The pace we need

[lewigie]

Just re-signed with them.. Might still have a chance.

 

[ziad]

Lightning!

I see sideshow streaming down the wing and I have Matera flashbacks!! ....

..... unfortunately Wally....

 

[Prem87]

Imagine how much quicker he would be if toned down and became lean and got super fit...scary

 

[bali-dog]

Lightning!

I see sideshow streaming down the wing and I have Matera flashbacks!! ....

..... unfortunately Wally....

haha..actually i just jagged an old dvd of wce '92 prem..and the young matera just ripped the game apart..his natural ability just stood out from the footy standard/style of the day..now most teams have a gangbuster/speedster/goalkicker in their midst,to burst thru packs on the run..but kicking goals on the run from the wing,still not sure how many of todays players are up to that..he was tagged well by ricardi+kept goalless in the 94 prem.
any more materas out there
but we have speedsters coming down the pipeline,including a freakish one in natanui..

 

[larrikin]

See Wojcinski

He doesn't really play in the middle that much, more of a winger

 

[Strider83]

I think different players have different types of speed. Some have incredible pace over 20-30-40 metres (Hill), some are quick at sidestepping and getting out of congestion through balance and awareness (Ablett), others tire their opponents through sheer work-rate (Cousins). So speed for the sake of speed doesn't mean jack shit unless it's used in the right context.

 

[BOND 007]

When I started this thread I was unsure how to head it up and use the word pace probably erroneously. What I meant was having skillful pace and the ability to work oneself out of congestion and be able to deliver. I have read the posts and seen many of the youngsters mentioned (Selwood, Swift, Naitanui and even a small amount of Shuey) play - and yes some have good straight line speed but NONE of them seem to have the intrinsic ability to be able to evade tackles, sidestep and accelerate from a stationary position as aboriginal boys. For example I have seen Lewis Jetta play several times and he is comfortably quicker than any of the boys mentioned above over the first 3-4 yards.
I still refer back to my original point that WCE lacks that creative flair that a Rioli, Davey (mainly Aaron but possibly Alwyn), or a Motlop posseses. I dont know why the aboriginal boys have it but it is something white kids dont seem to have.
In watching AFL football - there will always be a number of players off limit and the aboriginal boys mentioned above are probably those. It also seems that Wells wife is close to her mother which would certainly be a hurdle in acquiring his services. Maybe Jetta at Bombers is a possibility but IMO Lovett is better and certainly taller and stronger. One poster suggested he was delisting material in 4-5 years - well possibly - but he would certainly offer something substantial in the move upwards if 2011 and 2012 were in the slot.
There is something missing from the Eagles that I dont believe an Ebert, a Swift, a Masten or a Shuey is going to fill.

 

[bodazoka]

I watched Wells play against Port (I think it was) and they used him off the bench as an impact player rather than starting 18 with 90% game time and it worked really well for him. He was able to impact the play without being heavily tagged, didnt rack up posessions but used the ones he had very well.

I was wondering if we should use Kerr in the same mould, he was basically 3rd string when we had Judd and Cousins anyway so it wouldnt be too much of a change from how we used to play him. Even now when our kids are still developing I think it would be a much better prospect than using him the way we did in the past few weeks, the way he was being tagged so heavily rendered him useless anyway.

 

[bodazoka]

When I started this thread I was unsure how to head it up and use the word pace probably erroneously. What I meant was having skillful pace and the ability to work oneself out of congestion and be able to deliver.

If your talking about the ability to break tackles and move through congested space apparently Swift has it, Masten has moved pretty well through the conjestion at times. I wouldnt say its a skill only served by aboriginal players, Judd obviously has it and people dont even bother trying to tackle Ablett any more, Kerr can move through traffic the same way and even Cousins has a great weave through traffic.

Kerr, Swift and Masten IMO will all be players capable of dodging and weaving, Scooter was up there in the agility rankings at draft camp so he might also be able to develope a weave or dodge. Staker on his day cant be tackled and so moves through space well and breaks lines.

I rekon if you have any natural inclination to take the game on with half decent agility and a bit of speed you can develope that side to your game. Its more knowing where and what the opposition is going to do than your own ability to side step them. Cousins for example can read when a guy is over commiting and fakes with the ball to side step or spins around them. Mitchell from Hawthorn also has a nice spin and side step to get around tacklers. Neither are super quick.

 

[lewigie]

haha..actually i just jagged an old dvd of wce '92 prem..and the young matera just ripped the game apart..his natural ability just stood out from the footy standard/style of the day..now most teams have a gangbuster/speedster/goalkicker in their midst,to burst thru packs on the run..but kicking goals on the run from the wing,still not sure how many of todays players are up to that..he was tagged well by ricardi+kept goalless in the 94 prem.
any more materas out there
but we have speedsters coming down the pipeline,including a freakish one in natanui..

His son Brandon is up for draft next year.

Knocked back an offer from the Gold Coast cos he wants to be picked up by the eagles.

Wally's son?

 

[MaxHunt]

Peter's son?

 

[BOND 007]

If your talking about the ability to break tackles and move through congested space apparently Swift has it,

I have seen this kid play a lot and I am not sure about this

Masten has moved pretty well through the conjestion at times. I wouldnt say its a skill only served by aboriginal players, Judd obviously has it and people dont even bother trying to tackle Ablett any more, Kerr can move through traffic the same way and even Cousins has a great weave through traffic.

Kerr, Swift and Masten IMO will all be players capable of dodging and weaving, Scooter was up there in the agility rankings at draft camp so he might also be able to develope a weave or dodge. Staker on his day cant be tackled and so moves through space well and breaks lines.

I rekon if you have any natural inclination to take the game on with half decent agility and a bit of speed you can develope that side to your game. Its more knowing where and what the opposition is going to do than your own ability to side step them. Cousins for example can read when a guy is over commiting and fakes with the ball to side step or spins around them. Mitchell from Hawthorn also has a nice spin and side step to get around tacklers. Neither are super quick.

Bod - I take your point about Ablett and Judd but these 2 are freaks, Cousins is also freakish but in a different way and kerr ahs great skills but simply hasnt the raw pace to go along with the evaisve skills. - so lets compare the mortals.
The Eagles are full of players who are reasonable gatherers and disposers of the ball - nothing within the squad that I have seen leads me to believe there is another Judd waiting to be unearthed. Whilst I am not suggesting the aboriginal boys are of the same quality as Judd, I believe they have similar pace, evasive and disposal skills - unfortunately they dont show it as often which seems to be a trait of the race.
What you seem to indicate is that some of the players of the last 2 drafts may have these skills. I am suggesting the Eagles cannot rely on this and IMO must seek a player who can transcend the mortal boundaries every now and then. I agree about Staker capabilities however
this is rarely seen - and I'm not sure he will be around in blue and gold colours next year anyway.
The Eagles need an X-factor - maybe Naitanui is it who knows but his kicking skills to this point dont lead me to believe this will be the case. However I know Lovett has it - if however there are others around I'm happy to be corrected.

 

[lewigie]

Peter's son?

Think he has a son, but he's like, 10?

 

[BOND 007]

His son Brandon is up for draft next year.

Knocked back an offer from the Gold Coast cos he wants to be picked up by the eagles.

Wally's son?[/quote]


Yes - but cant get picked under F/S

 

[EagleMan87]

His son Brandon is up for draft next year.

Knocked back an offer from the Gold Coast cos he wants to be picked up by the eagles.

Wally's son?

Is that true or are you just speculating?

 

[lewigie]

I read it on the WA 2009 U18 Championship Squad thread.

I'll find the post.

that would be assuming he goes in the first 10 and gold coast is lucky enough to grab
its down to who rates him and how much. i personally think he will run the risk and try to stay in wa.

Yea I have heard the same Johnny he has already knocked them back.

Wants to stay in WA and hopes West Coast pick him up.

Would also like to play for Essendon but still prfers to stay in WA.

apparently was offered to play tac cup for them this year and refused... clear indication to me

So speculation

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Give me a Lewis Jetta than a Andrew Lovett any day.

I remember Lovett from his East Perth days and all the negative stuff said about him was definately true back then.

He may have changed and grown up but he is 26 now.

Would rather us keep drafting young talent.

We went for some aboriginal young talent last year in Jamie Bennell and Neville Jetta who Melbounre beat us to.

We all know we need these types and im sure Woodhouse will have that on mind and look for some this year.

 

[jetts08]

agree 100%

 

[lewigie]

Ergh, you live in Bunbury and go for Hawthorn?

Letting us down, mate

 

[dirtyratz]

The eagles probably looked at getting him last year, but didnt lovett have off field issues? With the AFL putting the clamps on the eagles over the course of 2007 they were probably to s#%t scared to go after him. Not that the eagles have recruited many established players over the years anyway.......who has there been? Chick,Stenglein,Cummings maybe a couple of others, oh and that uselss p*%#k Grigic lol.

 

[westcoasthardman]

When I started this thread I was unsure how to head it up and use the word pace probably erroneously. What I meant was having skillful pace and the ability to work oneself out of congestion and be able to deliver. I have read the posts and seen many of the youngsters mentioned (Selwood, Swift, Naitanui and even a small amount of Shuey) play - and yes some have good straight line speed but NONE of them seem to have the intrinsic ability to be able to evade tackles, sidestep and accelerate from a stationary position as aboriginal boys. For example I have seen Lewis Jetta play several times and he is comfortably quicker than any of the boys mentioned above over the first 3-4 yards.
I still refer back to my original point that WCE lacks that creative flair that a Rioli, Davey (mainly Aaron but possibly Alwyn), or a Motlop posseses. I dont know why the aboriginal boys have it but it is something white kids dont seem to have.
In watching AFL football - there will always be a number of players off limit and the aboriginal boys mentioned above are probably those. It also seems that Wells wife is close to her mother which would certainly be a hurdle in acquiring his services. Maybe Jetta at Bombers is a possibility but IMO Lovett is better and certainly taller and stronger. One poster suggested he was delisting material in 4-5 years - well possibly - but he would certainly offer something substantial in the move upwards if 2011 and 2012 were in the slot.
There is something missing from the Eagles that I dont believe an Ebert, a Swift, a Masten or a Shuey is going to fill.

i agree i think we nedd to draft a couple of aboriginal boys for some foward 50 pressure guys like cyrol,jedda and lovett all played roles in their fist year also

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Swift and Shuey can evade tackles and do the magic sidestep. Ive seen Swift do it all this season the Kerr sidestep and double back around the contests, the Cousins Dummie and the Judd twinkle toes, the Embely 360 hello and goobye, you can do it simply through teasing the opposition by making them second guess it's not exclusive to abroniginal players. Strong shoulders and core strength help as well, a player like Swift, kerr and Shuey are hard to be kept tackled.

Yeah ive seen Lewis play and was impressed, can split players well. Is very Davey like, disposal can be deadly sharp as well. You are thinking of "light feet" agility, where the feet moves faster than the brain and that deadly accelaration where they find an extra gear ala Peter Matera.

Is this the "Draft Lucas and Lewis" Thread?

 

[bodazoka]

It would be nice to draft a player you have mentioned EH, I am still of the opinion that you dont specifically need an exceptionally quick on there feet player to instill the ability to break lines, which of course is the whole point is it not?

Its hard because the two aspects required for the role are fleet of foot and a great disposal, theres no use in dodging someone only to kick it out of bounds and equally theres no use having great disposal and being extremely slow (in the role required). Finding a guy with both aspects indigenous or not is a very hard thing to do.

However... great disposal is of more benefit than a fleet foot and id prefer that we looked for the kids who can dispose of the ball first and try teach them the things that players like Staker, Mitchell, Pendlebury ect.. can do which is evade an opposition player.

 

[no1bankteller]

I still think that Richard Tambling is someone that I would like to have a look at next year. I know that he is a bit of a headcase however he does have skills, pace and evasiveness that we are looking for. I also think that Richmond is an unlikely club to develop players, at the moment. Cotchin was already a good player when he joined the club. Where as I think that we may actually have a decent shot at turning his career about.

I would have Wirra as his mentor he could offer support (that he in my view needs). Not only could he relate to some of the issues Tambling is dealing with but he is also experienced with mentoring Aboriginal youth.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Forget Tambling, numerous options through the the Drafts that we can develop Cameron Kickett, Lewis Jetta, Clint Gartlett and Nicholas Winmar and god knows who from the NT.