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Billy Hunter I am going to **** you in your sleep.

All along he's been saying he's seen this decertification/disbandment/anti-trust thing "coming for 2-3 years." We're all so glad you waited until mid-November to act on it, knowing all along that you wouldn't get the deal you wanted. Surely it didn't take 4.5 months of a lockout (and the 2 years prior) to figure out that the NBA wanted to bend you over.

During the lockout, Paul Pierce and Shane Battier (and possibly others) have challenged Hunter, asking what the plan is, where they're going; they didn't get any answers, hence why Pierce became one of the more vocal proponents for decertification.

Also this:
"Billy Hunter sold the players on a plan that keeps him relevant and keeps him on his $2.5 million salary to be in charge of the court battle.

Keeping Hunter also gives the NBA a better probability of convincing a judge that the players are participating in a phony negotiating tactic."

EADC.
 

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These will be David Stern and Billy Hunter's last ever negotiations.
I think that's to be expected given that they both turn 70 next year and the next negotiations will likely be in 6 years... However, Hunter should step down now if the players are disassociating themselves from the union for legal purposes.

Of course, though, he's on a $2.5mil salary as mentioned above. But if Hunter staying gives the NBA the legal angle of the players' participating in a phony negotiating tactic, he's more than welcome to stay.
 

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Decertification will fail so hard for the players. What's happens if the court says we're not letting you go through this process because it's nothing more than a negotatiating tactic?
 

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@MrMichaelLee (Washington Post NBA writer)
Agent suspicious of NBPA just deciding to hire David Boies on Mon.; compared it to arriving for a pickup game & Kobe Bryant "just shows up"

That proposal was never going to a vote... A member of the players' executive committee was asked (after their Monday meeting to discuss the proposal) whether they discussed sending it to the players' for a vote. The response was "all options were considered," as if they didn't consider sending it to a vote to be an option.
 

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Decertification will fail so hard for the players. What's happens if the court says we're not letting you go through this process because it's nothing more than a negotatiating tactic?
No idea, but hopefully it means the court gives Stern some K-Y and says "go your hardest."
 

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My prediction is that regardless of the final result the NBA will step in and try to return BRI to a normal level by increasing the amount of games played. Will go from like 82 to maybe 102 to make up for it.
 

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Antitrust suit against the NBA has been filed in Northern District of California today; plaintiffs are Melo, Billups, Durant, Powe, and Leonard (Kawhi? The rookie?). Players are seeking damages, and if the case is tried, could seek additional and/or conjunctive relief.

Seeking damages for the situation which they've had a huge role in creating? **** off. Seriously.
 

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Just a reminder of what happened last time...

1998-99 NBA LOCKOUT CHRONOLOGY

* June 22, 1998 – The last of nine in-season negotiating sessions ends after 30 minutes, with players stating they will not listen to any proposals that include a “hard” salary cap.
* June 30, 1998 – League announces a lockout will commence July 1. Player’s union files grievance with arbitrator John Feerick, asking that players guaranteed contracts be paid during the lockout.
* July 1, 1998 – Owners imposed the third lockout in NBA history.
* August 1, 1998 (Day 31) – Collective bargaining talks resume, and owners walk out upon hearing the union’s new proposal after 90 minutes.
* August 26 – September 9, 1998 (Day 57-71)– Guaranteed contracts hearing held before arbitrator John Feerick.
* September 10, 1998 (Day 72) – The NBA cancels the first preseason game between Miami Heat and Maccabi Elite of Israel. This is the first game (exhibition or regular season) to be lost because lack of CBA.
* September 24, 1998 (Day 86) – NBA cancels 24 exhibition games. Suspends training camp.
* October 5, 1998 (Day 97) – NBA cancels remainder of preseason.
* October 8, 1998 (Day 100) – NBA and NBPA meet for 4 and half hours, make little progress.
* October 13, 1998 (Day 105) –The NBA officially cancels the first two weeks of the regular season (99 total games). Until then, the NBA was the only league to have never canceled a game due to a labor dispute.
* October 20, 1998 (Day 112) – Arbitrator John Feerick rules in favor of the owners, saying they do not have to pay guaranteed contracts during the lockout.
* October 26, 1998 (Day 118) – The infamous interview with Kenny Anderson and Patrick Ewing. Anderson is quoted saying, “I was thinking of selling one of my cars, I don’t need all of them. You know just get rid of the Mercedes.” Ewing, the President of the NBPA says, “we make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money.” Oh no.
* October 28, 1998 (Day 120) – After a meeting of the full union membership at which the owners were invited to speak, the sides meet past midnight but fail to reach an agreement. Steve Kerr says the owners’ offer is “insulting” and Michael Jordan tells Wizards owner Abe Pollin, “if you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team.” (Irony alert!)
* November 3, 1998 (Day 126) – Original opening night of the 1998-99 season
* November 6, 1998 (Day 129) – At a 90 minute meeting, the NBPA does not deliver on a promised proposal to the owners.
* November 20, 1998 (Day 143) – Both sides meet for 13 hours. Billy Hunter says that there is significant progress between the two sides.
* December 4, 1998 (Day 157) – The two sides meet for 11 hours. Both sides says it’s more likely than not there won’t be a season.
* December 8, 1998 (Day 161) – NBA cancels 1999 NBA All-Star game in Philadelphia.
* December 19, 1998 (Day 172) –16 players including Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing participate in an exhibition game in Atlantic City. The event’s organizers (super agents David Falk and Arn Tellem) intended to give NBPA members a share of the money raised, but the idea proved publicly controversial, and charities ultimately received the proceeds.
* December 23, 1998 (Day 176) – Stern and Hunter meet for five hours at LA office of Leonard Armato. Stern recommends canceling the season if no agreement is reached by January 7, 1999.
* December 27, 1998 (Day 180) – Sides meet for five hours in Denver, with the NBA making it’s “final” proposal.
* December 30, 1998 (Day 183) – NBA sends the owners’ latest proposal to all NBPA members, asking they put it to a vote. The NBPA’s executive council rejects the idea of a vote, and announces the next day that it will submit its last offer to owners.
* January 4, 1999 (Day 188) — In first full negotiating session in nearly a month, union presents its “final” offer to owners, which is rejected by owners. Stern says league might use replacement players in the 1999-2000 season.
* January 5, 1999 (Day 189) – NBA players begin arriving in New York on eve of scheduled vote by union membership.
* January 6, 1999 (Day 190) – After a secret, all-night negotiating session, Stern and Hunter reach agreement to end the lockout the day before the league’s “drop-dead” date to cancel the season. The players ratify the agreement, 179-5.
* January 18, 1999 (Day 202) – Teams may begin signing free agents and making trades. Shawn Kemp weighs in at 290 pounds.
* January 20, 1999 (Day 204) – A new CBA is signed by both parties, ending the 204-day lockout. Notably, the new CBA capped player salaries, introduced a rookie cap, capped raises, raised the league’s minimum salary and kept the Bird exception and added new cap exceptions. Training camp begins.
* January 24, 1999 – Preseason games begin, with each team scheduled to play just two games.
* February 5, 1999 – NBA season, shortened to 50 games, begins.
 

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I'm surprised to see Leonard on there (assuming it's Kawhi and there's not another one out there). None of the recent drafts picks have contracts and therefore wouldn't have voting rights on any proposal. I know some agents wanted to file a separate suit on behalf of the "rookies" because they've been blocked from entering the league, however I can't see that being of any relevance outside of being locked out with the rest of the players.
 

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Marc Stein was on the BS Report today, and said that he heard the MLE and sign-and-trades were two major stumbling blocks in the rejected proposal (tax teams have lower MLE and not allowed to sign-and-trade, non-tax teams basically proceed as before). That would be a complete and utter joke if true, how many players/teams would it affect per year?!?!
 

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It IS a tool to protect GM's against themselves, or the inner Isaih Thomas in all of us, which get on 2K and spend it up, but it reduces the players ability to hold out for more and leverage against teams who don't want to.

On the issue about taxed teams being affected, have a cry players. Wanna play with a hard cap and franchise tag? No? Well GTFO and suck a Probst.
 

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I'm surprised to see Leonard on there (assuming it's Kawhi and there's not another one out there). None of the recent drafts picks have contracts and therefore wouldn't have voting rights on any proposal. I know some agents wanted to file a separate suit on behalf of the "rookies" because they've been blocked from entering the league, however I can't see that being of any relevance outside of being locked out with the rest of the players.
Sure it's not Etan Thomas you are looking at?
 
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