The off topic thread 4.0

[Fwoy]

isn’t the Falou argument that his tweet was a direct biblical reference? Hence the argument that religious freedom is being suppressed. Again, I haven’t closely followed the case so only what I have picked up.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I agree with you that there are pockets where political correctness has gone too far, but this isn’t one of them. You mention violent crime in London, have you looked into the history of discrimination and violent crime against the gay community?

I really don’t see the 2 scenarios I’ve proposed to be too dissimilar. Either both are inciting terrorism, or neither are.

When influential people like Israel Folau exercise freedom of speech for this purpose, it creates an environment where some of their more impressionable or extreme followers will feel empowered to act out against those groups. Some groups are particularly vulnerable to this, the gay community being one of them.

Conversely - if we look at inner city, upper-middle class, straight, white men - people like me - not so much. Israel can say what he likes about me, in this country it’s extremely unlikely it’s going impact on my life in any meaningful way. “Sticks and stones” as you said.

This is what I mean when I say for me, there are boundaries to freedom of expression which are situation and group dependent. There needs to be some consideration of the end product of those words, which in this instance is very much based in reality and not ‘political correctness gone mad’.

Folau hasn’t been charged by the Police for his words so obviously by law what he said isn’t tantamount to inciting terrorism towards gays. However his employer deemed it appropriate to have in place a contract that limited his right to freedom of expression or speech. That is probably what he wants the funds to take legal action against. I’d be interested to see if he could win a legal battle in this instance, as more and more employers are assuming complete control on what we can and can’t say. For me it’s now gone too far, it’s starting to feel like we are all living our lives in a straight-jacket.

If a Muslim cleric said the same thing about Christians - as I’ve already said I don’t believe the police would become involved either, but anti-terrorism would then have him on their radars and their intelligence agencies would determine if the cleric was a real threat or not.

 

[ADL9798]

However his employer deemed it appropriate to have in place a contract that limited his right to freedom of expression or speech. That is probably what he wants the funds to take legal action against. I’d be interested to see if he could win a legal battle in this instance, as more and more employers are assuming complete control on what we can and can’t say. For me it’s now gone too far, it’s starting to feel like we are all living our lives in a straight-jacket.

Have you considered the alternative from a commercial perspective?

Let’s say Rugby Australia had taken no action against Folau for this 2nd breach of contract, I suspect we would’ve seen Alan Joyce, gay man and CEO of Qantas, Wallabies sponsor of 30 years (chief sponsor since 2004) exercising his right to freedom of not pumping tens of millions of dollars into Rugby Australia’s coffers, + possible loss of other sponsors who felt their brand’s reputation was being damaged by being associated with Folau and Rugby Australia.

Doesn’t Rugby Australia (or any employer for that matter) have a right to freedom of acting within the bounds of the law and their contractual framework to protect their commercial interests?

'This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire

The Rugby Australia chairman has opened fire on sacked Wallaby Israel Folau.

www.smh.com.au

Mr Clyne said the prospect of a drawn out court battle was a "painful" one for Australian rugby, but the alternative was worse if RA had not acted against Folau's Instagram post in April warning homosexuals, among other groups, were destined for hell.

“[The alternative] would be that we'd have no sponsors at all because no sponsor has indicated they would be willing to be associated with social media posts of that sort and that includes government, because we've also heard from them," he said.

"We would also potentially be in litigation with employees who are gay and who would say we're not providing a work place that is safe or respectful."

RA receives federal and state funding across different levels of the game.

 

[Zidane98]

Folan can have no complaints really, he was warned about his conduct and he continued to offend in breach of his contract.

I suspect his legal representation are pursuing an out of court settlement because I see little prospect of him winning his case.

 

[SM]

I've started watching Better Call Saul Zoom, I see what you mean.

 

[typeclub]

The censorship by the big tech companies of conservative thought is probably criminal. Can’t believe the Trump admin isn’t already on to it.

Fwoy

Its like when you get banned from Off Topic forum. Snowflakes need everyone to agree with them as they are very insecure.

 

[typeclub]

I know conservatives who would be angered if they heard someone say that Folau's views came under "conservative thought".

That's nice, would you like a special badge or something.

 

[Cruyff14]

I've started watching Better Call Saul Zoom, I see what you mean.

Billions is worth the watch too.

 

[Fwoy]

Billions is worth the watch too.

Yep, both shows are top notch and a great reason to have Stan

 

[jd2010]

Hats off to the idea by Triple M with the no talk day to raise awareness of men's mental health. Good cause & for those who like that sort of music a full day of music on today

 

[jd2010]

Cruyff14 seriously how'd MAFS not win a logie?

 

[Cruyff14]

Cruyff14 seriously how'd MAFS not win a logie?

I am glad it didn't.

So glad Tom Gleeson won as well. He is brilliant.

 

[Latro]

I am glad it didn't.

So glad Tom Gleeson won as well. He is brilliant.

But he turned the Logies into a joke.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

But he turned the Logies into a joke.

The Logies already were a complete joke.

 

[SM]

But he turned the Logies into a joke.

Turned?

 

[Latro]

Guys I was joking. That is what that midget Deneyer said.

 

[Cruyff14]

What was hilarious was that ACA confronted him about it, then Tracey Grimshaw had a spiel after the segment ended.

Love, you're the host of ACA. You're hardly a shining beacon of light in the media industry. Grub.

 

[jd2010]

She's the grub getting paid for a show you watched?

 

[Cruyff14]

It was on in the background, wasn't fixated on the television and not something I sit down to plan to ever watch.

 

[Cruyff14]

glenferry23 Loonerty and all the other Marvel fans

Every Marvel superhero movie, definitively ranked

From Iron Man to Spider-Man: Far From Home, here is every film in the MCU ranked from 23 to 1.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Loonerty]

glenferry23 Loonerty and all the other Marvel fans

Every Marvel superhero movie, definitively ranked

From Iron Man to Spider-Man: Far From Home, here is every film in the MCU ranked from 23 to 1.

www.theage.com.au

Ragnarok at 15 is a crime. Infinity War at 7 is a crime.

 

[glenferry23]

I can’t fault the number 1, good choose. But Black Panther ahead of Infinity War and Ragnarok? Pfft.

 

[Loonerty]

I can’t fault the number 1, good choose. But Black Panther ahead of Infinity War and Ragnarok? Pfft.

Agreed. Winter Soldier, Civil War, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame are my top 5 (not in that order).

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

I’m currently In the process of watching all the Marvel movies. Upto the first Thor, actually really enjoyed Iron Man 1&2, but the Incredible Hulk was a very average movie, first and last time I think I’ll watch that.

 

[glenferry23]

Agreed. Winter Soldier, Civil War, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame are my top 5 (not in that order).

Good list buddy. Mine would be very similar, perhaps for me Endgame is just squeezed out of the top 5 (and replaced with the very first Iron Man).