The on topic thread

[Loonerty]

Pretty much what chef said. It's more noticeable the difference between no Matic vs with Matic or no Terry vs with Terry than no Hazard vs with Hazard.

 

[Cruyff14]

Fair enough mate. Can you elaborate?

Well let's see (no order)

Messi
Ronaldo
Robben
Neymar
Suarez
Pogba
Kun
Neuer (if we are going to include a GK)
Isco
Ibrahimovic

I don't know - I had this conversation with jd2010 and the only top 10 player we named in the world from England was Kun. Obviously it's all subjective and while Hazard is world class, I'd pick Neymar before him on the left, and Robben (though not a left winger), who IMO - is better than both.

 

[moomba]

I'm a huge fan of Isco, but if he's done more than Yaya or Silva I must have been asleep in the past few years. Pogba, Neymar etc all great players. But I reckon a few of ours are criminally underrated.

 

[Cruyff14]

Always changes - currently probably wouldn't have Yaya in there, but I understand what you're saying.

Silva is fair shout, instead of Isco probably.

But alas, these are all so subjective.

 

[moomba]

Ha ha, De Gea's girlfriend has described Manchester as (and I quote) "uglier than the back of a fridge".

Haven't looked at mine for a while to be fair, but I would imagine it's pretty ugly.

 

[Nallad]

Well let's see (no order)

Messi
Ronaldo
Robben
Neymar
Suarez
Pogba
Kun
Neuer (if we are going to include a GK)
Isco
Ibrahimovic

I don't know - I had this conversation with jd2010 and the only top 10 player we named in the world from England was Kun. Obviously it's all subjective and while Hazard is world class, I'd pick Neymar before him on the left, and Robben (though not a left winger), who IMO - is better than both.

I disagree massively on Isco. If Hazard isn't top ten in your opinion then surely he would be thereabouts. It really is hard to compare players when they're in different sides, leagues and positions, and as you said it's entirely subjective. Also what are you taking in to consideration when you pick your top ten? Form? Peak? Career? Potential? I would have Yaya on his day ahead of Pogba (who is overrated IMO).

Also, the point I was getting at was that he'd be much more closer to Messi on that list than the second best Chelsea player.

 

[Nallad]

Silva is fair shout, instead of Isco probably.

I would have Reus, Silva and Hazard ahead of Isco. And at the rate he's going KdB isn't too far behind either.

 

[Cruyff14]

I disagree massively on Isco. If Hazard isn't top ten in your opinion then surely he would be thereabouts. It really is hard to compare players when they're in different sides, leagues and positions, and as you said it's entirely subjective. Also what are you taking in to consideration when you pick your top ten? Form? Peak? Career? Potential? I would have Yaya on his day ahead of Pogba (who is overrated IMO).

Also, the point I was getting at was that he'd be much more closer to Messi on that list than the second best Chelsea player.

Well current form. Yaya has slipped off for a bit, but obviously his peak is great - though it's unfair on younger players as they haven't hit it yet. I was doing it based on how players are doing currently.

And no way Pogba is overrated. Will be the best CM in the world in two years.

 

[Nallad]

And no way Pogba is overrated. Will be the best CM in the world in two years.

If you don't think he's the best CM in the world now then why is he the only CM in your top ten?

 

[Cruyff14]

If you don't think he's the best CM in the world now then why is he the only CM in your top ten?

I'm basing it on current form. As we said, it's all subjective and nobody is ever going to agree. Pogba's only going to get better. Top of his game Yaya is better etc.

 

[Nallad]

I'm basing it on current form. As we said, it's all subjective and nobody is ever going to agree. Pogba's only going to get better. Top of his game Yaya is better etc.

Gotcha

 

[Zidane98]

Ha ha, De Gea's girlfriend has described Manchester as (and I quote) "uglier than the back of a fridge".

Haven't looked at mine for a while to be fair, but I would imagine it's pretty ugly.

That's him off to Madrid. They'll probably get Casillas in exchange.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

That's him off to Madrid. They'll probably get Casillas in exchange.

Yeah nah **** that right off!!!

De Gea should tell his missus to harden up

 

[Cruyff14]

Gotcha

In regards to Hazard, easily in the 10-20 bracket IMO

 

[ADL9798]

Another timeline video of the Anfield redevelopment:


..and is it just me or does that music sound like the song 'Move Bitch' by Ludacris? Not exactly your stock standard backing track for a construction video is it?

 

[lewigie]

De Gea would be in the top 5 keepers in the world, surely ? He would be pushing the top 20

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

De Gea is only behind Neuer.

Also Who would win between Milan of the late 80's early 90's or Guadiola's Barca?

 

[Magma]

whoever scored more goals

 

[moomba]

De Gea still needs to prove himself at international and champions league level IMO.

 

[Dirty Bird]

whoever scored more goals

Not necessarily.
Could be 0-0 and one team gets 5 red cards and loses by forfeit.

Or is that only a FIFA thing?

 

[pieman123]

De Gea still needs to prove himself at international and champions league level IMO.

He has already played well at CL level

 

[moomba]

He's done ok but nothing special.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

He was our best player against Madrid.

That was a great performance.

 

[Shoei]

De Gea is only behind Neuer.

Also Who would win between Milan of the late 80's early 90's or Guadiola's Barca?

Milan by a massive margin

Which players would you like from Milan 1989-1995 including......

Franco Baresi
Paolo Maldini
Angelo Colombo
Frank Rijkaard
Carlo Ancelotti
Roberto Donadoni
Ruud Gullit
Marco van Basten
Zvonimir Boban
Marcel Desailly
George Weah
Marco Simone
Alessandro Costacurta
Roberto Baggio
Demetrio Albertini

Barca was capable of playing beautiful football but the Milan teams over that period would have crushed the life out of them.

Just like they did to Johan Cruyff's Barcelona Dream team in the 1994 European Cup final 4-0 (and that was without Van Basten, Baresi or Costacurta playing)

 

[pieman123]

He was our best player against Madrid.

That was a great performance.

And played well v Bilbao and Bayern