"The players must have got the wrong message" - crap!!

[noddy]

Had to double check to make sure i was on the right board & after reading some of the comments posted here i'm still not sure,

Gary Ayres is the coach of the AFC in good times & bad !! sure he's made some blunders just as any other afl coach past & present has but for the guy to drawn & quarted by an interloper from our cross town rivals is bad enough but to have some of our own in agreement & then have Dyertribe give us a bloody lesson in how we will always be a Norwood & forever wallow in the wake of the Port Adelaide Power well that just about takes the cake,

I am a Crow supporter & i do not live on past glories & i will criticize my club, coach & players when i think it's warranted not when some bloody papsie comes on my board with his bloody airs & graces,

The Adelaide Football Club is an identity in it's own right & i do not want my club to look at other AFL clubs in the hope of being a clone but rather that we build on what tradition that we have already built so far in our short history,

& maybe i am being a bit naive & looking for the improbable but i bloody well think we are not done for yet & that we can win this weeks showdown & go on to make a real run at this years flag,

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

I agree with dyertribe. We're becoming the Norwood of the AFL. All talk, all hype, and produce nothing. Norwood have done absolutely **** all in the last twenty years. They've produced two premierships, when in fact they should've won '87, '93 (against the new team [Eagles]), '98, '99, '02.

Frankly, as supporters of the club, why should we be forced to up with this annoying three quarter crap football where the team goes to sleep in a quarter, and loses a massive lead they've built up, and narrowly win the game.

It's frustrating >_<

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by GoalsFrom50Out
Norwood have done absolutely **** all in the last twenty years.

Last Twenty years? And the rest. Try the last 50.

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Well. That's true.

 

[DaveW]

This is only the third year since 1971 that Norwood haven't contested the finals.

Five premierships in that time too. Which isn't as bad as everyone is making out.

Perhaps the number of premierships is still disproportionately low compared to the number of finals appearances. But if that's analagous to any AFL club, it's Port Power, not us.

 

[kirky]

I for one believe that this side is fully aware that the last two weeks have been their worst performances for the year. Not the time to do it but then again what a way to pull it off, false sense of security for the others.

This side will account for itself this week then will start the fours weeks to glory. You don't lose talent and skill overnight (perhaps passion but that is easily returned) and this side has what it takes and contary to what the Rucci says - for $uck sake until two weeks ago our largest defeat (and in Brisbane for that matter) was 18 points - we must have been doing someting right.

Oh ye of little faith - the grail is still there. Now go and get it boys.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Macca19
Interesting post.

97 and 98 were a long time ago now. Are the large majority of Crows fans too concerned with those premierships still and thinking along the lines of Port hasnt won one yet so its all good...rather than being more concerned about very possible Crows premiership success in the near future?

Do the Crows supporters as a whole think that 13-9 and 5th or 6th spot and being a finals also-ran is classed as success?

Macca if you think the majority of Crow fans are living on past glories get out of Adelaide & talk to the reginal Crow fans who would soon put you on the right track,

I have said this before & i'll say it again, a great year for me would be a Crows premiership & to top it off the wooden spoon for Port Adelaide & i'm bloody sure most if not all pap supporters would love the reverse to happen,

& as for for your last paragraph well i find that rather insulting & not what i would expect from you, Pred maybe but not you,

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by macca23
I, like the majority of others, didn't bag the coach after the Collingwood game, and if I have at any time during the year it's been on the rarest of occasions and IMO would have ben justified.

Don't confuse loyalty with blindness.

Last week we showed the Kangas no respect and paid the price. Neil Craig openly said on TV before the game that they were experimenting with a game plan against the Roos who in their opinion played a similar style to Port, Brisbane and Collingwood.

If what we saw was it, then it was the game plan of a madman.

My criticism is equally levelled at the selection committee, the coaching panel and the players for one of the dumbest most pathetic displays when we had everything to gain.

Loyalty includes honesty.

All of us could see that the coaches, players & selectors stuffed up badly for what surely was the biggest stuff-up our club has done for a few years & i was in the quew with my ranting & raving but life goes on there is this week & the week after & then if we bomb out the hard questions will be asked,

I consider myself a loyal AFC supporter who at the same time can keep his feet on the ground & critizize when necessary but bloody hell the seasons not over yet,

 

[SAbella]

Originally posted by Jars458
Lets all jump on the lets bag the coach bandwagon after two defeats

This is second best home and away season ever after last year.


The loyalty factor amongst our supporters this week is becoming really disturbing.

I don't think what is going on this week is a loyality issue but rather a great feeling of disappointment and maybe a sense of dread. I think Crows supporters at the moment are feeling shocked, angry and need to vent. It is so frustrating to think that because of one game the Crows whole season can be basically destroyed and they'll lose their Top 4 position which they have held for the majority of the year-it is just such a waste, I think the feelings are all quite valid and it makes it worse when you know where the team could be and that they are not going to maximise their potential, it is only natural that people are going to look at where the problem is, so really its not a loyalty issue at all.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by napsyd
No one would say we have the best coach in the AFL. No one would say we have the best list in the AFL.

Making judgements about our season based on the last two weeks performance is crap. Yes, they have been awful, but they are just two games.

My feeling is that we are not travelling as well this year as last, but it is too soon to start condemning the coach, players, staff and the bloke who turns out the lights at footy park after each game to eternal mediocrity.

Lets dissect the season when the season is over.

No we don't have the best coach in the AFL and no we don't have the best list.

I can honestly say that overall this year has been disappoining up to this point. We dropped some games that we never should have dropped (St. Kilda, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Fremantle and Kangaroos), we didn't capitalise on our opportunities during the season. How many times during this year did we have a chance to go 1st or 2nd and failed to make the most of it. Yes we did have a rotten run with injuries but it is no excuse for some of these games where we should have well and truely won.

I agree that we are not travelling as well as we did last year and that can be partly associated with the injuries that we had and not having a settled line up. Personally I was feeling a lot more confident going into the finals last year than I am this year unless we somehow turn around our form and play at our peak for the entire game and not have any brain fade outs.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by noddy
Macca if you think the majority of Crow fans are living on past glories get out of Adelaide & talk to the reginal Crow fans who would soon put you on the right track,

Heres a challenge for you. Go to this showdown in Port Power gear and count the amount of times a Crows supporter will say to you 'How many flags you got?' or 'Weve got two premierships you know'. I guarantee you at least 30 times it will be said to you.

I have said this before & i'll say it again, a great year for me would be a Crows premiership & to top it off the wooden spoon for Port Adelaide & i'm bloody sure most if not all pap supporters would love the reverse to happen,

Your probably right.

& as for for your last paragraph well i find that rather insulting & not what i would expect from you, Pred maybe but not you,

What is so insulting about it? I reckon its a fair point. Im not talking about Crows fans on this board. Im talking about as a whole - the whole lot. A fair few clubs out there class other things as a success. I bet St Kilda would be classing this year as a success. I bet Fremantle would be at this point as well.

Each supporter has a different ideal on what success is. I bet there are Crows supporters out there who would be happy just to finish above Port each year. Some would view a year to year improvement in wins/ladder position as success. Some supporters view making the finals each year as success. Then there are supporters who only view the ultimate as a succesful year.

There was no malice intended in the question.

 

[ant]

Originally posted by SAbella
I don't think what is going on this week is a loyality issue but rather a great feeling of disappointment and maybe a sense of dread. I think Crows supporters at the moment are feeling shocked, angry and need to vent. It is so frustrating to think that because of one game the Crows whole season can be basically destroyed and they'll lose their Top 4 position which they have held for the majority of the year-it is just such a waste, I think the feelings are all quite valid and it makes it worse when you know where the team could be and that they are not going to maximise their potential, it is only natural that people are going to look at where the problem is, so really its not a loyalty issue at all.

Good post, but for me, I'm neither angry, nor shocked anymore. I've simply come to the realisation we're just not plain good enough.

When push comes to shove, when it really comes down to it, when the important games come, we're just not on the same level as some other teams.

The whole year I thought differently, but it's crystal clear to me now.

 

[SAbella]

Originally posted by ant
Good post, but for me, I'm neither angry, nor shocked anymore. I've simply come to the realisation we're just not plain good enough.

Thanks It sounds to me as though you are feeling really disillusiioned with the Crows at the moment and honestly I can't say I blame you, it really is hard to keep the hope alive for this year but the season isn't over yet, you never know saturday may have been a really good wake up call for the team. Let's hope they remember all their hardwork and start to REALLY realise whats at stake.

When push comes to shove, when it really comes down to it, when the important games come, we're just not on the same level as some other teams.

I dont know what happens to them when their backs are against the wall, maybe they need to learn how to cope with pressure better. Whats so frustrating is that they are fundamentally a VERY good sign and when they want to be they are up there with the other top 4 sides

 

[ant]

Originally posted by SAbella


Thanks It sounds to me as though you are feeling really disillusiioned with the Crows at the moment and honestly I can't say I blame you, it really is hard to keep the hope alive for this year but the season isn't over yet, you never know saturday may have been a really good wake up call for the team. Let's hope they remember all their hardwork and start to REALLY realise whats at stake.

I thought rounds 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 16 and 20 were going to be good wake up calls too. The Crows have their phones off the hook.

Virtually every key, crucial, season defining moment this year, we have folded like a pack of cards. Nearly every opportunity we have had to show how far we've come, to make a statement, to move forward, particularly against good teams, we've crumbled.

Maybe the boys know what's at stake. Maybe they try hard, give their all. But they're just not good enough. It's obvious to me, the season is as good as over. We are making up the numbers.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Macca19
Heres a challenge for you. Go to this showdown in Port Power gear and count the amount of times a Crows supporter will say to you 'How many flags you got?' or 'Weve got two premierships you know'. I guarantee you at least 30 times it will be said to you.

That's exactly right - and I cringe when I hear my fellow Crows supporters say it. It makes me sick to be honest.

I couldn't give a flying **** what Port are doing except when they sit three games clear of the league and have proceeded to make us their b1tch for the past 6 Showdowns - regardless of the fact they've had key personnel down all year... meanwhile at West Lakes we've conceded an entire season as soon as a ruckman goes down three separate times in the past.

Yes we won flags in 1997 and 1998 - in 1999 I was ropable at the way the club imploded and turned in the worst performance by a reigning premier in league history... and you know what I was told by some fellow season ticket holders and mates of mine when I vented this anger?:

"You can't win it every year"... "We've already seen two"...

I am disgusted by this resting on our laurels crap and a lot of supporters still practice it. I grew up supporting and loving a powerhouse that stepped up to the line and gave its all every single time it was asked regardless of injuries and suspensions - and even if defeated the club never let its members, supporters and bandwagoners down.

These days I am deadly passionate about the Adelaide Football Club... I saw the pioneering days in 1991... the excitement of 1993... the sub-mediocrity of 1994-1996 through to the glory days of the two flags... followed by the 1999 and 2000 slide and the recent rebirth.

Like many of you here, I've seen it all. I am a fully paid up member and have a right to call it as I see it, and what I see now disgusts me. For this reason I'm sticking by my Norwood comparison because that's what we're getting. A lot of theory, no practice.

This season has rapidly turned from one of imminent success to one of imminent disaster - yes we're still in it, but barring a miracle we won't get close to a repeat of last year's Preliminary Final let alone a Premiership this season - and this is heartbreaking considering we'd all agree that at the dawn of this year, season 2003 was arguably the greatest chance we've had in our 13 season history of winning one.

Now what do I hear following this recent meldown? The same old chickens of 1994... 1996... 1999... coming home to roost: "oh ye of little faith"... "let's look at things after the season". Why? I have faith. I do dissect things post-season - and it seems to me that the same old lessons of past failures and underachievement have not been learnt by our coaching staff and players alike.

I go to every game expecting to see Adelaide win... and if we don't, I expect a competent effort to take heart from. Too many times this year we've blown games because - according to Ayres and McLeod - 'we weren't mentally prepared' or 'we didn't give the Saints/Hawks/Kangaroos et al enough credit'.

It's not good enough for you and it's not good enough for me. Just look at the mood and responses on this board... some are angry... some are livid... others are still showing somewhat of a blind faith... others seem apathetic and resigned to our fate.

Either way, it's unacceptable. And when Primus, Voss or Buckley holds up that cup and we're all sitting in our homes or in a pub somewhere watching the joy of those we ourselves sneered at before this season went to ****, all we can do is shut our mouth and put the kettle on/order another round.

 

[ClintEastwood]

There you go Noddy, you mental giant you. Before you go running off at the mouth about Power interlopers desecrating your board, perhaps ask yourself if he is just voicing what many are thinking.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by SAbella
I it is only natural that people are going to look at where the problem is, so really its not a loyalty issue at all.

There was no problem for 19 weeks

Now after an expected loss to Collingwood and one poor home performance everyone is blaming the coach

Yes - it is a loyalty issue

People ahve to calm down and be a bit more rational about it

We will know mor about the fabric of our team after Sunday.

I say again - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Pred
There you go Noddy, you mental giant you. Before you go running off at the mouth about Power interlopers desecrating your board, perhaps ask yourself if he is just voicing what many are thinking.

There you go yourself pred (where did i mention the word desecrating),

what you say is to me irrelevant as your purpose is to stir & frankly i can handle that because if your club repeats it's last 2 years finals efforts this year i shall take the time out to return the favour,

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Macca19
Heres a challenge for you. Go to this showdown in Port Power gear and count the amount of times a Crows supporter will say to you 'How many flags you got?' or 'Weve got two premierships you know'. I guarantee you at least 30 times it will be said to you.
.

It will be about the same number of times I called a fat girls rudy bits just for barracking for my side

About the same number of times Port fans say at least we are a real club with traditions and not a corporate monolith.

About the smae nubmer of times both sets of fans will blame the umpries for what happens

About the same number of times KG stutters on the Friday night football show

About the same number of times Johnny Howard will play the race card.


Its all cliches, and they belong to every club.

It proves nothing.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Macca19
Heres a challenge for you. Go to this showdown in Port Power gear and count the amount of times a Crows supporter will say to you 'How many flags you got?' or 'Weve got two premierships you know'. I guarantee you at least 30 times it will be said to you.

Macca i was at the last showdown in 02 stuck in the middle of the n/e pocket with my Crows scarf wrapped around my neck & i wont even bother to start repeating all the advice & lessons from history i had to liston to,

 

[ClintEastwood]

Originally posted by noddy
your purpose is to stir

Oh your Holiness has managed somehow to divine my purpose has he? You imbecile. Wrong. Bzzzzzzzzzzt. Noddy, You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

 

[_espoir]

Originally posted by Jars458


Its all cliches, and they belong to every club.

It proves nothing.

i agree, we give it to others that dont support our club, and people give it back. just gotta learn not to take it to heart. Everyone believe's their club is better than another, everyone believes their club is right, *shrugs* happens all the time... we get the flag thing, we get the chokers, we get this or that... and i'm sure we give it back just as bad to other supporters.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Pred
Oh your Holiness has managed somehow to divine my purpose has he? You imbecile. Wrong. Bzzzzzzzzzzt. Noddy, You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

Holiness, i can live with that,

Imbecile, been called worse,

Goodbye, is that a promise ? ( but not before we meet on the field of no-return)

 

[ClintEastwood]

Originally posted by noddy
Goodbye, is that a promise ?

Only if you promise to have your hands amputated and mouth filled with quick-dry cement.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

quote:
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Originally posted by noddy
Goodbye, is that a promise ?
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Originally posted by Pred
Only if you promise to have your hands amputated and mouth filled with quick-dry cement.

Hmmmm, we would have to consider this proposal, although I'm not so sure we can afford to sacrifice noddy.