The on topic thread

[Jatz]

No but Tottenham did miss out from 4th when Chelsea fluked the CL.

Yeah remember that. The odds of both missing would be astronomical I would have thought.

 

[Loonerty]

No but Tottenham did miss out from 4th when Chelsea fluked the CL.

Be more mad

 

[Thistle]

Why reward the loser?

Better than rewarding the 7th team in the league.

 

[Zidane98]

Be more mad

Spurs missing out on CL then started off the chain of events that eventually resulted in his insanity & inevitable online meltdown.

 

[Jatz]

Better than rewarding the 7th team in the league.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[moomba]

I don't mind the runner up making Europe. We're not too far off having 9 or 10 teams filling European spots every year, with the chances of anyone outside that ever qualifying pretty remote.

So I reckon it's good to at least have that carrot in the cup.

 

[Thistle]

I respectfully disagree.

Fair enough. I have the same thoughts as Moomba on the subject.

 

[BluesMan]

No but Tottenham did miss out from 4th when Chelsea fluked the CL.

Ha, this will never get old. What a night.

 

[chef]

No but Tottenham did miss out from 4th when Chelsea fluked the CL.

Lol. Oh the but hurt.

 

[SM]

I respectfully disagree.

So your issue is with rewarding the runner up in a knock out comp with about 8 rounds rather than someone who comes 7 out of 20 and you don't want to promote mediocrity? I agree with Moomba and thistle.

 

[Jatz]

So your issue is with rewarding the runner up in a knock out comp with about 8 rounds rather than someone who comes 7 out of 20 and you don't want to promote mediocrity? I agree with Moomba and thistle.

Both are rewarding mediocrity, I just believe one is the lesser of two evils.

For instance, United would have performed better in the Europa League than Hull this season.

Similarly, if West Ham continue their impressive performances so far this season (big if of course), I'd prefer they get rewarded for consistently playing well over a Hull of last year who had the easiest cup run in the modern era (which of course is no fault's of Hull).

Taking that europa spot away won't change the way teams line up and try and win each round of the cup.

 

[SM]

Both are rewarding mediocrity, I just believe one is the lesser of two evils.

For instance, United would have performed better in the Europa League than Hull this season.

Similarly, if West Ham continue their impressive performances so far this season (big if of course), I'd prefer they get rewarded for consistently playing well over a Hull of last year who had the easiest cup run in the modern era (which of course is no fault's of Hull).

Taking that europa spot away won't change the way teams line up and try and win each round of the cup.

You're holding all FA Cup finalists to the standards of a side who yourself admit got the easiest run of the modern era. Logic would suggest that far more often than not an FA Cup finalist has to beat a number of good sides to make it.

It won't change how sides play, but it lowers the chances of a team playing possibly their only ever European games, as they were for us.

 

[Jatz]

You're holding all FA Cup finalists to the standards of a side who yourself admit got the easiest run of the modern era. Logic would suggest that far more often than not an FA Cup finalist has to beat a number of good sides to make it.

It won't change how sides play, but it lowers the chances of a team playing possibly their only ever European games, as they were for us.

Yes I am. The same can be said for sides that are relegated though but still get that spot. Wigan lost all chance of bouncing straight back into the PL as they had to play extra fixtures in Europe. Championship sides aren't equipped to deal with Europe.

Any time top 5 or 6 clubs met in the final, the extra position went to the next eligible club in the league didn't it?

I think if England want to improve in Europe, they're better off sending clubs who can handle the fixtures.

 

[Shoei]

Put the cat among the pigeons.

Give a Champions league spot to the FA Cup winners and a EUROPA League spot to the league cup winners.

 

[SM]

Yes I am. The same can be said for sides that are relegated though but still get that spot. Wigan lost all chance of bouncing straight back into the PL as they had to play extra fixtures in Europe. Championship sides aren't equipped to deal with Europe.

Any time top 5 or 6 clubs met in the final, the extra position went to the next eligible club in the league didn't it?

I think if England want to improve in Europe, they're better off sending clubs who can handle the fixtures.

Teams can choose not to play in europa, as Portsmouth did when they were relegated.

Swansea and stoke both made the knock outs didn't they?

 

[Jatz]

Teams can choose not to play in europa, as Portsmouth did when they were relegated.

Swansea and stoke both made the knock outs didn't they?

Kind of defeats the purpose when they elect not to, does it not?

I just think you should be sending over your stronger clubs and I consider the stronger club to more consistently come from the league table. Only my opinion of course.

 

[moomba]

So your issue is with rewarding the runner up in a knock out comp with about 8 rounds rather than someone who comes 7 out of 20 and you don't want to promote mediocrity? I agree with Moomba and thistle.

I now disagree with myself.

 

[SM]

Kind of defeats the purpose when they elect not to, does it not?

I just think you should be sending over your stronger clubs and I consider the stronger club to more consistently come from the league table. Only my opinion of course.

Defeats what purpose? If a club has never competed in Europe it's huge for them. If as you say they want to focus on promotion they can do so and 7th gets it.

I don't think England as a body really gives a shit to be honest.

 

[Jatz]

Defeats what purpose? If a club has never competed in Europe it's huge for them. If as you say they want to focus on promotion they can do so and 7th gets it.

I don't think England as a body really gives a shit to be honest.

They should. It's this shit attitude that contributes to them failing as a national side. They should be looking for their higher calibre players to be getting as much European experience as possible.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Put the cat among the pigeons.

Give a Champions league spot to the FA Cup winners and a EUROPA League spot to the league cup winners.

I really like this idea. Winning the FA Cup should be more important than finishing 4th in the league.

 

[SM]

They should. It's this shit attitude that contributes to them failing as a national side. They should be looking for their higher calibre players to be getting as much European experience as possible.

Their higher calibre players do play in Europe with the top teams..

What about guys like Delph at Villa and Berahino at West Brom? Ensuring the 7th placed team has no bearing on whether English players get European experience. The side that comes 7th could have zero England players.

 

[Jatz]

It's not a perfect system - because there is no perfect system.

Again, using West Ham as an example, there are a lot of English lads in that side that would benefit from it.

 

[SM]

It's not a perfect system - because there is no perfect system.

Again, using West Ham as an example, there are a lot of English lads in that side that would benefit from it.

Again, you're drawing a very very long bow.

West Ham could make the Cup Final and finish 12th, and their English lads would still get the benefit of Europe because of the Cup.

English players getting experience has nothing to do with this. You started by saying the FA Cup runners up getting in rewards a losing team, now you're saying it's about English players getting experience.

 

[Benno_900]

Lol. Oh the but hurt.

I was just stating a fact.

 

[chef]

I was just stating a fact.

The only fact is we won the cup, the rest is just opinions.

To say we fluked it is just ridiculous and disrespectful to the players and club involved. I am the first to admit luck went our way a few times (but there was a few chokes from the opposition too), but you can't fluke a UCL cup win.