The off topic thread #2

[SM]

Who is saying they are wrong? You can't be wrong about your own taste. But doesn't mean you have good taste. I'm not sure you grasping the difference

I think you're the one misunderstanding what I'm saying. All I'm saying is taste is subjective, it is not objective. There is only such thing as bad taste from a particular person's point of view. Taste is all about perspective. I think my GF has terrible taste for liking Pride and Prejudice, my Mum thinks she has great taste, neither of us are wrong for thinking that.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Hate to break it to you but The Beatles were a boy band.

It's not an argument I will even engage with its so stoopid.

Oh wait, they were boys who played in a band, who initially wrote mainly love songs! Wow they're a boy band!!

 

[SM]

It's not an argument I will even engage with its so stoopid.

Oh wait, they were boys who played in a band, who initially wrote mainly love songs! Wow they're a boy band!!

I'm not sure many would say that The Beatles aren't one of the original boy bands. They developed as they grew older, but bands such as 1D are still young. I'm not comparing the quality of their songs, I'm just comparing the genres. Thought it wasn't that controversial to call The Beatles a boy band..

 

[chef]

Who is saying they are wrong? You can't be wrong about your own taste. But doesn't mean you have good taste. I'm not sure you grasping the difference

Arent you saying they are wrong?

Your the one judging taste.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I think you're the one misunderstanding what I'm saying. All I'm saying is taste is subjective, it is not objective. There is only such thing as bad taste from a particular person's point of view. Taste is all about perspective. I think my GF has terrible taste for liking Pride and Prejudice, my Mum thinks she has great taste, neither of us are wrong for thinking that.

Yes all true but there is a general consensus of good and bad taste which generally exists. The PC brigade try to deny this but for any sane individual they still judge people on their tastes (to a degree)

 

[SM]

Yes all true but there is a general consensus of good and bad taste which generally exists. The PC brigade try to deny this but for any sane individual they still judge people on their tastes (to a degree)

Yes, there are mainstream opinions of things, but that has nothing to do with individual taste. I have no idea how 'the PC brigade' even comes into this.

Of course you can judge people on their tastes, as I said, judgement of good or bad taste is about perspective.

 

[elhadjihenry]

Im not one to judge people on their tastes as everyone likes different things.

I really dont care much for the 70s stuff outside of late 70s Oz/Brit punk. The late 80s to late 90s is the greatest area of music to me. But thats just my taste.

Exactly, it completely depends on what kind of music you are into.

Those who are into rock & roll could say the 50/60s, rock would probably think the 80s/90s, classical would be the 1700's, soul/disco would think the 60s & 70s, hip hop it would be the early 90s, house music is would be the mid-late 90s, anyone who likes trap or EDM would potentially think the greatest era is the current one. It's literally impossible for one person to say that music from any one era is better than another, because it is based entirely on their personal (and completely subjective) taste. The music that often gets called the greatest of all time tends to just be the most popular.

That's the beauty of music, there is no universal standard to judge it by, it's something that creates a personal and emotional response in people. If a certain person doesn't like a song that doesn't make it necessarily bad, as someone else (whose opinion and taste is just as valid) may think its fantastic. Someone who says that someone else has bad taste is really just saying they have different taste. The great thing is that there is so much music out there - especially today - that there is something that everyone will love, as long as they have an open mind (yes WealstoneRaider that is a dig at you).

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I'm not sure many would say that The Beatles aren't one of the original boy bands. They developed as they grew older, but bands such as 1D are still young. I'm not comparing the quality of their songs, I'm just comparing the genres. Thought it wasn't that controversial to call The Beatles a boy band..

It's a silly argument and one that makes you appear foolish if you rose it with any sincerity

 

[chef]

I'm not sure many would say that The Beatles aren't one of the original boy bands. They developed as they grew older, but bands such as 1D are still young. I'm not comparing the quality of their songs, I'm just comparing the genres. Thought it wasn't that controversial to call The Beatles a boy band..

My mum thought it was pretty similar when 1D came to Australia the first time to when she went nuts when the Beatles came to Australia the first time. She saw herself in her granddaughter.

 

[SM]

It's a silly argument and one that makes you appear foolish if you rose it with any sincerity

You think suggesting The Beatles were a boy band is a silly argument?

 

[Cooldude]

To be fair to the Beatles they are the best melody writers possibly ever

And I like their latter day stuff more than their early boy band stuff

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Exactly, it completely depends on what kind of music you are into.

Those who are into rock & roll could say the 50/60s, rock would probably think the 80s/90s, classical would be the 1700's, soul/disco would think the 60s & 70s, hip hop it would be the early 90s, house music is would be the mid-late 90s, anyone who likes trap or EDM would potentially think the greatest era is the current one. It's literally impossible for one person to say that music from any one era is better than another, because it is based entirely on their personal (and completely subjective) taste. The music that often gets called the greatest of all time tends to just be the most popular.

That's the beauty of music, there is no universal standard to judge it by, it's something that creates a personal and emotional response in people. If a certain person doesn't like a song that doesn't make it necessarily bad, as someone else (whose opinion and taste is just as valid) may think its fantastic. Someone who says that someone else has bad taste is really just saying they have different taste. The great thing is that there is so much music out there - especially today - that there is something that everyone will love, as long as they have an open mind (yes WealstoneRaider that is a dig at you).

I would never think someone was "bad" for liking or not liking a certain style/piece of music. That's where people are misunderstanding this. But you will form an opinion, it's natural to.

 

[SM]

To be fair to the Beatles they are the best melody writers possibly ever

And I like their latter day stuff more than their early boy band stuff

Oh absolutely, and I'm not for a second arguing that they didn't evolve into a completely different band, hell they basically wrote music in every genre. I was just suggesting that they began as a boy band.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Arent you saying they are wrong?

Your the one judging taste.

So you never judge someone's taste then? If their tastes suits them, say their dress sense for example, then no it's not wrong. If it didn't suit them, and the vast majority thought the same, then yes I'd go along with them being wrong

 

[Cooldude]

My mum thought it was pretty similar when 1D came to Australia the first time to when she went nuts when the Beatles came to Australia the first time. She saw herself in her granddaughter.

Ah well no one will remember 1D in 10 years

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Yes, there are mainstream opinions of things, but that has nothing to do with individual taste. I have no idea how 'the PC brigade' even comes into this.

Of course you can judge people on their tastes, as I said, judgement of good or bad taste is about perspective.

PC brigade comes into this because it's one of these cases where "oh you can't say/think that because you might offend someone". The point is some people have bad taste, but for today's snowflakes that is taught as "different" tastes. This goes back to what I was saying earlier about creative thinking. You're not allowed to form your own opinions because they've got to be "socially acceptable" and therefore you are taught what to think before you've even had a chance to work it out yourself. Right there is a stickler for hampering the creative process.

 

[Sozabarus]

It's actually really funny people bagging 1D in here when they're literally a 21st Century Beatles.

1D are a vocal band who sing songs that other people wrote or helped them write. I don't even know if any of them can play an instrument.

That's not me bagging on them and if people like them then whatever but they're nothing like The Beatles other than they are a group of males who release music. To me a band play instruments and write music which is something 1D don't do as far as I'm aware.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Lol how did we get to making a comparison between 1D and the Beatles? Some people have clearly taken leave of their senses

 

[elhadjihenry]

PC brigade comes into this because it's one of these cases where "oh you can't say/think that because you might offend someone". The point is some people have bad taste, but for today's snowflakes that is taught as "different" tastes. This goes back to what I was saying earlier about creative thinking. You're not allowed to form your own opinions because they've got to be "socially acceptable" and therefore you are taught what to think before you've even had a chance to work it out yourself. Right there is a stickler for hampering the creative process.

This whole debate has started because you said that all new music was crap and that music died in the 90s. If anything hampers the creativity of musicians today it's opinions like that.

 

[chef]

So you never judge someone's taste then? If their tastes suits them, say their dress sense for example, then no it's not wrong. If it didn't suit them, and the vast majority thought the same, then yes I'd go along with them being wrong

No. But i work in an industry of varied 'tastes' so i guess i see it differently.

 

[SM]

1D are a vocal band who sing songs that other people wrote or helped them write. I don't even know if any of them can play an instrument.

That's not me bagging on them and if people like them then whatever but they're nothing like The Beatles other than they are a group of males who release music. To me a band play instruments and write music which is something 1D don't do as far as I'm aware.

My point was that they both are/were boy bands to begin with and were huge phenomenons, it was a point regarding taste and style. The Beatles were a hugely main stream, poppy, simplistic band to begin with. That was the beginning and the end of the comparison.

 

[SM]

So you never judge someone's taste then? If their tastes suits them, say their dress sense for example, then no it's not wrong. If it didn't suit them, and the vast majority thought the same, then yes I'd go along with them being wrong

Again you seem to be misunderstanding our point, everyone acknowledges that we judge people's taste. Everyone acknowledges that we think some have bad taste some have good taste. Where we seem to be disagreeing is that taste is entirely subjective and personal, and what someone considers to be bad taste another can think is good taste.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

This whole debate has started because you said that all new music was crap and that music died in the 90s. If anything hampers the creativity of musicians today it's opinions like that.

Why the hell would that opinion hamper today's artists - if anything it should encourage them to prove the likes of me wrong. Every generation hates the one before it - that's a large part of where their creative force is aimed towards. No the reasons why creatively we are spent go much, much deeper

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Again you seem to be misunderstanding our point, everyone acknowledges that we judge people's taste. Everyone acknowledges that we think some have bad taste some have good taste. Where we seem to be disagreeing is that taste is entirely subjective and personal, and what someone considers to be bad taste another can think is good taste.

Lol is that your only point - that's not even a point that needs making as its just logic. "We all have different tastes" is like the simple mans answer to all this. I moved us past that point

 

[SM]

Lol is that your only point - that's not even a point that needs making as its just logic. "We all have different tastes" is like the simple mans answer to all this. I moved us past that point

So then why were you disagreeing with me? Maybe now you understand why I was confused by you disagreeing with what I said?