The on topic thread

[SM]

Losing 2 games to a bunch of plumbers & electricians doesn't reflect well on the manager. You could understand a once off shock result but twice is simply unacceptable. It would be like us losing twice to the likes of Fiji. It's not like Greece don't have decent players either.

In any case Raineri's spectacular failure with the Greek NT led to him being Leicester manager which is a good thing for you !!

He's saying the second time was post-Ranieri.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If it was based on their current rankings (which it must be considering Enrique and Emery are in there) then it's probably right. Wenger has some serious notches in his belt but his last few seasons haven't exactly been a management masterclass.

Even still. Not sure you could have Klopp ahead. No matter the metric.

 

[elhadjihenry]

Even still. Not sure you could have Klopp ahead. No matter the metric.

True, at the start of the season Klopp was unemployed after a pretty poor season with Dortmund and Wenger was coming off back to back FA Cups. Seems odd.

 

[glenferry23]

The one thing Wenger always has in his favour with these types of comparisons are his consistency.

Despite not winning much over the last decade, he's never had the volatility of say Klopp or Mourinho in terms of his team being at the bottom end of the table.

Consistently being in the top 4 over a sustained period of time has given Arsenal a lot of stability, but I do question whether we'd ever win another title with him in charge.

 

[typeclub]

World class >> good managers >> Klopp, Rodgers >> Wenger >> Potato >> Hodgson, Benitez.

 

[FAITH]

World class >> good managers >> Klopp, Rodgers >> Wenger >> Potato >> Hodgson, Benitez.

id have SAF>Ance>Simeone>Pep>Wenger>Klopp>Jose/Ranieri>>>Zidane

 

[Magma]

who cares what managers did 10 years ago?

id have more than 10 ahead of wenger now easy.

 

[FAITH]

who cares what managers did 10 years ago?

id have more than 10 ahead of wenger now easy.

he finished 2nd in what most of you say is the best league in the world and won 2 of the last 3 facups.

 

[Magma]

so?

 

[typeclub]

Wenger built his own squad and its a pretty good one. Yet he can't even challenge for EPL where he doesn't have a single rival with any stability. Wenger is lucky to be better than Potato

 

[FAITH]

so?

theres no point arguing with you, you clearly dont like him.
to say theres 10 is ridiculous

 

[Magma]

theres no point arguing with you, you clearly dont like him.
to say theres 10 is ridiculous

i do like him, i don't rate him.

pep, mourinho, koeman, conte, ancelotti, simeone, enrique, klopp, tuchel, jorge jesus, paco jemez, marcelino. there's 12 i rate above wenger as managers in 2016, not 2004.

 

[Jatz]

i do like him, i don't rate him.

pep, mourinho, koeman, conte, ancelotti, simeone, enrique, klopp, tuchel, jorge jesus, paco jemez, marcelino. there's 12 i rate above wenger as managers in 2016, not 2004.

You missed Ranieri.

Just no respect from you people

 

[Magma]

You missed Ranieri.

Just no respect from you people

poch and ranieri. 14 and growing.

 

[FAITH]

i do like him, i don't rate him.

pep, mourinho, koeman, conte, ancelotti, simeone, enrique, klopp, tuchel, jorge jesus, paco jemez, marcelino. there's 12 i rate above wenger as managers in 2016, not 2004.

you arent making sense but not sure if youre serious or not

 

[Magma]

you arent making sense but not sure if youre serious or not

which part do you need explaining to you?

allegri, sarri, di franchesco. there's a couple more.

 

[FAITH]

for example how do you rate mou over wenger in 2016 when mou almost got cfc relegated yet wenger got arse to fin 2nd?

 

[Magma]

for example how do you rate mou over wenger in 2016 when mou almost got cfc relegated yet wenger got arse to fin 2nd?

because it's the outlier. even when he almost had chelsea relegated wenger was still his bitch.

 

[FAITH]

youve lost it, im outta here

 

[moomba]

For me the whole "world class manager" debate is a bit pointless because so much is dependent on the club they are at. The country, players, expectations etc.

Simeone has done great at Atletico. But would he achieve at a club with higher profile players with bigger egos less likely to do the team thing. Could he cope with a different language and still get his message across. Could he play a less ugly style of game if that was demanded by owners/supporters.

Woild he be seen as a flop aa a manager if he struggled with that different environment?

So for me rather than getting in a world class manager you look for the manager that best fits your club.

 

[Magma]

youve lost it, im outta here

you mean it's that easy?

why didn't you tell us earlier!

 

[FAITH]

i dont know much about this trolling but im feeling like you are trolling me.

if not youre are severely underating wenger.

 

[elhadjihenry]

I wouldn't argue that Wenger isn't in the top 10 managers in the world right now. With the squad we have we should have won the title this year, although I guess you could just as easily say that about Mourinho. Has to be a combination of your history and current performance I guess, with the past achievements fading in influence the longer ago it was in which case you would have Mourinho right up there and Wenger slipping further and further away.

 

[moomba]

Problem with judging Wenger is that you need to decide what his role is.

If it's being frugal and still doing quite well he's done everything thats expected of him.

Personally think he should be judged on more than that.

Not top 10 for me unless he's specifically been directed not to spend. I reckon it's been his choice and he's put ideology ahead of his clubs supporters.

 

[Magma]

i dont know much about this trolling but im feeling like you are trolling me.

if not youre are severely underating wenger.

i rate wenger for what he has done in the past. the invincibles if one of the biggest achievements in footballer ever. but he wore out his time at arsenal quite a while ago. i dont think he has what it takes tactically anymore. most of the managers i listed are progressive and intuitive with their tactics. arsenal keep playing the same way time after time no matter who they face in what competition. they rely heavily on the individual brilliance of ozil, sanchez and cazorla, along with this season cech.

i dont know if managers i listed could come into a club like arsenal and do better, but that's impossible to decide. but to me, managers are rated highly due to their tactics, and how they perform in the biggest (relative) games they can play. i put someone like paco jemez in there because tactically, he tries different things, even when he knows his side are going to get smashed by the big boys. that should be praised and respected.