The on topic thread 3.0

[Cruyff14]

That's actually obscenely disgusting in the current climate.

Regardless of the climate it is ridiculous IMO.

It's AU$46m, sounds even worse like that.

 

[moomba]

I don't know that it's that excessive. He'd bring way more than that into the club in commercial revenue before you look at his football value.

 

[Latro]

Would rather Neymar have that money than the owners.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Still less than Messi, Ronaldo and Bale

 

[Cruyff14]

I don't know that it's that excessive. He'd bring way more than that into the club in commercial revenue before you look at his football value.

I meant more so that regardless of what it brings it is still obscene.

A whole different kettle of fish though.

 

[SM]

I meant more so that regardless of what it brings it is still obscene.

A whole different kettle of fish though.

I tend to think of CEOs of businesses 'earning' that sort of obscene salary because they're generating jobs, income, products that contribute to society, etc. As obscene as their salaries are, I can see sense in it.

A player, no matter how good, is one of eleven on a football pitch (and I don't think Neymar is a particularly good player when it comes to crunch games). No matter how many shirts he sells or bums in seats he puts (I suspect they'd have sell outs regardless) I just can't fathom the justification.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Never understood the players earn too much argument. If anyone it’s the clubs/Leagues that earn too much. Why aren’t the players entitled to their fair share. You don’t buy the best you don’t earn the money. His salary is simply what the market is willing to pay.

A lot of high paid CEOs don’t make as much difference as their company is usually already successful and don’t make as much difference.

 

[SM]

Never understood the players earn too much argument. If anyone it’s the clubs/Leagues that earn too much. Why aren’t the players entitled to their fair share. You don’t buy the best you don’t earn the money. His salary is simply what the market is willing to pay.

A lot of high paid CEOs don’t make as much difference as their company is usually already successful and don’t make as much difference.

I'd rather clubs put the money into developing the infrastructure at the club, developing the grass roots in the area, and the city. End of the day football clubs are community clubs, and a thriving city, thriving grass roots football, and thriving Academy and facilities mean long term success for the team.

Players absolutely deserve their share but you just have to look at wage bills relative to revenue at the vast majority of clubs and they earn their share and then some.

I think that's like saying "Coaching Man City is easy because they have lots of good players" and is a pretty simplistic view of just how difficult a CEO's job is on a day to day basis.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I'd rather clubs put the money into developing the infrastructure at the club, developing the grass roots in the area, and the city. End of the day football clubs are community clubs, and a thriving city, thriving grass roots football, and thriving Academy and facilities mean long term success for the team.

Players absolutely deserve their share but you just have to look at wage bills relative to revenue at the vast majority of clubs and they earn their share and then some.

I think that's like saying "Coaching Man City is easy because they have lots of good players" and is a pretty simplistic view of just how difficult a CEO's job is on a day to day basis.

The clubs paying these obscene sums have good academies, Chelsea, Pool and ManU probably top in England. Obscenely rich owners drive up salaries and lower clubs have to keep up. In the end it comes down to players and paying the price to get them otherwise clubs like Chelsea and Man City would be battling with the rest of them.

As for CEOs some deserve some don’t …like footballers. But obscene CEO pays are in big established companies where there’s a board, executive etc . A great player had bigger impact on a team.

 

[SM]

The clubs paying these obscene sums have good academies, Chelsea, Pool and ManU probably top in England. Obscenely rich owners drive up salaries and lower clubs have to keep up. In the end it comes down to players and paying the price to get them otherwise clubs like Chelsea and Man City would be battling with the rest of them.

As for CEOs some deserve some don’t …like footballers. But obscene CEO pays are in big established companies where there’s a board, executive etc . A great player had bigger impact on a team.

Fair enough, agree to disagree on this one.

 

[moomba]

I'd rather clubs put the money into developing the infrastructure at the club, developing the grass roots in the area, and the city. End of the day football clubs are community clubs, and a thriving city, thriving grass roots football, and thriving Academy and facilities mean long term success for the team.

Players absolutely deserve their share but you just have to look at wage bills relative to revenue at the vast majority of clubs and they earn their share and then some.

I think that's like saying "Coaching Man City is easy because they have lots of good players" and is a pretty simplistic view of just how difficult a CEO's job is on a day to day basis.

Signing Neymar would bring loads of commercial revenue and prize money into PSG which could be used to build infrastructure, develop area etc.

 

[moomba]

I'd rather clubs put the money into developing the infrastructure at the club, developing the grass roots in the area, and the city. End of the day football clubs are community clubs, and a thriving city, thriving grass roots football, and thriving Academy and facilities mean long term success for the team.

Players absolutely deserve their share but you just have to look at wage bills relative to revenue at the vast majority of clubs and they earn their share and then some.

I think that's like saying "Coaching Man City is easy because they have lots of good players" and is a pretty simplistic view of just how difficult a CEO's job is on a day to day basis.

Signing Neymar would bring loads of commercial revenue and prize money into PSG which could be used to build infrastructure, develop area etc.

 

[moomba]

I'd rather clubs put the money into developing the infrastructure at the club, developing the grass roots in the area, and the city. End of the day football clubs are community clubs, and a thriving city, thriving grass roots football, and thriving Academy and facilities mean long term success for the team.

Players absolutely deserve their share but you just have to look at wage bills relative to revenue at the vast majority of clubs and they earn their share and then some.

I think that's like saying "Coaching Man City is easy because they have lots of good players" and is a pretty simplistic view of just how difficult a CEO's job is on a day to day basis.

Signing Neymar would bring loads of commercial revenue and prize money into PSG which could be used to build infrastructure, develop area etc.

 

[SM]

Signing Neymar would bring loads of commercial revenue and prize money into PSG which could be used to build infrastructure, develop area etc.

Prize money? He chokes in every big game he bothers to play in.

I dunno if PSG need commercial revenue to be able to afford those things, sounds like a bit of a cop out.

 

[99 Problems]

Prize money? He chokes in every big game he bothers to play in.

I dunno if PSG need commercial revenue to be able to afford those things, sounds like a bit of a cop out.

If you don’t include his goals in a Copa Libertadores final as a 19 year old, goal in a champions league final, goals in 3 seperate Spanish Cup finals and 2 seperate French Cup finals his record in big games is a bit average.

 

[moomba]

Prize money? He chokes in every big game he bothers to play in.

I dunno if PSG need commercial revenue to be able to afford those things, sounds like a bit of a cop out.

Bit of a myth about Neymar always choking in big games imo. And I'm not sure many would have earned more UEFA prize money than PSG since Neymar arrived there.

As for commercial revenue, I'm not sure what your point is. If having Neymar at the club brings in more money than it costs I'm not sure anyone can complain that the Neymar money would be better spent elsewhere.

 

[SM]

Bit of a myth about Neymar always choking in big games imo. And I'm not sure many would have earned more UEFA prize money than PSG since Neymar arrived there.

As for commercial revenue, I'm not sure what your point is. If having Neymar at the club brings in more money than it costs I'm not sure anyone can complain that the Neymar money would be better spent elsewhere.

The point is that players shouldn't be demanding so much money. Thought that was a pretty straight forward point to glean from what I'd said previously. But as with Barry, perhaps best to agree to disagree.

 

[Zidane98]

Signing Neymar would bring loads of commercial revenue and prize money into PSG which could be used to build infrastructure, develop area etc.

Signing Neymar is not a profitable exercise full stop. Hes a status symbol for PSG and/or Qatar. In any case his peak is behind him. Telling they cant get Mbappe to commit despite throwing obscene money at him.

In this covid climate its outrageous. And no surprise that Neymar takes the easy way yet again.

 

[moomba]

Signing Neymar is not a profitable exercise full stop.

Are you suggesting Neymar isn't worth £26m in commercial income to the club he plays for?

Absolutely deluded if you think that's the case.

 

[Zidane98]

Are you suggesting Neymar isn't worth £26m in commercial income to the club he plays for?

Absolutely deluded if you think that's the case.

There is no player that brings that much income solely in by themselves unless you believe in the myth of player shirt sales. Neymar isn't even a Nike Athlete any longer signing his own deal with Puma so you can't claim he makes any difference to the Nike deal.



Besides Neymar is mostly a show pony / party animal these days. He is not worth where anywhere near 500k / week in commercial income, absolute delusion to even think he is worth anywhere near that. When you consider PSG's ownership employs hundreds of thousands of slaves that are lucky to earn 5k a year in Qatar it's a pretty crass deal especially right in the middle of a pandemic.

 

[Magma]

sportspro still have neymar as the 6th most influential athlete in the world

 

[RPCB]

Massive result for Lille with PSG only drawing against Rennes 1-1. Lille now have a 3 point lead with 2 matches to play. The tiebreaker in Ligue 1 is goal difference and PSG have a massive advantage there, so Lille would still need to win their final 2 matches.

 

[chef]

Chance for Poch to get sacked already?

 

[RPCB]

Chance for Poch to get sacked already?

The way that club spends money to try to win in Europe, I think Poch would be in danger of the sack already.

 

[jod23]

Massive result for Lille with PSG only drawing against Rennes 1-1. Lille now have a 3 point lead with 2 matches to play. The tiebreaker in Ligue 1 is goal difference and PSG have a massive advantage there, so Lille would still need to win their final 2 matches.

Could afford to win one and draw the other to win the league now with PSG slipping up against Rennes. So they dont need to win their final two matches.