Opinion The Official Brad Scott Thread - Back, at the club (Relax - bumped thread)

[Snake_Baker]

Journo: What do you think that was, that they had so much of the ball?
Scott: Because they won it in the contest
Journo: Was it intensity, was it structure?
Scott: Do you mean did they play with one more on the field than us?...................They just won the ball.
Journo: How important was it that you weren't able to counter that given that what's on the line for you
Scott: Yeah, it's important because there's nothing on the line for them


I'm struggling to come to terms with how a North Melbourne coach could have the audacity to serve up that utter deflective tripe.

All he did was talk about the ******* bulldogs!

 

[giantroo]

200 games...

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Comprehensively outcoached today.

No excuses.

Yup, bad day at the office (TM) for Brad and the coaching panel as well as the players. It can't be no Jacobs, no meaningful restriction of opposition players. And it wasn't just a poor quarter, if they had kicked straighter for goal early - let alone more smartly into 50 - Dogs would have been on top from the start and for most of that game. And it can't be on the players only when a whole quarter vanishes like the third with no halting their momentum.

One of my favourites things about reading the Rick18 articles is that it reminds me how much the coaches see and know - we aren't going to come up with anything here to surprise them - but days like that really make me wonder about the real-time dynamics in the coaches' box, for nothing to happen that makes a difference.

 

[Marstermind]

Maybe a bit contentious after his (rightfully) heavily criticised performance on the weekend...but a milestone is a milestone....

Brad Scott – 200 games coached
The 3rd coach to coach 200 games for the North Melbourne Football Club
The 39th coach to coach 200 VFL/AFL games

Played: 199 Won: 102 Drawn: 0 Lost: 97

Game 1 – Round 1, 2010 v Port Adelaide (Football Park). Port Adelaide 13.18-96 vs. North Melbourne 12.10-82
Game 50 – Round 6, 2012 v West Coast (Subiaco). West Coast 17.18-120 d. North Melbourne 15.5-95
Game 100 – Round 12, 2014 v Richmond (Docklands). North Melbourne 17.14-116 d. Richmond 13.10-88
Game 150 – Round 17, 2016 v Port Adelaide (Docklands). Port Adelaide 16.9-105 d. North Melbourne 10.17-77

Highest Scores
28.15-183 v GWS Giants 8.6-54 – Round 2, 2012 at Bellerive
22.19-151 v Western Bulldogs 15.7-91 – Round 7, 2013 at Docklands
22.18-150 v Melbourne 4.4-28 – Round 18, 2013 at Docklands

Lowest Scores
4.5-29 v Fremantle 10.7-67 – Round 13, 2013 at Subiaco
3.12-30 v Collingwood 22.15-147 – Round 16, 2011 at MCG
6.3-39 v St.Kilda 23.5-143 – Round 2, 2010 at Docklands
5.8-39 v Gold Coast 7.13-55 – Round 1, 2018 at Cazalays Stadium

Biggest Wins
129 points (183-54) v GWS Giants – Round 2, 2012 at Bellerive
122 points (150-28) v Melbourne – Round 18, 2013 at Docklands
98 points (143-45) v Fremantle – Round 22, 2011 at Docklands

Biggest Losses
117 points (30-147) v Collingwood – Round 16, 2011 at MCG
115 points (59-174) v Hawthorn – Round 10, 2012 at York Park
104 points (39-143) v St.Kilda – Round 2, 2010 at Docklands

Lowest Scores Against
4.4-28 by Melbourne v 22.18-150 – Round 18, 2013 at Docklands
4.6-30 by Carlton v 18.8-116 – Round 4, 2018 at Bellerive
3.15-33 by St.Kilda v 13.14-92 – Round 17, 2014 at Bellerive

Highest Scores Against
27.12-174 by Hawthorn v 9.5-59 – Round 10, 2012 at York Park
24.18-162 by West Coast v 9.12-66 – Elimination Final, 2012 at Subiaco
23.19-157 by Collingwood v 14.7-91 – Round 7, 2010 at MCG

Best Winning Run
9 – Round 1, 2016 to Round 9, 2016

Worst Losing Run
10 – Round 20, 2016 to Round 5, 2017

Finals
Elimination Final, 2012 – West Coast 24.18-162 d North Melbourne 9.12-66
Elimination Final, 2014 – North Melbourne 14.9-93 d Essendon 12.9-81
Semi Final, 2014 – North Melbourne 14.14-98 d Geelong 13.14-92
Preliminary Final, 2014 – Sydney 19.22-136 d North Melbourne 9.11-65
Elimination Final, 2015 – North Melbourne 15.15-105 d Richmond 14.4-88
Semi Final, 2015 – North Melbourne 11.11-77 d Sydney 7.9-51
Preliminary Final, 2015 – West Coast 10.20-80 d North Melbourne 7.13-55
Elimination Final, 2016 – Adelaide 21.15-141 d North Melbourne 12.7-79

End of H&A Round Ladder Positions
1st – 8 times
2nd – 0 times
3rd – 2 times
4th – 3 times
5th – 3 times
6th – 14 times
7th – 16 times
8th – 23 times
9th – 21 times
10th – 24 times
11th – 16 times
12th – 15 times
13th – 14 times
14th – 6 times
15th – 7 times
16th – 8 times
17th – 10 times
18th – 1 time

Senior AFL under Brad Scott (bolded played under no other coach - excluding Darren Crocker, italics played at other clubs)
Harvey, Rawlings, Petrie, Jones, Harding, Wells, Hale, Firrito, Pratt, McIntosh, Swallow, Lower, Campbell, Hansen, Thomas, Edwards, Adams, McMahon, Thompson, Ross, Smith, Urquhart, Goldstein, Ziebell, Warren, Greenwood, Grima, Wright, Garlett, Anthony, Bastinac, Cunnington, O’Keefe, Tarrant, Macmillan, Speight, White, Atley, McKinley, Pedersen, Richardson, Harper, L.Delaney, Mullett, Black, C.Delaney, McKenzie, Gibson, Jacobs, Hine, Daw, Sierakowski, Garner, Dal Santo, McDonald, Currie, Nahas, Tippett, Brown, Warren, Turner, Wood, Higgins, Waite, Dumont, Anderson, Ray, Wagner, Clarke, Hibberd, Hrovat, Mountford, Preuss, Simpkin, M.Williams, Durdin, Vickers-Willis, Nielson, Zurhaar, Larkey, J.Williams, McKay, Davies-Uniacke, Hartung, Ahern, Murphy, Morgan, Walker

Best Head to Head Record Against
Melbourne – W12 L1 – 91.67%
Brisbane Lions – W11 L3 – 78.57%
GWS Giants – W5 L2 – 71.43%

Worst Head to Head Record Against
Sydney – W3 L10 – 23.08%
Collingwood – W3 L8 – 27.27%
Hawthorn – W3 L8 – 27.27%

 

[tazaa]

Maybe a bit contentious after his (rightfully) heavily criticised performance on the weekend...but a milestone is a milestone....

Brad Scott – 200 games coached
The 3rd coach to coach 200 games for the North Melbourne Football Club
The 39th coach to coach 200 VFL/AFL games

Played: 199 Won: 102 Drawn: 0 Lost: 97

Game 1 – Round 1, 2010 v Port Adelaide (Football Park). Port Adelaide 13.18-96 vs. North Melbourne 12.10-82
Game 50 – Round 6, 2012 v West Coast (Subiaco). West Coast 17.18-120 d. North Melbourne 15.5-95
Game 100 – Round 12, 2014 v Richmond (Docklands). North Melbourne 17.14-116 d. Richmond 13.10-88
Game 150 – Round 17, 2016 v Port Adelaide (Docklands). Port Adelaide 16.9-105 d. North Melbourne 10.17-77

Highest Scores
28.15-183 v GWS Giants 8.6-54 – Round 2, 2012 at Bellerive
22.19-151 v Western Bulldogs 15.7-91 – Round 7, 2013 at Docklands
22.18-150 v Melbourne 4.4-28 – Round 18, 2013 at Docklands

Lowest Scores
4.5-29 v Fremantle 10.7-67 – Round 13, 2013 at Subiaco
3.12-30 v Collingwood 22.15-147 – Round 16, 2011 at MCG
6.3-39 v St.Kilda 23.5-143 – Round 2, 2010 at Docklands
5.8-39 v Gold Coast 7.13-55 – Round 1, 2018 at Cazalays Stadium

Biggest Wins
129 points (183-54) v GWS Giants – Round 2, 2012 at Bellerive
122 points (150-28) v Melbourne – Round 18, 2013 at Docklands
98 points (143-45) v Fremantle – Round 22, 2011 at Docklands

Biggest Losses
117 points (30-147) v Collingwood – Round 16, 2011 at MCG
115 points (59-174) v Hawthorn – Round 10, 2012 at York Park
104 points (39-143) v St.Kilda – Round 2, 2010 at Docklands

Lowest Scores Against
4.4-28 by Melbourne v 22.18-150 – Round 18, 2013 at Docklands
4.6-30 by Carlton v 18.8-116 – Round 4, 2018 at Bellerive
3.15-33 by St.Kilda v 13.14-92 – Round 17, 2014 at Bellerive

Highest Scores Against
27.12-174 by Hawthorn v 9.5-59 – Round 10, 2012 at York Park
24.18-162 by West Coast v 9.12-66 – Elimination Final, 2012 at Subiaco
23.19-157 by Collingwood v 14.7-91 – Round 7, 2010 at MCG

Best Winning Run
9 – Round 1, 2016 to Round 9, 2016

Worst Losing Run
10 – Round 20, 2016 to Round 5, 2017

Finals
Elimination Final, 2012 – West Coast 24.18-162 d North Melbourne 9.12-66
Elimination Final, 2014 – North Melbourne 14.9-93 d Essendon 12.9-81
Semi Final, 2014 – North Melbourne 14.14-98 d Geelong 13.14-92
Preliminary Final, 2014 – Sydney 19.22-136 d North Melbourne 9.11-65
Elimination Final, 2015 – North Melbourne 15.15-105 d Richmond 14.4-88
Semi Final, 2015 – North Melbourne 11.11-77 d Sydney 7.9-51
Preliminary Final, 2015 – West Coast 10.20-80 d North Melbourne 7.13-55
Elimination Final, 2016 – Adelaide 21.15-141 d North Melbourne 12.7-79

End of H&A Round Ladder Positions
1st – 8 times
2nd – 0 times
3rd – 2 times
4th – 3 times
5th – 3 times
6th – 14 times
7th – 16 times
8th – 23 times
9th – 21 times
10th – 24 times
11th – 16 times
12th – 15 times
13th – 14 times
14th – 6 times
15th – 7 times
16th – 8 times
17th – 10 times
18th – 1 time

Senior AFL under Brad Scott (bolded played under no other coach - excluding Darren Crocker, italics played at other clubs)
Harvey, Rawlings, Petrie, Jones, Harding, Wells, Hale, Firrito, Pratt, McIntosh, Swallow, Lower, Campbell, Hansen, Thomas, Edwards, Adams, McMahon, Thompson, Ross, Smith, Urquhart, Goldstein, Ziebell, Warren, Greenwood, Grima, Wright, Garlett, Anthony, Bastinac, Cunnington, O’Keefe, Tarrant, Macmillan, Speight, White, Atley, McKinley, Pedersen, Richardson, Harper, L.Delaney, Mullett, Black, C.Delaney, McKenzie, Gibson, Jacobs, Hine, Daw, Sierakowski, Garner, Dal Santo, McDonald, Currie, Nahas, Tippett, Brown, Warren, Turner, Wood, Higgins, Waite, Dumont, Anderson, Ray, Wagner, Clarke, Hibberd, Hrovat, Mountford, Preuss, Simpkin, M.Williams, Durdin, Vickers-Willis, Nielson, Zurhaar, Larkey, J.Williams, McKay, Davies-Uniacke, Hartung, Ahern, Murphy, Morgan, Walker

Best Head to Head Record Against
Melbourne – W12 L1 – 91.67%
Brisbane Lions – W11 L3 – 78.57%
GWS Giants – W5 L2 – 71.43%

Worst Head to Head Record Against
Sydney – W3 L10 – 23.08%
Collingwood – W3 L8 – 27.27%
Hawthorn – W3 L8 – 27.27%

End of H&A Round Ladder Positions
1st – 8 times
2nd – 0 times
3rd – 2 times
4th – 3 times
5th – 3 times
6th – 14 times
7th – 16 times
8th – 23 times
9th – 21 times
10th – 24 times
11th – 16 times
12th – 15 times
13th – 14 times
14th – 6 times
15th – 7 times
16th – 8 times
17th – 10 times
18th – 1 time

Average position on the ladder is 10.516

So were a 10th-11th based team under Brad. Were not even a par side but a just below well entrenched mid table side.

 

[Marstermind]

End of H&A Round Ladder Positions
1st – 8 times
2nd – 0 times
3rd – 2 times
4th – 3 times
5th – 3 times
6th – 14 times
7th – 16 times
8th – 23 times
9th – 21 times
10th – 24 times
11th – 16 times
12th – 15 times
13th – 14 times
14th – 6 times
15th – 7 times
16th – 8 times
17th – 10 times
18th – 1 time

Average position on the ladder is 10.516

So were a 10th-11th based team under Brad. Were not even a par side but a just below well entrenched mid table side.

Unfortunately it's almost a perfect bell curve of averageness.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[Mav]

Unfortunately it's almost a perfect bell curve of averageness.

Rather lopsided bell. Twice as many finishes in the bottom 4 compared to the top 4. YAY. Coach of the year.

 

[Chadwiko]

Facebook memories tells me it was 12 years ago today that Brad Scott was first hired to be the Head Coach.

 

[Val Keating]

This bump nearly put me in cardiac arrest

 

[Harris 10]

Facebook memories tells me it was 12 years ago today that Brad Scott was first hired to be the Head Coach.

I'm praying he get the Pies job.

it will be one of the greatest meltdowns from a supporter group.

 

[Only Forwards]

I'm praying he get the Pies job.

it will be one of the greatest meltdowns from a supporter group.

His best was limited with frequent out pointing on game day. However there are hurdles he faced with us that he would not face at Collingwood. Namely the attraction of premier talent. Given that his higher end would would likely be higher at Collingwood.

And while there would likely be a meltdown rom Collingwood supporters at taking a coach with a 50:50 win ratio, if he was more successful than he was with us, this board would rival Chernobyl in terms of meltdown.

 

[Mjs94]

His best was limited with frequent out pointing on game day. However there are hurdles he faced with us that he would not face at Collingwood. Namely the attraction of premier talent. Given that his higher end would would likely be higher at Collingwood.

And while there would likely be a meltdown rom Collingwood supporters at taking a coach with a 50:50 win ratio, if he was more successful than he was with us, this board would rival Chernobyl in terms of meltdown.

100% agree with what is bolded. I sat in the coaches box for a game we played against Collingwood at the G where Travis Cloke got a hold of us (2013 or 2014). There were literally zero in-game adjustments despite a good 7 or 8 suggestions. The response each time was something like "they know better, they are not sticking to the game plan" or lamenting that defenders were looking for the corridor too early. The other thing I found odd was that the only assistant who spoke with Scott during the game was Crocker with the other assistants feeding their idea/info to Crocker. It was though no one else had permission to speak to the big boss.

 

[Mav]

His best was limited with frequent out pointing on game day. However there are hurdles he faced with us that he would not face at Collingwood. Namely the attraction of premier talent. Given that his higher end would would likely be higher at Collingwood.

And while there would likely be a meltdown rom Collingwood supporters at taking a coach with a 50:50 win ratio, if he was more successful than he was with us, this board would rival Chernobyl in terms of meltdown.

Do Collingwood really attract premier talent? Any examples? Maybe Adams.

 

[Only Forwards]

Do Collingwood really attract premier talent? Any examples? Maybe Adams.

Let me reprhase then.

Collingwood hit more of their targets than we do.


However to be fair they haven't really gone after anyone since Treloar or Hoskin-Elliot. both of whom had attracted significant interest from other clubs.

Since then its been mainly periphery and speculative trades being made by them. WHich makes me wonder how long their salary cap has been a shitshow.

Perhaps I am just jaded by the throw cash and they will come philosophy that we had for so long. Which IMO would likely work a lot better there than it did with us.

 

[Tas]

 

[ferball]

His best was limited with frequent out pointing on game day. However there are hurdles he faced with us that he would not face at Collingwood. Namely the attraction of premier talent. Given that his higher end would would likely be higher at Collingwood.

And while there would likely be a meltdown rom Collingwood supporters at taking a coach with a 50:50 win ratio, if he was more successful than he was with us, this board would rival Chernobyl in terms of meltdown.

His coaching limitations were fairly obvious but if he worked on them then things could be different for him.

Especially if he was in a system where he was accountable.

BTW I love the change to the thread title...

 

[LuvtheKangas]

It's fair to say that he was doing his apprenticeship with us and unsurprisingly, he made plenty of on-the-job errors. Then he lost is passion for the job (a couple of years before he lost his passion for being paid to do the job ...), so overall it ended on a low note for him.

I'm of the view that he will be a significantly better coach the second time around, especially after the break he needed to re-charge. I can see him being successful elsewhere.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Let me reprhase then.

Collingwood hit more of their targets than we do.


However to be fair they haven't really gone after anyone since Treloar or Hoskin-Elliot. both of whom had attracted significant interest from other clubs.

Since then its been mainly periphery and speculative trades being made by them. WHich makes me wonder how long their salary cap has been a shitshow.

Perhaps I am just jaded by the throw cash and they will come philosophy that we had for so long. Which IMO would likely work a lot better there than it did with us.

Didn’t they try to get Tom Lynch?

 

[Tas]

It's fair to say that he was doing his apprenticeship with us and unsurprisingly, he made plenty of on-the-job errors. Then he lost is passion for the job (a couple of years before he lost his passion for being paid to do the job ...), so overall it ended on a low note for him.

I'm of the view that he will be a significantly better coach the second time around, especially after the break he needed to re-charge. I can see him being successful elsewhere.

He came in at a rough time and the first few years he didn't have the resources he had later on in his term.

However, at no point in his 10 years did he make the effort to focus on skill and ball retention. I don't know if Noble will end up being a good coach or not but he focused on skills two weeks into his first season, Scott just built a gameplan around turning over the ball and we ham-fisted our way into finals with one of the ugliest gameplans ever created. I admire his tenacity, but he was always a reactive coach and I think you need to be proactive to be successful.

 

[Orange Peanut]

Collingwood fans were upset when we got him, I was surprised how many Pie fans told me how lucky we were. Looking back, I'm even more surprised.

 

[Tas]

Collingwood fans were upset when we got him, I was surprised how many Pie fans told me how lucky we were. Looking back, I'm even more surprised.

Well, they ended up with Buckley.