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[moomba]

Exposed. PMSL.

If you hate the owner of my club, that's entirely your prerogative. But do it because you don't like his actions, or the actions of the club while he's been in charge. Not because he wasn't born in England.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

According to this you got 60 million we got 16.

Exactly how does 16 million compete with 60 million in a transfer market?

You don't get much for 16 million these days. When was the last time City got around 16 million for a season from TV money.

TV money is multi faceted.

Partly an equal contribution, partly based around how many games you are shown live on UK tv and partly due to league placing.

English Premier League Clubs TV Rights And Prize Money Revenue Break Down And Distribution

The English Premier League is the most lucrative and commercially attractive football league in the world, clubs in the premier league make the most revenue from TV Rights and other commercial revenue compared to any league in Europe. Fans across the world are actively interested on what goes on...

www.sportsjournal.ae

The core premise will continue as such this season albeit the numbers may change due to covid and new TV deals.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Not hard to see why we’re interested in this Project Big Picture. The sweetener sent our way is a £125m rebate on the stadium.

So disappointing that self interest has blinded the richest from the greater good.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

2000/01 TV rights cost per season : £168m
2000/01 EPL tranafer window net spend:£144m

2020/21 TV rights cost per season: £3billion
2020/21 EPL transfer window net spend £969m

Transfer market really ramped up post Abramovich and the advent of oil money at City. Certainly had an effect.

You can’t compare the two for one reason. They are under two different sets of conditions.

Pre-FFP and Post-FFP.
One limits net spending where the other didn’t.

 

[moomba]

Reading a bit more detail of this plan, it would be horrific if it came into effect.

Even a lot of the good bits have a sting in the tail on closer inspection.

Current a spin/charm offensive taking place since it became publicly known but lots of "non bought and paid for" journos pretty scathing of Parry, Liverpool and United.

Hopefully clubs are made to publicly reveal their position, don't have high hopes that we'd vote against it but if we are in on it, the fans should know.

Only West Ham have come out as against the plan I think.

 

[SM]

Reading a bit more detail of this plan, it would be horrific if it came into effect.

Even a lot of the good bits have a sting in the tail on closer inspection.

Current a spin/charm offensive taking place since it became publicly known but lots of "non bought and paid for" journos pretty scathing of Parry, Liverpool and United.

Hopefully clubs are made to publicly reveal their position, don't have high hopes that we'd vote against it but if we are in on it, the fans should know.

Only West Ham have come out as against the plan I think.

I thought west ham were for it.

 

[Zidane98]

Exposed. PMSL.

If you hate the owner of my club, that's entirely your prerogative. But do it because you don't like his actions, or the actions of the club while he's been in charge. Not because he wasn't born in England.

Its been pointed out that the reason your ownership is not liked is because they are using your club to launder the image of another nation or state.

Exactly the same response would happen if the Royal family decided to use their wealth (funded by the taxpayer) to purchase a PL club. Infact the outrage would probably be far greater.

Your club ownetship is derided because of their actions, not because of their nationality. Thats a strawman you can stop playing now.

I do note you were one of the few that had no problems with the Saudis getting on board at Newcastle, pretty obvious why.

 

[Bostonian]

Exposed. PMSL.

If you hate the owner of my club, that's entirely your prerogative. But do it because you don't like his actions, or the actions of the club while he's been in charge. Not because he wasn't born in England.

It's highly acceptable to dislike owners because they are foreign.

Nobody cries xenophobia when some huge multinational company goes into some poor nation and ruins their cultures for profit.

See football is very much part of the fabric and history of the English culture.

It's part of large cities to small towns identity and communities.

Now when the likes of your owners come into England they don't give a **** about Colchester FC or clubs of that ilk.

Bothers them not one single bit the impact their billion dollar play things have on the actual health of football around England.

That's because they aren't English and have zero connection or understanding of that history and the communities that they are not part of. It's all about their team. Not the good of the game.

 

[moomba]

Its been pointed out that the reason your ownership is not liked is because they are using your club to launder the image of another nation or state.

Exactly the same response would happen if the Royal family decided to use their wealth (funded by the taxpayer) to purchase a PL club. Infact the outrage would probably be far greater.

Your club ownetship is derided because of their actions, not because of their nationality. Thats a strawman you can stop playing now.

I do note you were one of the few that had no problems with the Saudis getting on board at Newcastle, pretty obvious why.

I don't care if the ownership of my club is not liked, or why. Other people's prerogative to like or dislike them.

If other people want to revisit a debate about my club that seems to get brought up every few weeks that's up to them. Not playing the game.

 

[moomba]

It's highly acceptable to dislike owners because they are foreign.

Nobody cries xenophobia when some huge multinational company goes into some poor nation and ruins their cultures for profit.

See football is very much part of the fabric and history of the English culture.

It's part of large cities to small towns identity and communities.

Now when the likes of your owners come into England they don't give a fu** about Colchester FC or clubs of that ilk.

Bothers them not one single bit the impact their billion dollar play things have on the actual health of football around England.

That's because they aren't English and have zero connection or understanding of that history and the communities that they are not part of. It's all about their team. Not the good of the game.

Most on this board aren't English, but many have developed a strong understanding and connection to their club and community.

I developed a love of Manchester, Man City and English football long before I stepped foot on English soil.

And it's not acceptable to dislike an owner of a football club just because he is foreign.

 

[moomba]

I thought west ham were for it.

Reported in a few places that they are opposed.

West Ham 'against Big Picture plans'

West Ham would be against radical plans by Liverpool and Manchester United to reform the English football pyramid, according to a club insider.

www.bbc.co.uk

Clubs outside the top six starting to come out against it as well.

 

[Pykie]

It's highly acceptable to dislike owners because they are foreign.

Nobody cries xenophobia when some huge multinational company goes into some poor nation and ruins their cultures for profit.

See football is very much part of the fabric and history of the English culture.

It's part of large cities to small towns identity and communities.

Now when the likes of your owners come into England they don't give a fu** about Colchester FC or clubs of that ilk.

Bothers them not one single bit the impact their billion dollar play things have on the actual health of football around England.

That's because they aren't English and have zero connection or understanding of that history and the communities that they are not part of. It's all about their team. Not the good of the game.

Leeds owner is Italian who made his money in Singapore, he's completely bought into the city, moved his family and young kids here for periods etc.

We have an Argentinian coach who regularly gets players to pick up rubbish on the sides of highways.

Xenophobia is not "highly acceptable". It's just another face of racism really. People have to be judged on their actions not where they are from.

moomba is right. There are plenty of bad English owners destroying local sides and plenty of great foreign owners revitalising cities. I'm sure Leicester can attest to that. There's also plenty of shit foreign owners and good british owners.

I'm sure you probably wouldn't like it if you were mugged off if you attended a match in Brighton just because you weren't from there.

If you think your owner is squeaky clean having made billions on sports betting and gambling over the years, well I've got something to sell you. Bloom is on a similar level to another super betting player in Tasmanian Zeljko Ranogajec. The Joker is one of the biggest crooks in Australian sports. You don't get to $1B+ in net worth from sports betting by hitting 1% margin differences. You get it by ripping off the average punter by diluting markets, odds and receiving betting rebates from betting agencies for forming the bulk of the prize pools.

Bloom makes all of his employee's sign non-disclosure statements, exactly like the Joker, has 100's of people working for him on markets, exactly like the joker. They don't do this to protect their algorithms, there's 100's of these out there and they aren't exactly uncommon. It's to shelter the dodgy dealings they do with betting agencies, state and national book making authorities etc Usually because they make most of their money straight from the average punters pocket with most of the time absolutely no risk. They automatically take all value out of betting odds via huge volumes in framing the markets and receive 10-20% rebates for doing it once their sides/horses lose.

The top level sports betters are absolute scum of the earth, just like the Bruce Mathiesons of the world. The problem with them these days are, they are completely global. I'd say with almost 100% certainty that Bloom has made at least some of his fortune by ripping off the average bloke down at the local Australian TAB.

 

[Zidane98]

I don't care if the ownership of my club is not liked, or why. Other people's prerogative to like or dislike them.

If other people want to revisit a debate about my club that seems to get brought up every few weeks that's up to them. Not playing the game.

Another strawman. Its the actions of your ownership that disliked. If they reformed their ways (and it seems pretty clear you have no issue with their actions) the criticism of them will cease.
It doesnt really help the image either that his highness has managed to leave the luxury of his palatial residence and attend a grand total of one match in 12 years of ownership of your club. That speaks volumes for many.

The very same reason is why so many were staunchly against the Saudis taking over at Newcastle.

 

[Cruyff14]

Leeds owner is Italian, he's completely bought into the City, moved his family here for periods etc.

We have an Argentinian coach who regularly gets players to pick up rubbish on the sides of highways.

Xenophobia is not "highly acceptable". It's just another form of racism really. People have to be judged on their actions not where they are from.

moomba is right. There are plenty of bad English owners destroying local sides and plenty of great foreign owners revitalising cities. I'm sure Leicester can attest to that. There's also plenty of sh*t foreign owners and good british owners.

I'm sure you probably wouldn't like it if you were mugged off if you attended a match in Brighton just because you weren't from there.

If you think your owner is squeaky clean having made billions on sports betting and gambling over the years, well I've got something to sell you. Bloom is on a similar level to another super betting player in Tasmanian Zeljko Ranogajec. The Joker is one of the biggest crooks in Australian sports. You don't get to $1B+ in net worth from sports betting by hitting 1% margin differences. You get it by ripping off the average punter by diluting markets and odds.

You're talking to the same person who is anti Chinese everything, too.

 

[moomba]

Another strawman. Its the actions of your ownership that disliked. If they reformed their ways (and it seems pretty clear you have no issue with their actions) the criticism of them will cease.
It doesnt really help the image either that his highness has managed to leave the luxury of his palatial residence and attend a grand total of one match in 12 years of ownership of your club. That speaks volumes for many.

The very same reason is why so many were staunchly against the Saudis taking over at Newcastle.

If you dislike Mansour that's your prerogative. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise, nor am I going to revisit a debate that you seem desperate to revisit every couple of weeks.

 

[Zidane98]

If you dislike Mansour that's your prerogative. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise, nor am I going to revisit a debate that you seem desperate to revisit every couple of weeks.

PMSL. Again you desperately try and paint this to be something it is not. The actions of your club ownership are despicable no matter who they are or where they come from. Pretty clear you have no issue with what they do and that's your prerogative. I get that they've shelled out nearly 1 and a half billion pounds on your club and for that you are prepared to forgive pretty much anything.

It is fantastic that the PL wasn't subject to a much worse ownership group in the Saudis coming on board.

 

[moomba]

WTF?

 

[Bostonian]

Leeds owner is Italian who made his money in Singapore, he's completely bought into the city, moved his family and young kids here for periods etc.

We have an Argentinian coach who regularly gets players to pick up rubbish on the sides of highways.

Xenophobia is not "highly acceptable". It's just another face of racism really. People have to be judged on their actions not where they are from.

moomba is right. There are plenty of bad English owners destroying local sides and plenty of great foreign owners revitalising cities. I'm sure Leicester can attest to that. There's also plenty of sh*t foreign owners and good british owners.

I'm sure you probably wouldn't like it if you were mugged off if you attended a match in Brighton just because you weren't from there.

If you think your owner is squeaky clean having made billions on sports betting and gambling over the years, well I've got something to sell you. Bloom is on a similar level to another super betting player in Tasmanian Zeljko Ranogajec. The Joker is one of the biggest crooks in Australian sports. You don't get to $1B+ in net worth from sports betting by hitting 1% margin differences. You get it by ripping off the average punter by diluting markets, odds and receiving betting rebates from betting agencies for forming the bulk of the prize pools.

Bloom makes all of his employee's sign non-disclosure statements, exactly like the Joker, has 100's of people working for him on markets, exactly like the joker. They don't do this to protect their algorithms, there's 100's of these out there and they aren't exactly uncommon. It's to shelter the dodgy dealings they do with betting agencies, state and national book making authorities etc Usually because they make most of their money straight from the average punters pocket with most of the time absolutely no risk. They automatically take all value out of betting odds via huge volumes in framing the markets and receive 10-20% rebates for doing it once their sides/horses lose.

The top level sports betters are absolute scum of the earth, just like the Bruce Mathiesons of the world. The problem with them these days are, they are completely global. I'd say with almost 100% certainty that Bloom has made at least some of his fortune by ripping off the average bloke down at the local Australian TAB.

Yeah you don't what you're talking about. Like almost to the point of it being laughable.

Bloom doesn't make the kind of money you're suggesting he does through gambling. Not even close.

He made a lot of money by selling a betting system. Not ripping ole Ted off at the Cranbourne TAB.

The profit he makes from his betting enterprise isn't going to be turning him into a billionaire.

Your analysis of his operation is false.

His employees also are looked after extremely well.

As I said, these foreign owners might be good for their club, they've completely ****ed the landscape of English football for the rest of the club who don't have some rich foreigner using them as their play thing.

Your post highlights exactly what I've said.

It's good for your club, not for the rest of the footballing country.

As far as the impact over the whole sphere of English football these foreigner owners have been an utter cancer.

 

[Zidane98]

Yeah you don't what you're talking about. Like almost to the point of it being laughable.

Bloom doesn't make the kind of money you're suggesting he does through gambling. Not even close.

He made a lot of money by selling a betting system. Not ripping ole Ted off at the Cranbourne TAB.

The profit he makes from his betting enterprise isn't going to be turning him into a billionaire.

Your analysis of his operation is false.

His employees also are looked after extremely well.

As I said, these foreign owners might be good for their club, they've completely f’ed the landscape of English football for the rest of the club who don't have some rich foreigner using them as their play thing.

Your post highlights exactly what I've said.

It's good for your club, not for the rest of the footballing country.

As far as the impact over the whole sphere of English football these foreigner owners have been an utter cancer.

The actions of owners are all that matters, not whether they are from England or not. Agree that any owner using their club as a play thing for the rich is crass whether they are foreign or English.

Let's be a little realistic here though your owners got where they are now not by being completely squeaky clean.

 

[Bostonian]

Most on this board aren't English, but many have developed a strong understanding and connection to their club and community.

I developed a love of Manchester, Man City and English football long before I stepped foot on English soil.

And it's not acceptable to dislike an owner of a football club just because he is foreign.

Foreign owners have ****ed English football

Hardly comparable to bigfooty posters.

Individual home grown owners may screw one club, but these people have ****ed the whole fabric of the sport by taking over the upper echelons of it.

The fact we have some dumb **** Americans coming up with an idea that's so self centred and power hungry in its nature just highlights that the negatives far outweighs the positives of having mega rich foreign owners owning clubs.

 

[chef]

Whats worse, being an owners plaything or being used as a business to make money?

 

[SM]

 

[Zidane98]

Whats worse, being an owners plaything or being used as a business to make money?

Somewhere in the middle is ideal.

 

[Bostonian]

The actions of owners are all that matters, not whether they are from England or not. Agree that any owner using their club as a play thing for the rich is crass whether they are foreign or English.

Let's be a little realistic here though your owners got where they are now not by being completely squeaky clean.

Well if you can link me to the information you got your view from I'll look at it.

If Bloom is dodgy then I'll accept it with proof.