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Slumdog Millionaire.
Successful and award winning book prior, made on a small budget(15 million) and Danny Boyle had some successful films (trainspotting/sunshine/28 days later/the beach). It only really became successful after it won awards at the Oscars and was then re-released.
 
That's not what we are saying. We would welcome it. It's just that the studios won't do it.

The general public who aren't film buffs only watch a movie when there are big actors. I've worked at the cinemas and I've studied it. I know the types of people who come in and what they will watch. I know the demographics. I've tried to persuade people to watch a great film but they will choose the real bad action film because it has well known actors. That's a fact.
Exactly but he makes up his own narrative so just let him believe what he wants to.
 

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That's not what we are saying. We would welcome it. It's just that the studios won't do it.

The general public who aren't film buffs only watch a movie when there are big actors. I've worked at the cinemas and I've studied it. I know the types of people who come in and what they will watch. I know the demographics. I've tried to persuade people to watch a great film but they will choose the real bad action film because it has well known actors. That's a fact.

I still think that's a big steaming pile of crap. People watch the movies that get the shit hyped out of them because they're a part of a big franchise, or have good marketing campaigns. Do you honestly think people went to see Deadpool because they love Ryan Reynolds?
 
Successful and award winning book prior, made on a small budget(15 million) and Danny Boyle had some successful films (trainspotting/sunshine/28 days later/the beach). It only really became successful after it won awards at the Oscars and was then re-released.

Think I went to see it because I'd heard the buzz before the Oscars. A good example again of movies being popular because it was a good movie and everyone was talking about it. The fact I didn't know the names of the men and women playing characters on the screen had no bearing on me seeing it.
 
Think I went to see it because I'd heard the buzz before the Oscars. A good example again of movies being popular because it was a good movie and everyone was talking about it. The fact I didn't know the names of the men and women playing characters on the screen had no bearing on me seeing it.
Again, you are different to the majority of the cinema going public. I love my films so I don't care who's in it as long as the story is good but there's the other end of the spectrum: those that only watch certain films because of certain actors. The reason Gods of Egypt had Gerard Butler and Lannister was because they spent so much money on making the film, they needed to try and recoup their investment and, with no racism from myself or Jod and possibly the studio, they felt the best way was to get a lead actor who is (arguably) popular. That's the harsh reality of the circumstances currently. Very few white people watch Bollywood films despite there being an all Indian cast. To be fair, those films don't get the marketing that Hollywood films would but the general public scoff at that stuff hence why they need names. It they had cast Denzel in Butlers role, it would still be the same situation that we'd be talking about. He wouldn't fit the role but he's got that status that brings people in.
 
I still think that's a big steaming pile of crap. People watch the movies that get the shit hyped out of them because they're a part of a big franchise, or have good marketing campaigns. Do you honestly think people went to see Deadpool because they love Ryan Reynolds?
people know who Ryan Reynolds is regardless of if its a good or bad thing. This casting was a match made in heaven. The marketing was superb too. That's a culmination of everything working together beautifully. Plus people generally watch superhero things. They are an easier sell than they used to be.
 
people know who Ryan Reynolds is regardless of if its a good or bad thing. This casting was a match made in heaven. The marketing was superb too. That's a culmination of everything working together beautifully. Plus people generally watch superhero things. They are an easier sell than they used to be.

Going to be very interesting to see how Black Panther goes. According to Jod that will be a flop, yes?

Again, you are different to the majority of the cinema going public. I love my films so I don't care who's in it as long as the story is good but there's the other end of the spectrum: those that only watch certain films because of certain actors. The reason Gods of Egypt had Gerard Butler and Lannister was because they spent so much money on making the film, they needed to try and recoup their investment and, with no racism from myself or Jod and possibly the studio, they felt the best way was to get a lead actor who is (arguably) popular. That's the harsh reality of the circumstances currently. Very few white people watch Bollywood films despite there being an all Indian cast. To be fair, those films don't get the marketing that Hollywood films would but the general public scoff at that stuff hence why they need names. It they had cast Denzel in Butlers role, it would still be the same situation that we'd be talking about. He wouldn't fit the role but he's got that status that brings people in.

See as much as I appreciate the implication I'm a more sophisticated movie goer ( :P) I just don't see that being the case. Maybe I'm idyllic, but I genuinely can't see people going to watch a trash movie just because they know people in it. Bale being in Gods of Egypt won't save that, for instance. US megastar Egerton, along with Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor were in Jane's Got a Gun and that movie tanked horrendously, with no evidence that their star appeal brought anyone through the doors. I just don't see it. Good movies will be popular if they're good movies. There are some crap movies that are popular, but those are generally parts of franchises.
 
Still putting words in other peoples mouths. You do it all the time mate. I never once mentioned Black Panther.

Goodness me.

:confused: I know you didn't. You said movies with ethnicities in major roles will flop.

Still waiting for your response on Slumdog Millionaire by the way.
 

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Soooo Clinton vs Trump, this is gonna be a painful painful US election, even more than usual

Yeah really not looking forward to that. :cry:
 
:confused: I know you didn't. You said movies with ethnicities in major roles will flop.

Still waiting for your response on Slumdog Millionaire by the way.
No I didnt. I cant keep arguing with you about stuff I havent said. Haha. It's completely ridiculous.

You suck at arguing bro. :thumbsu:
 
Going to be very interesting to see how Black Panther goes. According to Jod that will be a flop, yes?



See as much as I appreciate the implication I'm a more sophisticated movie goer ( :p) I just don't see that being the case. Maybe I'm idyllic, but I genuinely can't see people going to watch a trash movie just because they know people in it. Bale being in Gods of Egypt won't save that, for instance. US megastar Egerton, along with Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor were in Jane's Got a Gun and that movie tanked horrendously, with no evidence that their star appeal brought anyone through the doors. I just don't see it. Good movies will be popular if they're good movies. There are some crap movies that are popular, but those are generally parts of franchises.

It won't be a flop though because it's a Marvel film and it's part of their cinematic universe plus he will be in Captain America: Civil War, which will introduce the hero to audiences that don't know about him. It will also be a big deal because he's pretty much the first black super hero with his own film (Blade and Spawn don't count) and because it's Marvel, money will be thrown into it's marketing. It will hopefully go someway to showing that black/coloured actor's can lead a franchise/blockbuster film. A small step is still bigger than no steps/backwards steps.

I am just assuming that you watch higher quality films (apart from the fact you enjoyed Olympus Has Fallen :confused:) because you said that you don't really care who is in them! Unfortunately, it's more of a case than you think. Alot of the older generations are still stuck in times before the internet, where they only really knew about certain actors/films through the TV/newspapers whereas the younger generation have grown up with the internet and IMDB/Wiki at their fingertips to learn about actors/films not to mention that they are also in the golden age of TV so it's much easier for them to recognise faces and search for the best films to go and see. I think in another 10-20 years, alot of what we are arguing about won't be an issue as this younger generation is much more accepting of others and willing to spend their cash on doing something so are more likely to watch a film with mostly no name black actors.

Jane's Got A Gun had numerous set troubles from memory and has 36% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. See, even myself, who would rather watch a great film, is tempted to watch this because there are good actors so imagine people who aren't as into films as I am and how they would be.

Sometimes a good movie will be popular ala Slumdog Millionaire but much of the time they don't. I spoke to my old boss and he says that Concussion has done poorly despite being a decent movie and having Will Smith as the lead actor. The Big Short didn't seem to do that well either despite winning awards. Then you get Ride Along 2 or Dirty Grandpa that rakes in the dollars despite negative reviews. That could just be down to demographics in the area but the reality is that the best films don't always get seen.
 
No I didnt. I cant keep arguing with you about stuff I havent said. Haha. It's completely ridiculous.

You suck at arguing bro. :thumbsu:

Haha. You said that movies with ethnicities in major roles would flop and that if I headed a movie studio and did that it would go bankrupt. Haha. Unless of course you're admitting that was a strawman argument that you made. Haha.

Haha.
 
It won't be a flop though because it's a Marvel film and it's part of their cinematic universe plus he will be in Captain America: Civil War, which will introduce the hero to audiences that don't know about him. It will also be a big deal because he's pretty much the first black super hero with his own film (Blade and Spawn don't count) and because it's Marvel, money will be thrown into it's marketing. It will hopefully go someway to showing that black/coloured actor's can lead a franchise/blockbuster film. A small step is still bigger than no steps/backwards steps.

I am just assuming that you watch higher quality films (apart from the fact you enjoyed Olympus Has Fallen :confused:) because you said that you don't really care who is in them! Unfortunately, it's more of a case than you think. Alot of the older generations are still stuck in times before the internet, where they only really knew about certain actors/films through the TV/newspapers whereas the younger generation have grown up with the internet and IMDB/Wiki at their fingertips to learn about actors/films not to mention that they are also in the golden age of TV so it's much easier for them to recognise faces and search for the best films to go and see. I think in another 10-20 years, alot of what we are arguing about won't be an issue as this younger generation is much more accepting of others and willing to spend their cash on doing something so are more likely to watch a film with mostly no name black actors.

Jane's Got A Gun had numerous set troubles from memory and has 36% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. See, even myself, who would rather watch a great film, is tempted to watch this because there are good actors so imagine people who aren't as into films as I am and how they would be.

Sometimes a good movie will be popular ala Slumdog Millionaire but much of the time they don't. I spoke to my old boss and he says that Concussion has done poorly despite being a decent movie and having Will Smith as the lead actor. The Big Short didn't seem to do that well either despite winning awards. Then you get Ride Along 2 or Dirty Grandpa that rakes in the dollars despite negative reviews. That could just be down to demographics in the area but the reality is that the best films don't always get seen.

But see The Big Short is a perfect example of having these big name white actors to 'carry' the film and it didn't do well because the subject matter didn't appeal to people. I'd argue the same with Concussion. The subject of the film just wasn't that appealing. You're basically making my point for me that movies with unappealing plots will tank no matter what star power is attached, while movies with negative reviews but with silly raucous humour will do well. Funnily enough, I didn't see any white actors in the lead roles in Ride Along 2 and that doesn't seem to have held it back.
 
Haha. You said that movies with ethnicities in major roles would flop and that if I headed a movie studio and did that it would go bankrupt. Haha. Unless of course you're admitting that was a strawman argument that you made. Haha.

Haha.
Do me a favour. Go back and find a quote mate. You wont find it, because that's not what I said.

You're really bad at this mate. I think you might need a lie down.
 

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As pointed out Joel Edgerton is not a relatively unknown actor. As also pointed out, he's not the main star. Christian Bale is, who is a HUGE hollywood star.

Ok well you can be the first studio to start doing it. Also when your studio goes bankrupt let me know how that goes.

It's a money issue.

Hm.
 
But see The Big Short is a perfect example of having these big name white actors to 'carry' the film and it didn't do well because the subject matter didn't appeal to people. I'd argue the same with Concussion. The subject of the film just wasn't that appealing. You're basically making my point for me that movies with unappealing plots will tank no matter what star power is attached, while movies with negative reviews but with silly raucous humour will do well. Funnily enough, I didn't see any white actors in the lead roles in Ride Along 2 and that doesn't seem to have held it back.
You said that good movies will be popular if they are good. Big Short is an example of that not being the case. You generally find these films are more in the vein of "indies" rather than being blockbusters. We were referring to blockbuster films in regards to race etc were we not?

Ride Along 2 is a sequel that cost 40 million and has tripled that. The first was very successful hence the sequel would be plus Ice Cube and Kevin Hart have been killing it promotionally around the world and Hart is very popular right now. It's not a blockbuster film either.
 
Yeah really not looking forward to that. :cry:

I don't even like Hillary Clinton coz she's shady as, but god please win, please win. Trump is too much if a s**tstain of humanity to get near the big job but I suspect there are enough white supremacists racists sexists bigots and idiots out there in America to get him pretty close
 
Successful and award winning book prior, made on a small budget(15 million) and Danny Boyle had some successful films (trainspotting/sunshine/28 days later/the beach). It only really became successful after it won awards at the Oscars and was then re-released.

I don't know anything about movies, hell i haven't even seen Slumdog.

All i know is it won 8 Oscars and made a **** tonne of money for it's budget.....with a bunch of unknown predominately young ethnic actors.

Soooo Clinton vs Trump, this is gonna be a painful painful US election, even more than usual

Hillary will crush Trump in one of the most lopsided elections in US history if Trump is the Republican nomination.

She'll bank all of the ethnic votes from both the Blacks and the Hispanics, the female voters, all the Democrats and most of the swing voters put off by Trumps insanity.

Trump needs to rally Middle America and rely on getting the religious voters from the large Christian support groups to try and get over the line. Watch out in the coming weeks as he ramps up his religious credentials/gets backing from state religious leaders/governors.
 
Trump needs to rally Middle America and rely on getting the religious voters from the large Christian support groups to try and get over the line. Watch out in the coming weeks as he ramps up his religious credentials/gets backing from state religious leaders/governors.

He'll get those, too, coz according to them Trump is more of a Christian than Pope Francis. And Trump would be the only one who's shameless enough to take in the support of those radical fundamental Christians as well, and the Christians will respond in kind coz no one else but Trump would like them

The worry is it's been a record Republican turnout to the voting in the primaries this election. The far left nuts need to turn up more and not do a midterm like slumber
 
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