Heaps of fun

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If we had SOS he wouldn't be on the frontiers of football with endless picks to play with (GWS) or an unquestionable club legend (Blues) he would just be another cog in the system overlooked by some pretty exacting sets of eyes (Buckley, B. Rawlings, don't think Rhyce will put up with nonsense or underperformance either) honestly think that he could bring a lot.
 

King Corey

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Day One:

SOS "so I'm thinking we offer Josh Kelly a 1.1 + 1.1 for 8 years this time round?"

Crocker "What do you mean by a '1.1 + 1.1' ?"

SOS "lol, you guys really do need to get up to speed with industry best practice! Obviously I mean 'on the books' + 'off the books'.."

Crocker "we don't do 'off the books' "

SOS "haha. Sure thing chief"

Crocker "No mate, I'm serious"

SOS:

 

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gokangas

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Sos to North has already been rumoured and discussed on BF. Not sure what I think about the possibility. Can’t see he will leave much of a legacy (off-field) at Carlton so probably doesn’t instil much excitement from our end.
 

giantroo

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Carlton took Tom Papley and Brandon Ellis on a tour of Ikon Park — without list boss Stephen Silvagni’s knowledge
Carlton’s list suggests Stephen Silvagni has made huge inroads but he knew his power was being eroded from the inside when he learned the club had entertained two potential trade targets — without his knowledge.
JON ANDERSON, 360 VIEW, Herald Sun

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November 8, 2019 1:30pm




If pinpointing the time when Stephen Silvagni’s tenure with Carlton became irreversibly strained, look no further than earlier this season when Brandon Ellis and Tom Papley were first sought by the Blues.


Ellis, who ultimately left Richmond for the Gold Coast, and Papley, who remained with Sydney, were identified as key components in Carlton’s planning for next year.

They were feverishly targeted by the Blues earlier this year, a courting that was said to have gone as far as tours of Ikon Park.

But problems arose because Silvagni, the General Manager of List Management and Strategy, was not part of the process, leaving him “bitterly disappointed”, according to one Carlton insider.

Once that trust had been broken, something or someone was going to give.

And that someone is expected to be Carlton Hall of Fame Legend Silvagni, who was lured back to the club in 2015 to help rebuild a basket case.

Silvagni typically declined a request to be interviewed yesterday.

He began by drafting Jacob Weitering (pick No.1), Harry McKay (No.10), Charlie Curnow (No.12), David Cunningham (No.23) and his son Jack (No.53) as a father-son selection.


Four years on and it’s looking more and more likely that the 2015 national draft haul will be looked back on as a catalyst for future success.

In the same period Silvagni has overseen the transformation of an ugly salary cap to one that currently has room to comfortably include a high-priced recruit.

So what has changed since Silvagni was seduced by Carlton president and friend Mark LoGiudice to return home after a successful tenure as the architect of GWS’s initial AFL forays?


It began when Cain Liddle was appointed CEO and Brad Lloyd was recruited to become head of football.

Liddle and Lloyd are no different than most people in business, expressing a desire to put their own people in place.

Their “own people” included Mick Agresta as list manager — a title perhaps dangerously close to that of Silvagni’s General Manager of List Management — and football operations boss Len Villani.

The positive view is that Liddle has constructed a harmonious team working towards a common goal.

The opposite view is that it creates a group of “yes” men.

Sydney’s recruiting and list manager Kinnear Beatson is another name recently linked to the Blues.

Naturally enough it has produced a different environment than 2016 when Silvagni worked with relative freedom alongside 1995 premiership teammate and head of football Andrew McKay as well as Sam Power, who now runs recruiting and list management with the Western Bulldogs.

Silvagni wasn’t aware star Dysney small forward Tom Papley was touring the club earlier this year. Picture: Phil Hillyard
Silvagni wasn’t aware star Dysney small forward Tom Papley was touring the club earlier this year. Picture: Phil Hillyard


As a result Silvagni’s power base has steadily eroded, and reports concerning his future continue to surface.

It will see the likely departure of Silvagni after this year’s national draft, despite a reported contract having been put to him, albeit at a reduced rate.

He is believed to have been in discussions with LoGiudice concerning an exit plan, which initially was aimed for 2020.

Back to Brandon Ellis — a name that repeatedly crops up when 2019 politics at Carlton are discussed.

Silvagni was said to have been open to Ellis joining the club, but only at the right price, which was a fair way short of the $550,000 Gold Coast is alleged to be paying him.

When Ellis went north, Silvagni signed St Kilda’s Jack Newnes on a base salary at a third of the cost.

Josh Deluca, who played six games after being taken in the 2019 mid-season draft, may well have been another bone of contention.

The drafting of Josh Deluca caused tension between Silvagni and the club. Picture: Michael Klein
The drafting of Josh Deluca caused tension between Silvagni and the club. Picture: Michael Klein

Deluca, who has since been delisted, was not believed to have been on Silvagni’s wishlist as a senior player.

Eddie Betts was another case in point, with Silvagni’s interest said to be warm, and that was based more on what he could bring to develop Carlton’s indigenous program rather than the goals and tackling pressure his 32-year-old legs would provide.

In the cases of Betts and Deluca, Silvagni was effectively overruled, whereas the attempted recruitment of Ellis and Papley may well be looked back upon as the straws that broke the camel’s back, and ended over 20 years of service from the man known as SOS.

What next for Silvagni?

There will be interest given his recruiting track record with both GWS and Carlton matches up against most in the past decade, but one source close to the family suggested he is unlikely to be involved in football next year other than watching his sons Jack and Ben play for the Blues.

If Silvagni ever does speak, and don’t hold your breath as he has been famously publicity shy throughout his career, he would certainly point to a breakdown in trust as the critical component in his departure from a club that first boasted a Silvagni when his father Sergio debuted 61 years ago.
 

giantroo

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The inside story on why club legend Stephen Silvagni is set to leave Carlton
Blues legend Steve Silvagni has been the architect of a huge overhaul at Carlton in his five seasons at the club. So why — despite his overwhelming success — is he likey to move on?
Jon Ralph, Herald Sun

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November 8, 2019 7:47am


A series of rolling disputes over recruitment targets and a desire to give his sons clear air at Carlton is expected to see Steve Silvagni move on from the club.

Footy’s worst-kept secret is expected to be confirmed after the November 27-28 drafts as Silvagni moves on from his lucrative position.


Officially Silvagni is Carlton’s general manager of list manager and strategy but he has been the architect of one of footy’s great list overhauls.
Silvagni had near-unfettered power to make a series of complicated and mostly successful trades that saw the Blues bring in exciting young kids and a series of GWS rejects.
But chief executive Cain Liddle and football boss Brad Lloyd are much more process-driven than past administrations and have at times butted heads with Silvagni.
Senior coach David Teague on Wednesday played down tension over the recruitment of Eddie Betts despite admitting he was not part of the youth-led resurgence.
But a series of moves leading up to and including the trade period confounded even impartial observers.
Richmond’s Brandon Ellis was wooed all year by the Blues before a sudden about-face in the week leading into the finals.

Stephen Silvagni leaves Marvel Stadium on the last day of this year’s AFL trade period. Picture: Michael Klein.

Stephen Silvagni leaves Marvel Stadium on the last day of this year’s AFL trade period. Picture: Michael Klein.

The Herald Sun understands he had a private tour of Ikon Park with senior officials mid-year and believed he would be at Carlton then was stunned to be told the Blues had lost interest.

Forward Dan Butler was similarly bemused when Carlton went cold on him after contrasting views from Silvagni and list manager Mick Agresta on the club’s interest.


His manager Alex McDonald was forced to clarify Butler’s future after Silvagni said the club had no interest and Agresta said it was pursuing him all in the space of one morning.

Ellis eventually found a home at Gold Coast and Butler at St Kilda.

Silvagni’s position has been made more difficult by the presence of two of his sons — Jack and Ben — on the list, with youngest son Tom draft-eligible next year.

Ben Silvagni works out in the weights room at Carlton.
Ben Silvagni works out in the weights room at Carlton.
Ben Silvagni is a raw young key position player taken at pick 70 who was a speculative selection given little exposed TAC Cup or under-age form.

Former Carlton coach Denis Pagan told the Herald Sun mid-year that it was almost impossible to be at a club as an official with your son on the list after his own issues with son Ryan at North Melbourne.

Jack Silvagni put together and excellent second half of the 2019 season and earned himself a contract extension.

Carlton remained tight-lipped on Thursday about Silvagni’s position, with list manager Mick Agresta and recruiting manager Paul Brodie part of his list management team.
 

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