The on topic thread 4.0

[SM]

What a weird analogy.

Because City Group buy Manchester lots of nice things people should like them? Seemed the gist of that editorial. We should be supporting owners who invest lots in the area regardless of what their motives are and how much moral decay it leads to?

 

[SM]

I would have thought different styles of ownership of football clubs is kind of relevant in an on topic football thread.

It was a letter I saw, and it resonated.

Not sure how that makes it a strawman argument, but there you go.

All good, we know you don't know what strawman means, but I'm sure you'll get it one day.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

PMSL, I really don't think BigFooty has been chosen as the primary front for a PR battle.

And I really don't think a letter to the editor will have any impact on anyone, other than it being a letter I quite liked.

Lesson learned I guess.

1. No idea what will happen
2. Right and wrong. Have consistently said if the league prove their case the we'll have to face the consequences.
3. Ours
4. Neither is an answer

I was talking about City PR and fans, not about you in particular.

 

[Bostonian]

You seem to have totally missed the point.

It wasn't about who you would want in charge of a club, it was about which is a better model. An owner that comes in, spends their own money on infrastructure and the local community, or one that buys a club with the clubs own money, takes out dividends and spends nothing on the club infrastructure.

So in your books organised crime gangs could come in and build something for the community and that would put them above the Glazers.

This was always the model of the Mafia.

Splash some cash to attempt to get local people on side and then just go about as normal in the background being the same shit people they always were.

 

[moomba]

Because City Group buy Manchester lots of nice things people should like them? Seemed the gist of that editorial. We should be supporting owners who invest lots in the area regardless of what their motives are and how much moral decay it leads to?

It was more about what the league see as a good and acceptable ownership model vs what the league see as something that needs controlling.

Nothing about supporting owners.

The weird part of your analogy presuming the Glazers are "mummy" is that they haven't looked after the kids teeth. They've let them rot, and robbed the kids piggy bank to go out on a cheeky wine night.

 

[moomba]

So in your books organised crime gangs could come in and build something for the community and that would put them above the Glazers.

This was always the model of the Mafia.

Splash some cash to attempt to get local people on side and then just go about as normal in the background being the same s**t people they always were.

No. You're missing the point again.

 

[moomba]

I was talking about City PR and fans, not about you in particular.

I think you're reading too much into a letter to the editor.

If you've listened to the thoughts of a good cross section of the City fan base (as opposed to just picking out the bits to laugh at) you'll see there's a variety of views, from anger, to gallows humour, to not knowing wtf is going on.

 

[moomba]

All good, we know you don't know what strawman means, but I'm sure you'll get it one day.

Cool.

 

[moomba]

Note to self. No more letters to the editor.

 

[Bostonian]

No. You're missing the point again.

Nah it's you who are.

That piece from the paper was pure whatabboutery.

Man U owners have zero to do with your club and how/why they do the things they do.

 

[moomba]

Nah it's you who are.

That piece from the paper was pure whatabboutery.

Man U owners have zero to do with your club and how/why they do the things they do.

Cool

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I think you're reading too much into a letter to the editor.

If you've listened to the thoughts of a good cross section of the City fan base (as opposed to just picking out the bits to laugh at) you'll see there's a variety of views, from anger, to gallows humour, to not knowing wtf is going on.

I was referring to certain print media articles, comments from former players being interviewed and fans on tv/being interviewed.

 

[Zidane98]

I think you're reading too much into a letter to the editor.

If you've listened to the thoughts of a good cross section of the City fan base (as opposed to just picking out the bits to laugh at) you'll see there's a variety of views, from anger, to gallows humour, to not knowing wtf is going on.

The normal reaction from a fan base would be fury at club ownership for them being up on 113 charges.


For some reason your fans find it difficult to call the club out. It's always either a conspiracy / look at this club / the rags / dippers are behind this etc etc


Even when the ESL news broke protests against your ownership were pathetic. The line seemed to be we didn't really want to join, it's the other club's fault not ours. While the rest of the Super League clubs fans went nuts about the Super League deal protesting en masse.

 

[Zidane98]

Saudi MBS offers to build stadiums in Greece, Egypt if they join World Cup bid

Saudi Arabia has offered to pay for new football stadiums in Greece and Egypt in return for their alliance in jointly bidding to host the 2030 World Cup. According to the news site, POLITICO, an an…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Talk about desperation much. Saudis are very much up and about with sportswashing these days.


I don't see how they can get around AFC being excluded from hosting 2026/2030 though. Yes it's a joint bid but it's still an AFC bid effectively.

 

[SM]

Saudi MBS offers to build stadiums in Greece, Egypt if they join World Cup bid

Saudi Arabia has offered to pay for new football stadiums in Greece and Egypt in return for their alliance in jointly bidding to host the 2030 World Cup. According to the news site, POLITICO, an an…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Talk about desperation much. Saudis are very much up and about with sportswashing these days.


I don't see how they can get around AFC being excluded from hosting 2026/2030 though. Yes it's a joint bid but it's still an AFC bid effectively.

No it isn't.

 

[Zidane98]

No it isn't.

Saudi Arabia are the main component of the bid and are an AFC nation. To me, it's still an AFC world cup.


If it's not deemed an AFC world cup what would you deem it then? Because FIFA rules clearly state whatever confederation hosts a tournament cannot host the next 2.

 

[SM]

Saudi Arabia are the main component of the bid and are an AFC nation. To me, it's still an AFC world cup.


If it's not deemed an AFC world cup what would you deem it then? Because FIFA rules clearly state whatever confederation hosts a tournament cannot host the next 2.

We've had this discussion before not particularly interested in repeating it.

 

[moomba]

The normal reaction from a fan base would be fury at club ownership for them being up on 113 charges.

For some reason your fans find it difficult to call the club out. It's always either a conspiracy / look at this club / the rags / dippers are behind this etc etc

I appreciate that you're desperate to paint us as somehow different from other supporter bases but you don't have to look far back in any clubs history to find examples when elements back their club over external criticism.

Even when the ESL news broke protests against your ownership were pathetic. The line seemed to be we didn't really want to join, it's the other club's fault not ours. While the rest of the Super League clubs fans went nuts about the Super League deal protesting en masse.

I really do think you believe the stuff you write sometimes.

 

[Zidane98]

I appreciate that you're desperate to paint us as somehow different from other supporter bases but you don't have to look far back in any clubs history to find examples when elements back their club over external criticism.



I really do think you believe the stuff you write sometimes.

The funny thing is there's no desperation to paint anything. It's reality. Your club's fans largely defend your ownership like a cult with few exceptions.

 

[moomba]

The funny thing is there's no desperation to paint anything. It's reality. Your club's fans largely defend your ownership like a cult with few exceptions.

PMSL.

 

[Zidane98]

PMSL.

Ok Alun.

 

[SM]

An agenda against your football club? If only we were that competent | Max Rushden

Have football fans always been this defensive? Social media has driven our collective sense of conspiracy to ludicrous levels

www.theguardian.com

Good piece.

 

[moomba]

 

[moomba]

Love this photo, can zoom in and see the different reactions from players and supporters.

A going of beauty, should be hung on a wall at the Louvre.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

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