The on topic thread

[jd2010]

It's a myth that the English have just started diving. Owen and Gerrard were the masters of the dark art.

Poor dele alli had no hope when his idol was a diving, DJ bashing & x-rated tackling Liverpool legend

 

[Sozabarus]

Gerrard was good at diving though, would get the freekick or pen most times.

I'm personally not all that bothered about diving but my main issue with Alli is that he's really, really bad at it.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

A bit over reactionary to a good performance.
Where would he rank in his position in the pecking order?

 

[jd2010]

Gerrard was good at diving though, would get the freekick or pen most times.

I'm personally not all that bothered about diving but my main issue with Alli is that he's really, really bad at it.

Is he though?

Has been awarded two penalties and is the second most fluked player in the league.

 

[jd2010]

A bit over reactionary to a good performance.
Where would he rank in his position in the pecking order?

Behind Tom Carroll! That's how far back

 

[Sozabarus]

Is he though?

Has been awarded two penalties and is the second most fluked player in the league.

He gets booked a lot and everyone knows he's a diver. Gerrard's diving went under the radar for a long time.

Although to be honest Gerrard wasn't that prolific when it came to diving, he picked his moments well. Maybe Alli's problem is he tries it too much.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Behind Tom Carroll! That's how far back

Trying to think of how they should even set up in the first place. Southgate has been trying 3 at the back but not sure why given the weakness for England imo is central defence so not sure why you'd want more players in your weakest area.

Maybe 4-3-3?

GK
Back 4
Wilshere Dier Lallana
Sterling Kane Alli/Rashford

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Is he though?

Has been awarded two penalties and is the second most fluked player in the league.

Overstated.

He's also one of the most fouled players in the league season by season.

 

[jd2010]

He gets booked a lot and everyone knows he's a diver. Gerrard's diving went under the radar for a long time.

Although to be honest Gerrard wasn't that prolific when it came to diving, he picked his moments well. Maybe Alli's problem is he tries it too much.

He has been booked a grand total of 3 times in his career. Has won nearly that many penalties this season alone

 

[kangaspurs]

Trying to think of how they should even set up in the first place. Southgate has been trying 3 at the back but not sure why given the weakness for England imo is central defence so not sure why you'd want more players in your weakest area.

Maybe 4-3-3?

GK
Back 4
Wilshere Dier Lallana
Sterling Kane Alli/Rashford

They'll go with a back 3 I think. If I was English, I would want to see something like this:

Pickford
Dier - Jones - Stones
Walker - Henderson - Wilshere - Rose
Dele
Kane - Sterling

Butland - Trippier - Bertrand - Lascelles/Macguire - Winks - Lallana - Rashford etc​

 

[Sozabarus]

He has been booked a grand total of 3 times in his career. Has won nearly that many penalties this season alone

How many of those 3 penalties were dives? I think having a reputation as a diver and being the most booked player in the league for diving disqualifies you from being labelled a good diver.

I think the young lad still has work to do to be in that elite bracket of con artists.

 

[jd2010]

They'll go with a back 3 I think. If I was English, I would want to see something like this:

Pickford
Dier - Jones - Stones
Walker - Henderson - Wilshere - Rose
Dele
Kane - Sterling

Butland - Trippier - Bertrand - Lascelles/Macguire - Winks - Lallana - Rashford etc​

Yuck lol. Won't surprise me if that's right because Southgate isn't great. 433 is their best fit

Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Rose
Dele Dier Wilshere
Sterling Kane Rashford

Their defence is obviously their weakness but that's a strong midfield and attack. Good mix in midfield. Dele as the advanced roaming player. Dier the anchor. Wilshere the deeper passing type who makes them tick. Walker and Rose overlapping the two wide men when they go inside. Sure it won't get clean sheets but that's a good enough side to score freely

 

[jd2010]

How many of those 3 penalties were dives? I think having a reputation as a diver and being the most booked player in the league for diving disqualifies you from being labelled a good diver.

I think the young lad still has work to do to be in that elite bracket of con artists.

He's been carded 3 times in 2.5 years lol

He looked for contact and went down easily on both penalties won this season. The card he got against Liverpool was similar to those he won except he left his leg in but Lovren took his leg away so he got done.

A bad diver is one that say gets 5 cards for every foul won. Alli is nearly one for one.

 

[kangaspurs]

Yuck lol. Won't surprise me if that's right because Southgate isn't great. 433 is their best fit

Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Rose
Dele Dier Wilshere
Sterling Kane Rashford

Their defence is obviously their weakness but that's a strong midfield and attack. Good mix in midfield. Dele as the advanced roaming player. Dier the anchor. Wilshere the deeper passing type who makes them tick. Walker and Rose overlapping the two wide men when they go inside. Sure it won't get clean sheets but that's a good enough side to score freely

I think that's why they might go with 3 because their defence is average. If Dier plays in a back 3 though it would leave them without a proper DM. Perhaps replace Henderson with Macguire and move Dier to DM.

 

[jd2010]

I think that's why they might go with 3 because their defence is average. If Dier plays in a back 3 though it would leave them without a proper DM. Perhaps replace Henderson with Macguire and move Dier to DM.

The XI you posted despite having more cbs has no protection and none of the 3 cbs are without question marks. It'd be more exposed and wouldn't be capable of handling it as well as a 4 with decent protection from Dier.

Dier as a DM is better than at CB without an Alderieweld next to him

 

[Sozabarus]

I think Southgate has said they'll be playing 3 at the back in Russia.

 

[Magma]

if wilshere is still england's best midfielder then they're in real strife.

 

[jod23]

LOL. Remember the same people who defended and idolised this guy and a racist, diving biter are the same people who called Dele, Kane and Lamela cheats last week.

 

[jod23]

Why is Dier in the squad at all?? He's bang average.

 

[SM]

Why is Dier in the squad at all?? He's bang average.

 

[jd2010]

It's very relevant. Steven Gerrard was a hero to the English youth and now look what's happened. It's his fault dele alli dives

 

[Magma]

dier offers flexibility. can play at centre back and midfield well enough. it's not like midfield is exactly an area that england have heaps of senior talent in.

i wonder if a rashford esque bolter makes it into the squad.

 

[jd2010]

Barring injuries the certain starters for England are:

Stones
Dier
Walker
Dele
Kane
Sterling

Still half the starting side up for grabs

 

[Magma]

Barring injuries the certain starters for England are:

Stones
Dier
Walker
Dele
Kane

Still half the starting side up for grabs

sterling is a certain starter.

 

[jd2010]

sterling is a certain starter.

Knew I was forgetting one