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[SM]

Peaked in quality or relevance maybe.

The quality on field isn't getting the recognition it deserves because the league is marketed poorly. Crowds aren't there and general football people aren't as into it as they were in the first 4-5 years.

Hopefully someone new comes into the FFA and isn't too proud to admit that they need to do some serious work. The NBL owner could put some pressure on if they make the most of basketballs gain in popularity.

Perhaps of the league expanded it would be more relevant? To say it has peaked is simply silly.

 

[jd2010]

Perhaps of the league expanded it would be more relevant? To say it has peaked is simply silly.

Expanding in Melbourne didn't gain any relevance. Expansion in Sydney did. It's not guaranteed either way. Needs to be done the right way and the FFA have botched 3 out of 4 of their expansions to date.

Unless they do some serious marketing of the league I think it's definitely not going to reach the heights it looked like hitting after those first 4-5 years.

 

[SM]

Expanding in Melbourne didn't gain any relevance. Expansion in Sydney did. It's not guaranteed either way. Needs to be done the right way and the FFA have botched 3 out of 4 of their expansions to date.

Unless they do some serious marketing of the league I think it's definitely not going to reach the heights it looked like hitting after those first 4-5 years.

If/when the league gets to 16 teams it will absolutely grow. As you say it needs to be done right, but to say it's peaked is silly. As Zidane said, the crowds go in cycles.

 

[jd2010]

If/when the league gets to 16 teams it will absolutely grow. As you say it needs to be done right, but to say it's peaked is silly. As Zidane said, the crowds go in cycles.

It's too early to say it's a cycle and not a permanent downward trend.

What 6 markets do you think they can enter and get an average of 8-10k crowds?

I think 14 is more realistic. Southern Sydney / Woolongong, Geelong, Auckland, Ipswich or Fremantle?

Can't be going two teams in a city unless they have a geographic difference so not sure if SA, WA or QLD can get another side

 

[SM]

It's too early to say it's a cycle and not a permanent downward trend.

What 6 markets do you think they can enter and get an average of 8-10k crowds?

I think 14 is more realistic. Southern Sydney / Woolongong, Geelong, Auckland, Ipswich or Fremantle?

Can't be going two teams in a city unless they have a geographic difference so not sure if SA, WA or QLD can get another side

Wollongong, Adelaide, Geelong, South Melbourne.

Another two could be Tasmania and as you say, another Perth team.

All those areas should be able to get 10k crowds.

 

[chef]

Will the product suffer with the diluting of the quality of football?

 

[jd2010]

Wollongong, Adelaide, Geelong, South Melbourne.

Another two could be Tasmania and as you say, another Perth team.

All those areas should be able to get 10k crowds.

If south Melbourne come in 60% of their 10k is no longer going to city or victory games.

Don't know the Adelaide market well enough to know if the whole city is on board there or not.

Perth same as above. Actually based in Fremantle with its Italian community perhaps?

Southern Sydney no brainer.

Tasmania makes sense but corporate $ wise might be tough.

 

[jd2010]

On the south Melbourne point. Let's just say there's 1500 Greeks that go to Melbourne city games who are currently getting 8-9k they'll jump ship and leave city with 6-8k. Dangerous territory

 

[SM]

If south Melbourne come in 60% of their 10k is no longer going to city or victory games.

Don't know the Adelaide market well enough to know if the whole city is on board there or not.

Perth same as above. Actually based in Fremantle with its Italian community perhaps?

Southern Sydney no brainer.

Tasmania makes sense but corporate $ wise might be tough.

Southern Sydney would be terrible, not sure why you think that of all suggestions is a no brainer.

If anything the hills district as that population is about to boom.

Also incredibly simplistic to say "South Melbourne would just take all the Melbourne city supporters" as if there isn't another code with 9 teams in that city able to thrive.

 

[SM]

On the south Melbourne point. Let's just say there's 1500 Greeks that go to Melbourne city games who are currently getting 8-9k they'll jump ship and leave city with 6-8k. Dangerous territory

Are there 1500 Greeks going to city games?

 

[jd2010]

Are there 1500 Greeks going to city games?

That would be a rough estimate id say anything from 5-15% of the crowd would be.

Southern Sydney would be terrible, not sure why you think that of all suggestions is a no brainer.

If anything the hills district as that population is about to boom.

Also incredibly simplistic to say "South Melbourne would just take all the Melbourne city supporters" as if there isn't another code with 9 teams in that city able to thrive.

Shire-Woolongong joint bid I can't see failing. Aren't they already building some football centre in the shire?

 

[jd2010]

Will the product suffer with the diluting of the quality of football?

This too. It happened in the afl when it went to 18 sides.

Finding another 40-60 players will be tough

 

[jd2010]

The FFA need to get the current 10 sides humming before considering the next 2.

Right now Wellington, City, Brisbane and CCM all aren't working off the field. Scary thing for city is they're doing everything right but the club should never have been just another Melbourne side in the first place so they can't save it

 

[RossFC]

How many of the A-League clubs are actual clubs and not franchises that were started like 10 years ago? For me it's a big disconnect.

 

[jd2010]

How many of the A-League clubs are actual clubs and not franchises that were started like 10 years ago? For me it's a big disconnect.

They're all licence holders or franchises aren't they?

 

[RossFC]

They're all licence holders or franchises aren't they?

What's the story with Brisbane Roar though, some places say they started in 1957, others 2005.

 

[SM]

That would be a rough estimate id say anything from 5-15% of the crowd would be.


Shire-Woolongong joint bid I can't see failing. Aren't they already building some football centre in the shire?

Wollongong should be the bid on its own, Sydney FC gets a lot of its fans from South Sydney already.

 

[SM]

They're all licence holders or franchises aren't they?

No, Perth Glory for instance existed before the A-League.

 

[SM]

How many of the A-League clubs are actual clubs and not franchises that were started like 10 years ago? For me it's a big disconnect.

Absolutely, it's why I think Adelaide City should be one of the new clubs, would create a rivalry in Adelaide and also bring in a club with historical roots in the city. City already acts as a feeder for a lot of A-League clubs.

 

[SM]

The FFA need to get the current 10 sides humming before considering the next 2.

Right now Wellington, City, Brisbane and CCM all aren't working off the field. Scary thing for city is they're doing everything right but the club should never have been just another Melbourne side in the first place so they can't save it

This would be the biggest mistake of all, just sitting on their hands waiting for these 10 to pick up would be the worst possible thing when one of the biggest issues with the league is the reptition of fixtures. We've had the same 10 for the last 5 years, I guarantee there'd be a crowd boost if they brought in two new teams for next season, purely on the basis that making Finals would actually mean slightly more than it does. You need to get to 14-16 teams as quickly as possible so that clubs only play each other twice.

City and CCM actually are working off the field, and Brisbane's an ownership issue. Nix need to move into a boutique stadium and then they'd be easily sustainable.

 

[FAITH]

Absolutely, it's why I think Adelaide City should be one of the new clubs, would create a rivalry in Adelaide and also bring in a club with historical roots in the city. City already acts as a feeder for a lot of A-League clubs.

wont work. city are italian club.

 

[jd2010]

This would be the biggest mistake of all, just sitting on their hands waiting for these 10 to pick up would be the worst possible thing when one of the biggest issues with the league is the reptition of fixtures. We've had the same 10 for the last 5 years, I guarantee there'd be a crowd boost if they brought in two new teams for next season, purely on the basis that making Finals would actually mean slightly more than it does. You need to get to 14-16 teams as quickly as possible so that clubs only play each other twice.

City and CCM actually are working off the field, and Brisbane's an ownership issue. Nix need to move into a boutique stadium and then they'd be easily sustainable.

City and CCM are on track for their worst crowd figures ever this year.

I don't think 4 new sides will boost anything. It'll just spread the current crowds across more games which is a bad look

Melbourne City vs Woolongong isn't going to get 5k if south Melbourne are brought in.

CCM vs a second Brisbane side would do the same.

You should only ever expand when nearly all clubs are doing well. Unless the new club was coming in with extreme money in an area that desperately needs a side. For me there's only 3 areas that really do Woolongong, Tasmania, Canberra and maybe Auckland. None of the 3 markets likely to get a billionaire want to move a side there

 

[Gosha]

Everything this guy does now just does my absolute **** in.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

 

[RossFC]

I find the most weird stuff on twitter.