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TennisPlayerAndy said:
Josh Thomas retires after 123 games.

Was on Collingwoods list for 12 years.

12 ******* years.

Jesus Christ on a bike....
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Amazing.

The kid's gotta be a little flat after 123 games over 12 years his highlights clip features 45 seconds of his substances tribunal case.
 
King Corey said:
Amazing.

The kid's gotta be a little flat after 123 games over 12 years his highlights clip features 45 seconds of his substances tribunal case.
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They're lucky they didn't show some of his work from Talking 'Bout Your Generation.
 
giantroo said:
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“In related news, the cost of electrical appliances in Gee has exponentially increased with older models being subjected to Cats digital memberships
The office of public safety had tried in vain to make Gee supporters understand that putting mobile phones and laptops into the microwaves does not affect the digital membership cards”
 
 
Grant Thomas looms as the pressure mounts on Brett Ratten, Matt Finnis and Andrew Bassat
Grant Thomas might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but the former St Kilda coach has dominated in the business world and is closely watching proceedings at Moorabbin.

Michael Warner

4 min read
October 22, 2021 - 11:36AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../a89f9d6421a359d21b95dd560e0dc046#share-tools



Since his shock sacking as St Kilda coach at the hands of an unhinged club boss in 2006, Grant Thomas has built and sold a series of businesses for more than $150 million.

But for all his success in his decade and a half away from Moorabbin, Thomas has never wavered from his passion to see his beloved Saints taste the ultimate success.

They came close under his coaching in 2004 and 2005, and even closer under the man who inherited his team, Ross Lyon, in 2009 and 2010, but across the last 10 seasons St Kilda has reverted to normal transmission, playing finals just once.


Grant Thomas overseas St Kilda’s qualifying final against Adelaide in September 2005.

Grant Thomas overseas St Kilda’s qualifying final against Adelaide in September 2005.

Melbourne’s breakthrough grand final triumph in Perth means the Saints have now been handed the game’s most unwanted tag — the longest premiership drought among the game’s establishment clubs.

Murmurs of discontent have rumbled behind the scenes since midway through last season and will only grow louder if Brett Ratten’s troops get off to a shaky start in 2022, which begs the question: Has the time come for Thomas to step back into the fold and make a run for the St Kilda presidency, a prospect he hinted at earlier this week?

The recent sale of his digital bank ‘Up’ to Bendigo Bank for $126 million would suggest Thomas again has the time and energy to invest in his dream of seeing St Kilda become a blue chip club.

Thomas, 63, is not everyone’s cup of tea, but has a history and thirst for success.

He won four successive flags with Warrnambool, played a key role in the appointment of Denis Pagan when director of football at North Melbourne, led St Kilda to three consecutive finals series – only the second time in the club’s history – and saw his side win more games than any other team between 2004-2006.

The Herald Sun revealed on Monday that Thomas and business magnate Gerry Ryan were publicly backing dental surgeon Larry Benge’s bid to become a club director — a move that puts the St Kilda board and its president Andrew Bassat on notice.

Thomas met with Bassat during the week and outlined his concerns.

The re-emergence of Thomas and Ryan’s public endorsement of Benge would be cause for concern for St Kilda chiefs, including CEO Matt Finnis and high-profile chief operating officer Simon Lethlean.

Thomas respects Bassat’s presidency but believes major changes must be made this coming summer.

He is of the view that Finnis isn’t a strong enough leader and should be replaced, and that Lethlean needs to stick to his current role and deliver on his football department blueprint.

Thomas also has concerns around list management and the surprise appointment of the department’s head James Gallagher.

Thomas has also identified the lack of an experienced cultural and people manager to oversee the football department, a role adopted by Richmond with Neil Balme in 2017 and Melbourne this year with Mark Williams.

He believes that senior football figures David Rath and Ratten are heavily focused on strategy, tactics and data, while the “vital cultural connectedness piece is being ignored”.
St Kilda ceo and club coach [PLAYERCARD]Brett Ratten[/PLAYERCARD] in the lead up to St Kilda’s clash with Brisbane at The Gabba in Round 13 2020. Picture: Michael Klein

St Kilda ceo and club coach Brett Ratten in the lead up to St Kilda’s clash with Brisbane at The Gabba in Round 13 2020. Picture: Michael Klein

They are the ruthless decisions Thomas says will send a signal to the St Kilda members and wider AFL industry that they are ready to compete with the league’s powerhouse clubs.

“In my view there are two types of teams in this competition: those in the premiership business and those simply playing AFL,” Thomas said.
“From my observation over the last decade, St Kilda is just playing AFL.”

There is a view from some agitators that Bassat and the board have been too easily seduced by Lethlean and his vision.

Bassat may not have liked the way Benge went about seeking the public support of Thomas and Ryan, but he did not dismiss their comments and privately acknowledges that St Kilda still has much work to do.

During his three years in charge, Bassat has overseen the sacking of coach Alan Richardson and the appointment of Ratten but has largely adopted a steady-as-she-goes approach.

The president has indicated he will take a more hands-on role in the coming months and believes there will be on and off-field progress next year.
Others insist the club has until July to demonstrate that the current plan is working and it is Thomas who now looms as the most ominous figure.

“I only have one good fight left in me and — as always — I’m very happy to use it for the cause of St Kilda,” he told the Herald Sun.

Thomas played 72 games for the Saints between 1978-83, understands governance, business, leadership and finance – and has a powerful voice.

He was a senior executive at MLC for 15 years, played a key role in overthrowing the Andrew Plympton regimen in 2000, coached at AFL level for six years (before then president Rod Butterss sensationally sacked him) and was a member of the St Kilda board that wiped a $5 million debt — which has since ballooned back beyond $12 million.

Thomas’ strained relationship with the suits at AFL house is an obvious sticking point, differences that stem back to his clashes with former league boss Andrew Demetriou.

But should that matter?

Outspoken Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has always found a way through, and the league’s relationship with the Richmond hierarchy hasn’t exactly been smooth sailing in recent years.
Besides, St Kilda fans only care about that elusive second premiership, not petty spats.

Bassat, the co-founder of Seek and brother of AFL commissioner Paul Bassat, would consider Thomas’ views regarding some of the club’s leaders to be harsh and is comfortable with his current group of directors, although Benge’s bid for a board seat will be given respect.

The Saints boss has promised to keep the dialogue open with Thomas, but it remains to be seen just how long the club’s old coach will keep listening before he decides to act
 
giantroo said:
Grant Thomas looms as the pressure mounts on Brett Ratten, Matt Finnis and Andrew Bassat
Grant Thomas might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but the former St Kilda coach has dominated in the business world and is closely watching proceedings at Moorabbin.

Michael Warner

4 min read
October 22, 2021 - 11:36AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../a89f9d6421a359d21b95dd560e0dc046#share-tools



Since his shock sacking as St Kilda coach at the hands of an unhinged club boss in 2006, Grant Thomas has built and sold a series of businesses for more than $150 million.

But for all his success in his decade and a half away from Moorabbin, Thomas has never wavered from his passion to see his beloved Saints taste the ultimate success.

They came close under his coaching in 2004 and 2005, and even closer under the man who inherited his team, Ross Lyon, in 2009 and 2010, but across the last 10 seasons St Kilda has reverted to normal transmission, playing finals just once.


Grant Thomas overseas St Kilda’s qualifying final against Adelaide in September 2005.

Grant Thomas overseas St Kilda’s qualifying final against Adelaide in September 2005.

Melbourne’s breakthrough grand final triumph in Perth means the Saints have now been handed the game’s most unwanted tag — the longest premiership drought among the game’s establishment clubs.

Murmurs of discontent have rumbled behind the scenes since midway through last season and will only grow louder if Brett Ratten’s troops get off to a shaky start in 2022, which begs the question: Has the time come for Thomas to step back into the fold and make a run for the St Kilda presidency, a prospect he hinted at earlier this week?

The recent sale of his digital bank ‘Up’ to Bendigo Bank for $126 million would suggest Thomas again has the time and energy to invest in his dream of seeing St Kilda become a blue chip club.

Thomas, 63, is not everyone’s cup of tea, but has a history and thirst for success.

He won four successive flags with Warrnambool, played a key role in the appointment of Denis Pagan when director of football at North Melbourne, led St Kilda to three consecutive finals series – only the second time in the club’s history – and saw his side win more games than any other team between 2004-2006.

The Herald Sun revealed on Monday that Thomas and business magnate Gerry Ryan were publicly backing dental surgeon Larry Benge’s bid to become a club director — a move that puts the St Kilda board and its president Andrew Bassat on notice.

Thomas met with Bassat during the week and outlined his concerns.

The re-emergence of Thomas and Ryan’s public endorsement of Benge would be cause for concern for St Kilda chiefs, including CEO Matt Finnis and high-profile chief operating officer Simon Lethlean.

Thomas respects Bassat’s presidency but believes major changes must be made this coming summer.

He is of the view that Finnis isn’t a strong enough leader and should be replaced, and that Lethlean needs to stick to his current role and deliver on his football department blueprint.

Thomas also has concerns around list management and the surprise appointment of the department’s head James Gallagher.

Thomas has also identified the lack of an experienced cultural and people manager to oversee the football department, a role adopted by Richmond with Neil Balme in 2017 and Melbourne this year with Mark Williams.

He believes that senior football figures David Rath and Ratten are heavily focused on strategy, tactics and data, while the “vital cultural connectedness piece is being ignored”.
St Kilda ceo and club coach Brett Ratten in the lead up to St Kilda’s clash with Brisbane at The Gabba in Round 13 2020. Picture: Michael Klein

St Kilda ceo and club coach Brett Ratten in the lead up to St Kilda’s clash with Brisbane at The Gabba in Round 13 2020. Picture: Michael Klein

They are the ruthless decisions Thomas says will send a signal to the St Kilda members and wider AFL industry that they are ready to compete with the league’s powerhouse clubs.

“In my view there are two types of teams in this competition: those in the premiership business and those simply playing AFL,” Thomas said.
“From my observation over the last decade, St Kilda is just playing AFL.”

There is a view from some agitators that Bassat and the board have been too easily seduced by Lethlean and his vision.

Bassat may not have liked the way Benge went about seeking the public support of Thomas and Ryan, but he did not dismiss their comments and privately acknowledges that St Kilda still has much work to do.

During his three years in charge, Bassat has overseen the sacking of coach Alan Richardson and the appointment of Ratten but has largely adopted a steady-as-she-goes approach.

The president has indicated he will take a more hands-on role in the coming months and believes there will be on and off-field progress next year.
Others insist the club has until July to demonstrate that the current plan is working and it is Thomas who now looms as the most ominous figure.

“I only have one good fight left in me and — as always — I’m very happy to use it for the cause of St Kilda,” he told the Herald Sun.

Thomas played 72 games for the Saints between 1978-83, understands governance, business, leadership and finance – and has a powerful voice.

He was a senior executive at MLC for 15 years, played a key role in overthrowing the Andrew Plympton regimen in 2000, coached at AFL level for six years (before then president Rod Butterss sensationally sacked him) and was a member of the St Kilda board that wiped a $5 million debt — which has since ballooned back beyond $12 million.

Thomas’ strained relationship with the suits at AFL house is an obvious sticking point, differences that stem back to his clashes with former league boss Andrew Demetriou.

But should that matter?

Outspoken Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has always found a way through, and the league’s relationship with the Richmond hierarchy hasn’t exactly been smooth sailing in recent years.
Besides, St Kilda fans only care about that elusive second premiership, not petty spats.

Bassat, the co-founder of Seek and brother of AFL commissioner Paul Bassat, would consider Thomas’ views regarding some of the club’s leaders to be harsh and is comfortable with his current group of directors, although Benge’s bid for a board seat will be given respect.

The Saints boss has promised to keep the dialogue open with Thomas, but it remains to be seen just how long the club’s old coach will keep listening before he decides to act
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St.Kilfa are going to implode agaiin, aren't they?
 
Hojuman said:
Yep. Hence the term " long suffering " if you look in the dictionary has a picture of a Saints supporter.
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Easy there tiger (no pun). AFL have slowly worked their way through preferred premiership contenders.

Saints might be next lucky raffle winners.

Though I suspect * are closing in a city hall handjob.
 

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King Corey said:
Easy there tiger (no pun). AFL have slowly worked their way through preferred premiership contenders.

Saints might be next lucky raffle winners.

Though I suspect * are closing in a city hall handjob.
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Had chances with better sides and still couldn't get it done. They won't with current side.
 
giantroo said:
Grant Thomas looms as the pressure mounts on Brett Ratten, Matt Finnis and Andrew Bassat
Grant Thomas might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but the former St Kilda coach has dominated in the business world and is closely watching proceedings at Moorabbin.

Michael Warner

4 min read
October 22, 2021 - 11:36AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../a89f9d6421a359d21b95dd560e0dc046#share-tools



Since his shock sacking as St Kilda coach at the hands of an unhinged club boss in 2006, Grant Thomas has built and sold a series of businesses for more than $150 million.

But for all his success in his decade and a half away from Moorabbin, Thomas has never wavered from his passion to see his beloved Saints taste the ultimate success.

They came close under his coaching in 2004 and 2005, and even closer under the man who inherited his team, Ross Lyon, in 2009 and 2010, but across the last 10 seasons St Kilda has reverted to normal transmission, playing finals just once.


Grant Thomas overseas St Kilda’s qualifying final against Adelaide in September 2005.

Grant Thomas overseas St Kilda’s qualifying final against Adelaide in September 2005.

Melbourne’s breakthrough grand final triumph in Perth means the Saints have now been handed the game’s most unwanted tag — the longest premiership drought among the game’s establishment clubs.

Murmurs of discontent have rumbled behind the scenes since midway through last season and will only grow louder if Brett Ratten’s troops get off to a shaky start in 2022, which begs the question: Has the time come for Thomas to step back into the fold and make a run for the St Kilda presidency, a prospect he hinted at earlier this week?

The recent sale of his digital bank ‘Up’ to Bendigo Bank for $126 million would suggest Thomas again has the time and energy to invest in his dream of seeing St Kilda become a blue chip club.

Thomas, 63, is not everyone’s cup of tea, but has a history and thirst for success.

He won four successive flags with Warrnambool, played a key role in the appointment of Denis Pagan when director of football at North Melbourne, led St Kilda to three consecutive finals series – only the second time in the club’s history – and saw his side win more games than any other team between 2004-2006.

The Herald Sun revealed on Monday that Thomas and business magnate Gerry Ryan were publicly backing dental surgeon Larry Benge’s bid to become a club director — a move that puts the St Kilda board and its president Andrew Bassat on notice.

Thomas met with Bassat during the week and outlined his concerns.

The re-emergence of Thomas and Ryan’s public endorsement of Benge would be cause for concern for St Kilda chiefs, including CEO Matt Finnis and high-profile chief operating officer Simon Lethlean.

Thomas respects Bassat’s presidency but believes major changes must be made this coming summer.

He is of the view that Finnis isn’t a strong enough leader and should be replaced, and that Lethlean needs to stick to his current role and deliver on his football department blueprint.

Thomas also has concerns around list management and the surprise appointment of the department’s head James Gallagher.

Thomas has also identified the lack of an experienced cultural and people manager to oversee the football department, a role adopted by Richmond with Neil Balme in 2017 and Melbourne this year with Mark Williams.

He believes that senior football figures David Rath and Ratten are heavily focused on strategy, tactics and data, while the “vital cultural connectedness piece is being ignored”.
St Kilda ceo and club coach Brett Ratten in the lead up to St Kilda’s clash with Brisbane at The Gabba in Round 13 2020. Picture: Michael Klein

St Kilda ceo and club coach Brett Ratten in the lead up to St Kilda’s clash with Brisbane at The Gabba in Round 13 2020. Picture: Michael Klein

They are the ruthless decisions Thomas says will send a signal to the St Kilda members and wider AFL industry that they are ready to compete with the league’s powerhouse clubs.

“In my view there are two types of teams in this competition: those in the premiership business and those simply playing AFL,” Thomas said.
“From my observation over the last decade, St Kilda is just playing AFL.”

There is a view from some agitators that Bassat and the board have been too easily seduced by Lethlean and his vision.

Bassat may not have liked the way Benge went about seeking the public support of Thomas and Ryan, but he did not dismiss their comments and privately acknowledges that St Kilda still has much work to do.

During his three years in charge, Bassat has overseen the sacking of coach Alan Richardson and the appointment of Ratten but has largely adopted a steady-as-she-goes approach.

The president has indicated he will take a more hands-on role in the coming months and believes there will be on and off-field progress next year.
Others insist the club has until July to demonstrate that the current plan is working and it is Thomas who now looms as the most ominous figure.

“I only have one good fight left in me and — as always — I’m very happy to use it for the cause of St Kilda,” he told the Herald Sun.

Thomas played 72 games for the Saints between 1978-83, understands governance, business, leadership and finance – and has a powerful voice.

He was a senior executive at MLC for 15 years, played a key role in overthrowing the Andrew Plympton regimen in 2000, coached at AFL level for six years (before then president Rod Butterss sensationally sacked him) and was a member of the St Kilda board that wiped a $5 million debt — which has since ballooned back beyond $12 million.

Thomas’ strained relationship with the suits at AFL house is an obvious sticking point, differences that stem back to his clashes with former league boss Andrew Demetriou.

But should that matter?

Outspoken Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has always found a way through, and the league’s relationship with the Richmond hierarchy hasn’t exactly been smooth sailing in recent years.
Besides, St Kilda fans only care about that elusive second premiership, not petty spats.

Bassat, the co-founder of Seek and brother of AFL commissioner Paul Bassat, would consider Thomas’ views regarding some of the club’s leaders to be harsh and is comfortable with his current group of directors, although Benge’s bid for a board seat will be given respect.

The Saints boss has promised to keep the dialogue open with Thomas, but it remains to be seen just how long the club’s old coach will keep listening before he decides to act
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Knock me down with a feather, Thomas to go on another ego/backstabbing trip!
Didn’t know he was involved with Pagan to come to North
 
Hojuman said:
Had chances with better sides and still couldn't get it done. They won't with current side.
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I agree with King Corey....
 
King Corey said:
Easy there tiger (no pun). AFL have slowly worked their way through preferred premiership contenders.

Saints might be next lucky raffle winners.

Though I suspect * are closing in a city hall handjob.
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Should there be an AA team picked on a body work basis?

Like every 4-5 years.

This team will weed out the flash in pan types that have 1 good season and award players who set high standard year, after year.

ie - A guy like Robbie Tarrant would more likely make this team over someone like Michael Hibbered (who is an AA)
Or Ben Cunnington compared to someone like Dan Hannebery (also an AA)

I'm not saying scrap the annual AA team but I think this award might carry more weight or and prestige than the concept we already have.
 
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