The Ottens trade

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I hope we Bleed Geelong dry, just to get up Robin Hood's nose.

LOL

Talk about someone who thinks they know Geelongs every move but in reality wouldnt have a clue what they are thinking.

 

[hotdogandsauce]

dont these cats supporters listen to the radio or read newspapers......

we want draft picks....

so guys get to it pick 16 and whatever else aint gonna cut it....

we want you to try and get another top ten draft pick for us....

you know what you guys have to do so i wouldnt leave it too long otherwise you could up end up missing out just like last year with Rawlings...

obviously your coach rates ottens, sounds like he is keen so i dont see any problem....

you obviously rate your midfield imagine what a bloke like ottens could do to enhance that....

im sure this is what the bigwigs have been thinking long before you guys finished the finals...

 

[JohnF]

Ottens and pick 20 for Tenace, pick 16 and pick 32.

Take it or we'll send the big dud to Adeliade.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

No biggie. We can use our first pick to grab a ruckman, the second pick to get a forward, keep Tenace and Richmond can pay Ottens 500k and ******** away the best uncontracted player for someone that doesn't even want to play with you.

What a great idea.by the time both these players are ready for the bigtime the window of oppotunity would have past the cats.
if you dont come to the party thats fine with us.its not as if your the only club after his services.

cheers!

 

[TiGeR221277]

Ottens for Harley and pick 16 or instead of pick 16 spriggs as a sweetner or we should go to the doggies and ask for pick 6 bowden and Gilbee

 

[JohnF]

If we get Harley and Spriggs for Ottens we will need to have some lubricant thrown in the deal.

 

[Robin Hood]

Ottens and pick 20 for Tenace, pick 16 and pick 32.

Take it or we'll send the big dud to Adeliade.

I'd look at that, dont know if i'd accept it. As Punt Road Bear said im not the recruting staff tho.

 

[Croat tiger]

Won't happen.

Just as you wouldn't trade Coughlan, neither will we trade the above.

i beg to differ with that all the players were told in meeting anyone is
tradeable.

 

[Truetiger]

Ottens wont go to geelong Richmond want 2 early round 1 Picks which leaves Adelaide.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Ottens wont go to geelong Richmond want 2 early round 1 Picks which leaves Adelaide.

No matter which club it is.to land 2 1st rnd picks a 3rd club at least will have to be involved in the trade.

cheers!

 

[fishman]

If you guys think Ottens is worth two first round picks you are on something.

 

[Unwritten_Law]

What a great idea.by the time both these players are ready for the bigtime the window of oppotunity would have past the cats.

Yes at 25/26 King, Scarlett and Harley are geriatrics and the midfield, minus Riccardi, are all going to retire in the next three years!

 

[pebsy54]

If Geelong cannot organise a trade to secure us another draft pick for Ottens we are in the box seat. Key forwards win games of footy, Thompson knows that, the reality is that with a contested marker, all flankers look a lot better. Geelong have an abundance of good solid onball/flank types. If we can't get two 1st rounders I think we'll get pick 16 and the best/youngest of these blokes (except Ablett).

Geelong have missed out too much in the past in this department expect them to throw the kitchen sink at this one.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yes at 25/26 King, Scarlett and Harley are geriatrics and the midfield, minus Riccardi, are all going to retire in the next three years!

Obviously you think the current group will go on as one of the best era,s in football history.
Recent history suggests an era is roughly 3 yrs.
i put this to you.both the Cats and the Saints are the next in line to port.
both your midfeild and the saints are pretty much on an even keel.what the saints have is a archillies in their defence and ruckan.with the recruitment of Ottens why not exploit that weakness?
ok you may have to give up a midfeilder to get Ottens.however like i have suggested in other threads perhaps a Tenace.And if you rate tenace then he would replace the midfeilder that is involved in the trade.

the ball is in geelongs court.if they dont come to the party then they miss out on ottens.its as simple as that.

cheers!

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

After what Geoff Walsh at the Kangaroos has said

"We spoke with Richmond as late as Monday about Ottens, and we also spoke with Dan Richardson, of his management, before last weekend," Walsh said.

"We are interested in him and have told (Tigers football manager) Greg Miller that and will do what we can to get him.

"If they want early picks, then we will see what we can do (with other clubs) about that."

looks as though they are prepared to give Richmond what we want.


So if the cats want him that bad they will have to come to the party now or Ottens will end up at the Kangaroos

no more made up offers of pick 16 and a dud player like spriggs or playfair

 

[lachy]

After what Geoff Walsh at the Kangaroos has said

"We spoke with Richmond as late as Monday about Ottens, and we also spoke with Dan Richardson, of his management, before last weekend," Walsh said.

"We are interested in him and have told (Tigers football manager) Greg Miller that and will do what we can to get him.

"If they want early picks, then we will see what we can do (with other clubs) about that."

looks as though they are prepared to give Richmond what we want.


So if the cats want him that bad they will have to come to the party now or Ottens will end up at the Kangaroos

no more made up offer of pick 16 and a dud player like spriggs or playfair

After seeing the Nathan Brown deal last year and what happend to Jade Rawlings I wouldn't be so sure about Ottens going to the club that will give you the best deal. I actually thought you gave up too much for Nathan Brown (we then blew an opportunity with what we did with the draft choices) because it was perceived we held the upper hand with the first choice in the PSD.

Ottens only has to nominate say $500k a year in the PSD so do you thing Richmond who have said will only play players what they are worth will pick him up on that. Same as us last year with Browny, why would we waste a PSD draft choice on a player who want $150k more a year than we wanted to pay for him.

Richmond will only get what Ottens is really worth providing it is to a club Ottens wants to go. I have read the threads here and on the main board with Tiger supporters and Cats supporters getting emotional about the trade, but the reality is it is not the Tigers who do hold the upper hand as either they deal with the club Ottens wants to go to or he gets paid a premium going through the PSD.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

After seeing the Nathan Brown deal last year and what happend to Jade Rawlings I wouldn't be so sure about Ottens going to the club that will give you the best deal. I actually thought you gave up too much for Nathan Brown (we then blew an opportunity with what we did with the draft choices) because it was perceived we held the upper hand with the first choice in the PSD.

Ottens only has to nominate say $500k a year in the PSD so do you thing Richmond who have said will only play players what they are worth will pick him up on that. Same as us last year with Browny, why would we waste a PSD draft choice on a player who want $150k more a year than we wanted to pay for him.

Richmond will only get what Ottens is really worth providing it is to a club Ottens wants to go. I have read the threads here and on the main board with Tiger supporters and Cats supporters getting emotional about the trade, but the reality is it is not the Tigers who do hold the upper hand as either they deal with the club Ottens wants to go to or he gets paid a premium going through the PSD.

He can nominate 500k all he likes but he will end up in Sydney if he does

Geelong & Kangaroos will offer Ottens similar money so if Brad puts a 500k tag on his head you will see those 2 teams lose interest which isnt Brad's preferred choice to happen considering he wants to stay in Melbourne with his mother and brother, with the kangaroos entering in the chase now we are in a stronger position than even before.

 

[lachy]

He can nominate 500k all he likes but he will end up in Sydney if he does

Geelong & Kangaroos will offer Ottens similar money so if Brad puts a 500k tag on his head you will see those 2 teams lose interest which isnt Brad's preferred choice to happen, with the kangaroos in the chase now we are in a stronger position than even before.

That's true, but my point is he will probably get around $400k to play with the club that he wants or $500k to play with a club that wants him. Look at Nick Stevens and Jade Rawlings, neither went to the club they wanted but are now both happy as they have inflated p[ay packets and are at clubs that want them.

All I am saying is whilst the Tiges hold a strong hand it is not as strong as some of your supporters think. Port Adelaide could afford to be strong with Nick Stevens as it had depth, The doggies couldn't with Nathan Brown and had to take what the Tiges were offering. Reality is Nathan Brown is twice the footballer Ottens is, was or could be so if Richmond hold out for as good a deal as we got (then stuffed up in hindsight) for Brown you could be burnt.

As a point of note whilst I do enjoy the Tiger/Bulldog banter I am not a Wallace or Brown hater, I do hope they have no success but to say they have no ability is ridiculous.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

After seeing the Nathan Brown deal last year and what happend to Jade Rawlings I wouldn't be so sure about Ottens going to the club that will give you the best deal.

ottens started in his media release that he hopes we get the best deal possible for him.[words to that effect].
that blows your theory out of the water

cheers!

 

[skywalk750]

Nah Coughlan, not related to Mick Malthouse.

But you are basing your trade thought around Geelong sacrificing important parts of Geelong's game plan to get Ottens.

Face reality coughlan.

They aint going to give up important players that got them to a prelim and two kicks away from a grand final for Ottens.

You guys should aim at draft picks to BUILD your club - no player you get is going to be able to do ANYTHING to get your club to the finals let alone a premiership. Both Geelong and St Kilda have shown how to build up a club.

Geelong was in exactly the same position a few years ago - now look where they are.

No, its Richmond and St Kilda. We didnt disrespect our fans and our jumper by bombing out for priority picks

You want Tenace?

Ottens + #1 draft pick for Tenace, and our first 2 picks in the draft. Most footy experts claimed Tenace could have easily gone #1 in the draft half way through this year. With pace to burn he could potentially be a Judd or a Ball in the future and we arent going to trade him away for anyone short of special.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We didnt disrespect our fans and our jumper by bombing out for priority picks

No instead you changed your jumper to plz your sponser!

cheers!

 

[lachy]

ottens started in his media release that he hopes we get the best deal possible for him.[words to that effect].
that blows your theory out of the water

cheers!

Nick Stevens said the same thing.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Nick Stevens said the same thing.

Nick Stevens deal was different Collingwood couldnt offer what Port wanted, therefore he went into the PSD and put a price on his head which Carlton were willing to pay.

As I have said before

If North are prepared to pay the same as Geelong for Ottens services, Ottens cannot say no to North signing him because its a manipulation of AFL draft rules and not allowed.

The only way Ottens can get out of going to North is if he puts a large sum on his head that only Geelong are prepared to pay and no one else.

Players can nominate where they want to go but if the two clubs cant agree on a deal then that player will end up elsewhere. In this case Kangaroos have basically said they will try and give the Tigers what they want for Ottens so now its really upto Geelong to match it.

 

[lachy]

Nick Stevens deal was different Collingwood couldnt offer what Port wanted, therefore he went into the PSD and put a price on his head which Carlton were willing to pay.

As I have said before

If North are prepared to pay the same as Geelong for Ottens services, Ottens cannot say no to North signing him because its a manipulation of AFL draft rules and not allowed.

The only way Ottens can get out of going to North is if he puts a large sum on his head that only Geelong are prepared to pay and no one else.

Players can nominate where they want to go but if the two clubs cant agree on a deal then that player will end up elsewhere. In this case Kangaroos have basically said they will try and give the Tigers what they want for Ottens so now its really upto Geelong to match it.

Again you are missing the point. If Ottens cannot get to Geelong he will put a large price on his head so he will not care too much where he ends up in the PSD. Actually with $500k on his head the Hawks would be a real possability with Everitt now over 30. North also finished above Adelaide who would pay the larger amount.

If Geeling really want Ottens they will have to match other options. However, this does not necessarily make Richmonds position stronger. If Richmond hold out with Geelong to het what North offer and Ottens refuses to go he goes into the PSD and is adequately compensated for not going to the club of his choice by the pay checqu he will get. So how is this different to Nick Stevens. If Geelong cant offer what Richmond wants he goes into the PSD to a club willing to pay what he wants.

 

[Fwoy]

If that is the case, then we do miss out on getting something in the short term, but we also clear a substantial drain on our resources, and put pressure on another club to pay a minimum of $500,000, for a player who MUST perform with that amount on his own head...and do you think he will play for $200,000 the next year to balance the ledger? He's already proved it's the money he's after. It's not good enough for his pay packet to fall in line with Brown and Coughlan - 2 players worth far more, but currently being paid less than him.

Then the club that is willing to pay that amount can deal with THEIR players who think they deserve more than an under-performing leech.