The off topic thread #2

[elhadjihenry]

I don't think that's the problem, I think the problem is the generic sound that has come to dominate. It's designed to appeal to the widest possible audience - thus becomes less challenging and more formulaic, generic crap. I mean tell me a tune over the last couple of years that is going to be remembered years from now? Our current top 10 (I just previewed it) is ******* dreadful. Full of American crap with absolutely nothing of merit at all. And this goes right across the board for all genres not just pop.

The bands of yesterday had something to say and were skilled musicians. Maybe it's because popular music was just more important back then. Now it's just lost in the mix. The biggest media events now are video game releases - not album releases. People are more interested in the latest series on Netflix than they are in music. That's just the changing times

This is the biggest load of shit I've ever read. The top 10 is commercial crap, take 5 minutes to look a bit deeper and there is brilliant music everywhere. If you can't be bothered then it's your loss.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Changing tastes means what you hear on the radio probably isn't the style you liked from a few decades ago.

Too right. I can't remember the last time I heard a song on the radio that wasn't about a booty call

 

[WealstoneRaider]

This is the biggest load of shit I've ever read. The top 10 is commercial crap, take 5 minutes to look a bit deeper and there is brilliant music everywhere. If you can't be bothered then it's your loss.

Sounds like I've hit a nerve.

This "dig deeper" is a complete load of bollocks. Society has changed so much that it just isn't conducive to creating meaningful artists anymore. We are more connected than ever - but in fact it's created a soulless mono-cultural environment that is being weened on a diet of mass-consumption which in turn reflects on our arts including music. If you wasn't around in the early 90's and before, then you are unlikely to understand what I'm getting at

 

[Cooldude]

I think the difference with music today compared to previous era's is that it's easier to get stuff out there. Youtube is huge and the internet in general is a massive weapon previous era's did not have.

So the market becomes saturated. Saturated with a lot of crap. There is still good music today, but it's just surrounded by crap music. Whereas the 60's was pretty much ALL AMAZING. There was no Justin Beiber or Rebecca Black etc in the 60's.

There's always a lot of crap every era, loads of crap disco shit back in the day too

Modern EDM shit is a bit sad since people who try to make electronic music can't seem to write any decent melody and end up writing noise.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Disco gets a lot of flak, but it actually created some really good music. Compare it to the shyte dance music of today (Calvin Harris etc) and it's absolutely miles ahead. It gets it's bad rep because it knocked rock music off its perch in the mid-70s and there was a huge backlash against it. I won't deny some of it was trite - but that's the same with all genres.

Won't bother replying direct to the dood as he wont see the reply anyway

 

[elhadjihenry]

Sounds like I've hit a nerve.

This "dig deeper" is a complete load of bollocks. Society has changed so much that it just isn't conducive to creating meaningful artists anymore. We are more connected than ever - but in fact it's created a soulless mono-cultural environment that is being weened on a diet of mass-consumption which in turn reflects on our arts including music. If you wasn't around in the early 90's and before, then you are unlikely to understand what I'm getting at

Couldn't care less, if you want to stick your head in the sand with your "things were better in my day" attitude then go ahead. The rest of us will enjoy listening to the great music that is around if you are willing to look for it.

I listen to music from the 1950-60s up to stuff coming out today, some of it sucks, some of it is great. You need to listen to more than commercial radio and top 10 lists if you want to find it though, and the fact you don't means that your opinion on the matter is pretty much worthless imo.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Couldn't care less, if you want to stick your head in the sand with your "things were better in my day" attitude then go ahead. The rest of us will enjoy listening to the great music that is around if you are willing to look for it.

I listen to music from the 1950-60s up to stuff coming out today, some of it sucks, some of it is great. You need to listen to more than commercial radio and top 10 lists if you want to find it though, and the fact you don't means that your opinion on the matter is pretty much worthless imo.

It's not about being "in my day". I freely accept that today's generation have many good things now that I didn't have growing up. But music ain't one of them. I'm sorry if you disagree but you'll never change my opinion on that. And I have looked deep - and there really is very little of note there

 

[Loonerty]

Here's how we can help.

WealstoneRaider, who are some of your favourite artists?

 

[elhadjihenry]

It's not about being "in my day". I freely accept that today's generation have many good things now that I didn't have growing up. But music ain't one of them. I'm sorry if you disagree but you'll never change my opinion on that. And I have looked deep - and there really is very little of note there

Exactly what I'm saying, you are stuck in your ways and refuse to accept the reality that differs from your own view of it. You'll never change so you'll never get to enjoy it, but don't complain about the rest of us doing so.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Exactly what I'm saying, you are stuck in your ways and refuse to accept the reality that differs from your own view of it. You'll never change so you'll never get to enjoy it, but don't complain about the rest of us doing so.

Everyone's reality is different, so there is no one true perspective. The reality here though is that I assume I've lived longer than you, and therefore I have a wider perspective on many issues. We used to have a saying "respect your elders" because of this fact. Something I believe the younger generation no longer adhere to

 

[Loonerty]

Everyone's reality is different, so there is no one true perspective. The reality here though is that I assume I've lived longer than you, and therefore I have a wider perspective on many issues. We used to have a saying "respect your elders" because of this fact. Something I believe the younger generation no longer adhere to

And yet incredibly narrow on others.

 

[Loonerty]

Everyone's reality is different, so there is no one true perspective. The reality here though is that I assume I've lived longer than you, and therefore I have a wider perspective on many issues. We used to have a saying "respect your elders" because of this fact. Something I believe the younger generation no longer adhere to

Also, lol!
You were the one who used the absolute of "music now is garbage" when you haven't tried finding anything you like.

 

[elhadjihenry]

Everyone's reality is different, so there is no one true perspective. The reality here though is that I assume I've lived longer than you, and therefore I have a wider perspective on many issues. We used to have a saying "respect your elders" because of this fact. Something I believe the younger generation no longer adhere to

Why would people respect someone who is shit-canning the entire modern music industry that they know nothing about? You might have a wider perspective on some things, music certainly doesn't seem to be one of them.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

And yet incredibly narrow on others.

So are you saying that there are a plethora of great musical artists out there that will go down in history as those from the 60,s, 70's and even 80's and 90's have done? History will be the judge, but I'm pretty sure it will gloss over the last 15 years or so. The fact is good things, sadly, aren't indefinite.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Why would people respect someone who is shit-canning the entire modern music industry that they know nothing about? You might have a wider perspective on some things, music certainly doesn't seem to be one of them.

I know enough to form an opinion. I've given you an inkling for the decline in music, which you haven't touched upon other than hurl age-related insults at me

 

[Loonerty]

So are you saying that there are a plethora of great musical artists out there that will go down in history as those from the 60,s, 70's and even 80's and 90's have done? History will be the judge, but I'm pretty sure it will gloss over the last 15 years or so. The fact is good things, sadly, aren't indefinite.

Absolutely there will be.

Did people know in the 70s that Led Zeppelin would be regarded as they are today? Probably not.

 

[elhadjihenry]

I know enough to form an opinion. I've given you an inkling for the decline in music, which you haven't touched upon other than hurl age-related insults at me

lol there were no insults, just a response when you used your age as a reason why you think you are the ultimate authority on music.

I've told you on many occasions that there is great music to find these days, while all you have talked about is what is in the top 10. You clearly don't know enough to form a proper opinion, and you seem happy to stick with your existing one that all modern music is shit. Don't expect anyone to agree with you though.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Absolutely there will be.

Did people know in the 70s that Led Zeppelin would be regarded as they are today? Probably not.

The critics hated Zeppelin it's true, but the public loved them. They broke the Beatles attendance records right across the U.S. You can't seriously compare any band of the last 15 years with Led Zeppelin? Who is the big band at the moment? Twenty One Pilots?

 

[Jatz]

Coldplay would be up there.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Coldplay would be up there.

Coldplay have been about since '99. You can't really call them current. And as we said they're not bad, but they are some way off being at the level of the true greats. They kind of gave the 00's some kind of voice though

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Im not having a go at the younger generation here by the way. It's no ones fault that 21 pilots have become the face and sound of today's youth. You could say you get what you are given, or some might say what you deserve. Anyway, the truth of the matter is today's youth just aren't as interested in music as previous generations, and quite frankly who can blame them?

 

[Jatz]

Coldplay have been about since '99. You can't really call them current. And as we said they're not bad, but they are some way off being at the level of the true greats. They kind of gave the 00's some kind of voice though

Why can't you call them current? They released another album this year after releasing one 18 - 24 months ago. They're definitely still active.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Why can't you call them current? They released another album this year after releasing one 18 - 24 months ago. They're definitely still active.

Yeah they're active - but Pink Floyd released an album a couple of years ago on that basis. They probably just about current in all fairness - but they don't really belong to the kids of today. Most fans would now be well past 20 I'd reckon.

 

[bok_party]

Yeah they're active - but Pink Floyd released an album a couple of years ago on that basis. They probably just about current in all fairness - but they don't really belong to the kids of today. Most fans would now be well past 20 I'd reckon.

So what bracket is considered current? 2010 onwards?

Just like back in the day, the top 10 was never a great barometer of what was considered good music, just like today. You get the same types of people listening to popular crap as they did back then. The art is finding the gold beyond that.

The National, Sufjan Stevens and Frightened Rabbit are critically acclaimed bands who are popular within the "indie" world but never seemed to make it into the top 10.

 

[Cruyff14]

Fair enough. I prefer having headphones on and listening to it that way.

Go to more concerts, up close, and you'll realise the error in your ways