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There wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of public dissent by supporters if they thought their clubs listened to them or cared about their opinion just a little bit.

Not saying clubs should poll supporters whether to sack the manager or not but we are really treated like mushrooms nowadays.
I think we've always been treated poorly. I guess they don't herd us in pens anymore like they used to when I first started going. With the money pouring in from TV they should cut prices also - but they almost never do
 
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There wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of public dissent by supporters if they thought their clubs listened to them or cared about their opinion just a little bit.

Not saying clubs should poll supporters whether to sack the manager or not but we are really treated like mushrooms nowadays.
It doesn't have to be about on field decisions. Can just get fans more involved with other decisions and they'll find a much more receptive fan base even if the results aren't always the best
 
Claude is a proper football man, nothing stupid about him at all. You probably judging him for his disheveled appearance. Trust you to think that Moh character was alright though. Says it all
Based on the video provided, he looked clueless a lot of the time.

Love the digs, can't help yourself, can you?
 
Claude is a proper football man, nothing stupid about him at all. You probably judging him for his disheveled appearance. Trust you to think that Moh character was alright though. Says it all

Can you stop with this person crap WR. Its sad and beyond interesting/funny/worth actually reading.
 

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There wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of public dissent by supporters if they thought their clubs listened to them or cared about their opinion just a little bit.

Not saying clubs should poll supporters whether to sack the manager or not but we are really treated like mushrooms nowadays.

Precisely, and Neville was more than a little dismissive of that very good point by one of the Arsenal guys.
 
I think we've always been treated poorly. I guess they don't herd us in pens anymore like they used to when I first started going. With the money pouring in from TV they should cut prices also - but they almost never do

30's Plenty has achieved a cap on away day tickets hasn't it?
 
Have to say that, despite Moh persisting and forcing Neville into childish deflections, DT did seem to frame things the best out of everyone. He got right down to the crux of the issue.

Neville took things well and offered some good points, but I get the feeling he'll never really understand the common fan.
 
Have to say that, despite Moh persisting and forcing Neville into childish deflections, DT did seem to frame things the best out of everyone. He got right down to the crux of the issue.

Neville took things well and offered some good points, but I get the feeling he'll never really understand the common fan.

He kept coming back to "You shouldn't protest Wenger because he's the best you've ever had."

We ran into similar issues when a lot of fans got sick of Bruce towards the end. A large portion of our base argued against the criticism by saying "He's our best ever manager." It's as if some can't grasp the concept of "He's the best we've had but we want to do better so we improve in the future."

It's the same with Arsenal. Who cares if Wenger won the league with the Invincibles 15 years ago? That should mean squat when it comes to how he has the team performing over the last 3 seasons.
 
Lol was hardly a personal dig for christs sake.

I don't like the bloke, he doesn't like me but if that post is what you call a personal attack you might as well close the forum because it can't handle life

Or you can just get over it and quit with the baiting.
 
He kept coming back to "You shouldn't protest Wenger because he's the best you've ever had."

We ran into similar issues when a lot of fans got sick of Bruce towards the end. A large portion of our base argued against the criticism by saying "He's our best ever manager." It's as if some can't grasp the concept of "He's the best we've had but we want to do better so we improve in the future."

It's the same with Arsenal. Who cares if Wenger won the league with the Invincibles 15 years ago? That should mean squat when it comes to how he has the team performing over the last 3 seasons.
Yep this is pretty spot on. We should treat the manager in the same way we treat players, ie; if Thierry Henry was 40 years old, playing like shit and had become a liability to the team, we wouldn't keep him on just because he happens to be the best player we've ever had. Same should go for Wenger.

The best outcome for everyone would be for him to announce now that he is stepping down at the end of the season. The fans would stop their protests and unite behind him as the most successful manager we've ever had, and he could bow out gracefully which he deserves after everything he's done for the club.
 
Lol was hardly a personal dig for christs sake.

I don't like the bloke, he doesn't like me but if that post is what you call a personal attack you might as well close the forum because it can't handle life
I don't dislike you.

You're a nobody on the other side of the world whom I will never meet. I wouldn't waste my energy disliking someone so far away who holds no meaning in my life.
 

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WR hurls insults, gets called out for it, plays it down then...plot twist...it's revealed that he takes it more personally than anyone else.

The irony!
Always the victim, never the instigator!
 
I don't dislike you.

You're a nobody on the other side of the world whom I will never meet. I wouldn't waste my energy disliking someone so far away who holds no meaning in my life.

Listen, I don't like you, you don't like me, but we both want to stop Homer from shooting a turkey.

You don't like me? I like you.

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You do? Then I like you, too!
 

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I don't dislike you.

You're a nobody on the other side of the world whom I will never meet. I wouldn't waste my energy disliking someone so far away who holds no meaning in my life.
I'm not wasting energy as I don't hate you, I just don't particularly like you. No energy expended in that.
 
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