The Nuclear debate

[nut]

NEWSFLASH.
Just because you intend to go and scavenge cheap electricity to charge your car during peak solar times, so that you can take it home and top up your battery later, does not mean that most people will use their EV's in this manner.

You have no evidence to support your repeated claims .

I'd suggest most people will get home from work and plug their car in. They will get up in the morning and drive it to work.
I also have no evidence, my crystal ball is broken, but its no less correct than your assertion.

I’m a believer in incentives like saving a shit load of money, and when people understand that they are saving money and helping the transition then they’ll do it.

And yes you’ll just come home from work and plug your car in.. you’ll have your minimum reserve set and your house will use some small amount of power to get you through the peak period… then you’ll go to work and plug your car in… or simple drive over a wireless charger and top up on days where energy will be close to free because of excess solar.
Rinse repeat.

I’m predicting wireless charges will be able to move from one car to another automatically charging multiple cars during the day.

 

[peetoo]

Another group being dictated to by the government like csiro?

Dutton’s ‘brave’ nuclear bet relies on coal plants. Their owners are concerned — The Age

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s energy plan is for coal plants to keep running until nuclear is built. But the coal owners need answers.

apple.news

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I’m a believer in incentives like saving a shit load of money, and when people understand that they are saving money and helping the transition then they’ll do it.

And yes you’ll just come home from work and plug your car in.. you’ll have your minimum reserve set and your house will use some small amount of power to get you through the peak period… then you’ll go to work and plug your car in… or simple drive over a wireless charger and top up on days where energy will be close to free because of excess solar.
Rinse repeat.

I’m predicting wireless charges will be able to move from one car to another automatically charging multiple cars during the day.

Why do you think employers will give you such facilities?
Employers in cities don't even know where the employees park, except for a few upper managers.

I'm predicting that your predictions are wrong. Going to put a time frame on it?

 

[QuietB]

Another group being dictated to by the government like csiro?

Dutton’s ‘brave’ nuclear bet relies on coal plants. Their owners are concerned — The Age

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s energy plan is for coal plants to keep running until nuclear is built. But the coal owners need answers.

apple.news

The coal plants are going to be dead in 5-10 years - all requiring massive maintenance programs and upgrades.

Has Dutton mentioned who will pay for that?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The coal plants are going to be dead in 5-10 years - all requiring massive maintenance programs and upgrades.

Has Dutton mentioned who will pay for that?

If EV's take off as predicted, we'll need that electricity and someone will pay for it.
More likely though, Australians will continue buying 3 tonne shopping utes.

 

[nut]

Why do you think employers will give you such facilities?
Employers in cities don't even know where the employees park, except for a few upper managers.

I'm predicting that your predictions are wrong. Going to put a time frame on it?

Why do I think employers will want people to help save the planet? To save the planet.

We do need policies to help…. But I think it’ll make financial sense ….

Wether it’s work car parks or pay for car parks, anywhere cars are stationary for a long period of time will have some sort of charging ability…

 

[nut]

If EV's take off as predicted, we'll need that electricity and someone will pay for it.
More likely though, Australians will continue buying 3 tonne shopping utes.

Right now we have the majority of the power supply we need… we just can’t use it because we can’t store it.
The last 6 days have seen negative FIT so my system and thousands more, including solar farms have exported virtually nothing…

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Right now we have the majority of the power supply we need… we just can’t use it because we can’t store it.
The last 6 days have seen negative FIT so my system and thousands more, including solar farms have exported virtually nothing…

Garbage. We do not have close to the power supply we need.
All you keep spouting is that we have enough energy while the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. We don't have anywhere near enough surplus for significant storage.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Why do I think employers will want people to help save the planet? To save the planet.

We do need policies to help…. But I think it’ll make financial sense ….

Wether it’s work car parks or pay for car parks, anywhere cars are stationary for a long period of time will have some sort of charging ability…

Publicly listed companies in particular want to be green.
They report their carbon emissions.
They report the emissions from their "company cars and company leased cars " so they try to minimise these.
They don't report emissions from aircraft they use, taxi's , ubers, or from their staff driving their own cars to work.
Why wouldn't a company spend shitloads on a whim? Because companies don't.

EV Charging Station Infrastructure Costs and Breakdown — SparkCharge

Uncover a comprehensive analysis, breakdowns, and insights into the expenses associated with building and maintaining EV charging stations. Navigate the complexities of sustainable mobility infrastructure and make informed decisions as we explore the financial landscape of powering the future of ele

www.sparkcharge.io

So if you had 100 employees with their own cars , you are going to spend $100 000 on the slowest chargers, and give them electricity for free, so they can cart it home and top up their batteries.

 

[nut]

Publicly listed companies in particular want to be green.
They report their carbon emissions.
They report the emissions from their "company cars and company leased cars " so they try to minimise these.
They don't report emissions from aircraft they use, taxi's , ubers, or from their staff driving their own cars to work.
Why wouldn't a company spend shitloads on a whim? Because companies don't.

EV Charging Station Infrastructure Costs and Breakdown — SparkCharge

Uncover a comprehensive analysis, breakdowns, and insights into the expenses associated with building and maintaining EV charging stations. Navigate the complexities of sustainable mobility infrastructure and make informed decisions as we explore the financial landscape of powering the future of ele

www.sparkcharge.io

So if you had 100 employees with their own cars , you are going to spend $100 000 on the slowest chargers, and give them electricity for free, so they can cart it home and top up their batteries.

I never said it’s free… but day time charging rates will be extremely low. So it’ll be the charging infrastructure that’ll be the main cost. Even a granny charger will put 1.5KWh x 7 = 10.5KW….
Plus lots of business already have solar panels…

 

[nut]

Garbage. We do not have close to the power supply we need.
All you keep spouting is that we have enough energy while the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. We don't have anywhere near enough surplus for significant storage.

I did write “right now” meaning that point in time… but it is most of the time.. like now again .. and tomorrow etc…

 

[Rob R]

Sorry im a Strawman.
The quickest way China is reducing its reliance on coal is by producing as much wind and solar it can, as fast as it can… it realises the planet can’t wait for it to build nuclear.

Is that the reason or is it because Xi's increasing aggression towards their neighbours means they will justifiably face a blockade when he attacks peaceful Taiwan and need to enhance their energy security?

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[nut]

Is that the reason or is it because Xi's increasing aggression towards their neighbours means they will justifiably face a blockade when he attacks peaceful Taiwan and need to enhance their energy security?

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we don’t recognise Taiwan as a country and adhere to the one China policy.

 

[Rob R]

we don’t recognise Taiwan as a country and adhere to the one China policy.

We also clearly state peaceful resolution and oppose an invasion. When Xi launches his attack, the minimum should be support a blockade and seizure of all assets partially owned by the CCP and members.

And I said increasing aggression against his neighbours like Philippines and Indonesia not just Taiwan.

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[peetoo]

We also clearly state peaceful resolution and oppose an invasion. When Xi launches his attack, the minimum should be support a blockade and seizure of all assets partially owned by the CCP and members.

And I said increasing aggression against his neighbours like Philippines and Indonesia not just Taiwan.

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And if trump ‘purchases’ Greenland?

 

[Rob R]

And if trump ‘purchases’ Greenland?

Same logic applies to all peaceful agreements.

Likelihood of an aggressive act is a bit different though, I don't recall Trump firing missiles over Greenland, killing foreign fishermen in their own waters or seizing islands in breach of intentional court decision making. If Trump was to invade Greenland, he would probably be stopped by other elements of the US government (noting war requires approvsl of congress which he wouldnt get and most of the senior military thinks he is an idiot) and we would the EU, Japan and Korea etc in a response.

I do think it would be a great day if Xi, Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Kim and the Hamas leadership all fell out of a window


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[QuietB]

Garbage. We do not have close to the power supply we need.
All you keep spouting is that we have enough energy while the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. We don't have anywhere near enough surplus for significant storage.

So build it. And get consumers to pay for it.

That is the huge benefit of a massive scale roof top solar and bio directional car storage solution - government does not even have to pay for it - consumers do.

 

[QuietB]

We also clearly state peaceful resolution and oppose an invasion. When Xi launches his attack, the minimum should be support a blockade and seizure of all assets partially owned by the CCP and members.

And I said increasing aggression against his neighbours like Philippines and Indonesia not just Taiwan.

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Hmmmm, meanwhile in the real world the USA is directly or indirectly responsible for a huge percentage of every major conflict since WWII whilst China has been peaceful the entire time

 

[peetoo]

Same logic applies to all peaceful agreements.

Likelihood of an aggressive act is a bit different though, I don't recall Trump firing missiles over Greenland, killing foreign fishermen in their own waters or seizing islands in breach of intentional court decision making. If Trump was to invade Greenland, he would probably be stopped by other elements of the US government (noting war requires approvsl of congress which he wouldnt get and most of the senior military thinks he is an idiot) and we would the EU, Japan and Korea etc in a response.

I do think it would be a great day if Xi, Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Kim and the Hamas leadership all fell out of a window


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Putin is already quoting trumps ambitions as equivalent to his attempted conquests

 

[Rob R]

Putin is already quoting trumps ambitions as equivalent to his attempted conquests

Well Putin would to try and normalise his own criminal acts.

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[Rob R]

Hmmmm, meanwhile in the real world the USA is directly or indirectly responsible for a huge percentage of every major conflict since WWII whilst China has been peaceful the entire time [emoji848]

Peaceful?? tens of millions dead in a civil war and their policies after (won by largely chickening out of the war with Japan while the Chinese people and the nationalists fought heroically), invading Vietnam, invading India, seizing Tibet, encouraging and then supporting North Koreas attack on the south, threatening regularly to kill millions in Taiwan, threatening Japan and Philippines, encouraging and supporting Putin and Hamas - not really peaceful at all in fact, very violent but constrained by two greater powers until recently.

Not saying US is innocent by any means.

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[Grin]

ALP now resorting to a misleading and irresponsible anti-nuclear scare campaign.

30 countries around the world including our allies and major trading partners are using 400 reactors around the world.

Sign of desperation by the ALP?

Any private equity supporting Dutton's plan? Any at all?
Any Credible economists supporting it?
Everyone knows that the figure of $300 odd billion is utter BS. More likely to be at least 5 to 10 times that.
You're being grifted my friend.

 

[Not Important]

Dutton's "small modular reactors" four times the price

Peter Dutton’s "small modular reactors" would cost almost four times as much as renewables — with that gap widening a massive 30 per cent in six months.

theklaxon.com.au

 

[Deliverance]

Is there a working SMR anywhere in the west? Or are they not feasible?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Is there a working SMR anywhere in the west? Or are they not feasible?

I think the answer is NO, No.
There are none in the west. They are feasible.
Can we use a different term for the west , since australia is in a similar plane to Vladivostak and much of China?

Small modular reactor - Wikipedia

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