The Players- yay or nay?

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I did this after the 03 GF and I'm doing it now.

Simple- yay= deservest their spot in the team/list
nay- needs to be looked at as a delisting or traid bait.

yay*- ongoing assesment but ok for immediate future and immediate future ONLY.

here goes,

1. L. Davis- yay
2. S. Woewodin- nay
3. R. Lonie- nay
4. A. Didak- yay
5. N. Buckley- yay
6. B. Holland- yay
7. C Morrison- yay*
8. J. Clement- yay
9. J. Rowe-yay
10. B. Caracella- nay
11. S. O'Bree- nay
12. T. Walker-nay
13. R. Cole- yay*
14. S. Wakelin- yay
17. S. Burns- yay
18. P. Licuria- yay
19. A. Williams- nay
20. C. Tarrant- yay
22. R. Shaw- yay
23. A Rocca- yay
24. T Lockyer- yay*
25. J. Fraser- yay
26. B. Johnson- yay
27. N. Maxwell- yay
29. M. Lokan- nay
32. J. Cloke- nay
33. C. Cloke- yay*
34. T. Cloke- yay
35. S Prestigiacomo- yay
36. D. Swan- nay
38. A Iacabucci- yay
41. B. Davies- yay

Dunno who I've missed, I've plucked the [layers and numbers from my head.
 

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Keep and build side around -
Didak, Buckley, C.Morrison, Clement, Rowe, Caracella, Walker, Wakelin, Egan, Davidson, Burns, Licuria, Tarrant, Richards, Shaw, Rocca, Johnson, Maxwell, Rusling, T.Cloke, Prestigiacomo, Iacobucci, Davies.

Up for trade - or keep as depth -
Davis, Woewodin, Lonie, Holland, Cole, Lockyer, Fraser, King, C.Cloke, Swan, H.Shaw

Going going goooooooone -
O'Bree, Williams, Lokan, J.Cloke

Just want them to do something -
B.Morrison, Hall, B.Shaw
 

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Somebody should poin out to the players that game is FOOTBALL not HANDBALL.

Our 2 great recruits.

Morrison 10 kicks 14 Handballs

Caracellar 3 kicks 10 Handballs
 

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what the ******** you on about goalpie? chad is always at the bottom of the packs setting up play of the backline...but you do want Blake to be kicking it a bit more, still if the opportunity isnt there then why kick it?
 

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I want the whole team kicking it more. Look at difference between kicks in the two teams and look who won.
 
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Hoggy said:
Keep and build side around -
Didak, Buckley, C.Morrison, Clement, Rowe, Caracella, Walker, Wakelin, Egan, Davidson, Burns, Licuria, Tarrant, Richards, Shaw, Rocca, Johnson, Maxwell, Rusling, T.Cloke, Prestigiacomo, Iacobucci, Davies.

Up for trade - or keep as depth -
Davis, Woewodin, Lonie, Holland, Cole, Lockyer, Fraser, King, C.Cloke, Swan, H.Shaw

Going going goooooooone -
O'Bree, Williams, Lokan, J.Cloke

Just want them to do something -
B.Morrison, Hall, B.Shaw
Keep Caracella!!!! You are kidding yourself mate. Against Freo he looked about as interested as Pope Benedict at a swingers ball. At one stage the ball came in the forward line, he was near the action one second and about 50 metres away the next, provided no forward line pressure at all and just stood there spectating, bring a deckcahir nextime and the suntan lotion, why do you think the Bombers and Lions let you go? And Josh Fraser, give him a break, he hasnt even had a chance to settle in this year, he will come good. I agree with pretty much the rest. Clokes and Shaws will not be traded, with the exception of Jason Cloke, who may be the youngest player to retire form footy, GOT NO IDEA!! Oh by the way.............NOT HAPPY!!!
 

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I have heard with good authority (ie a son of a Brownlow Medallist who definently knows Fraser - I asked him at the Xmas BBQ) that Fraser wants to go to North.

Send him there and give us Hale.
 

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I want the whole team kicking it more. Look at difference between kicks in the two teams and look who won.
I think it's because we don't have a big target to kick to, like Pebbles. T.Cloke is only raw and Taz doesn't have the presence of a CHF.
 

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1. Leon Davis (?)
2. Shane Woewodin (Get rid of him)
3. Ryan Lonie (?)
4. Alan Didak (keep)
5. Nathan Buckley (keep)
6. Brodie Holland (?)
7. Chad Morrison (Get rid of him)
8. James Clement (Keep)
9. Julian Rowe (keep)
10. Blake Caracella (?)
11. Shane O'bree (Get rid of him, sorry O'B :( )
12. Tristen Walker (Keep)
13. Richard Cole (keep)
14. Shane Wakelin (keep)
15. Chris Egan (?)
16. Tom Davidson (?)
17. Scott Burns (keep)
18. Paul Licuria (keep)
19. Andrew Williams (get rid of him)
20. Chris Tarrant (keep)
21. Guy Richards (keep)
22. Rhyce Shaw (keep)
23. Anthony Rocca (keep)
24. Tarkyn Lockyer (?)
25. Josh Fraser (keep)
26. Ben Johnson (keep)
27. Nick Maxwell (keep)
29. Matthew Lokan (get rid of him)
31. Bill Morrison (?)
32. Travis Cloke (keep)
33. Cameron Cloke (keep)
34. Jason Cloke (?)
35. Simon Prestigiacomo (keep)
36. Dane Swan (?)
37. Brayden Shaw (?)
39. Heath Shaw (?)
38. Adam Iacobucci (keep)
41. Ben Davies (?)

All of the guys that haven't made there debuts yet for Collingwood have question marks over them.

All others with question marks are either good trade bait or need to do more.
 

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Jason Cloke was nearly BOG against Saints in the first half, perhaps vying with Presti. Then Presti went down and he has had to fill Presti's shoes since then, not very successfully. I would have thought Clement being taller should have taken Gehring and Pavlich not Jas, though everyone had a go.

With everyone available, I reckon Clokey adds something to our backline and is in our best six.
 

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Hoggy said:
I have heard with good authority (ie a son of a Brownlow Medallist who definently knows Fraser - I asked him at the Xmas BBQ) that Fraser wants to go to North.

Send him there and give us Hale.
Intersting.

We wouldn't swap him for Hale. Hale will only ever leave if he requests to go back to QLD. Brissie offered some tasty things for him last year, and we didn't think twice. Too much work into the kid and too much upside to let him go.

Figgy wouldn't like having him though. Worst big man in the game apparently.

:confused:
 

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Hoggy said:
I have heard with good authority (ie a son of a Brownlow Medallist who definently knows Fraser - I asked him at the Xmas BBQ) that Fraser wants to go to North.

Send him there and give us Hale.
Since posting on the various boards over the years I have heard thousands of rumours that were said at the time to be from an impeccable inside sources.

I can count on one hand the number that actually eventuate
 

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Hoggy said:
I have heard with good authority (ie a son of a Brownlow Medallist who definently knows Fraser - I asked him at the Xmas BBQ) that Fraser wants to go to North.

Send him there and give us Hale.
I don't know if I can edit posts as a moderator when I read something stupid, but I'm tempted to in this case.

Hale is as weak as ********. Fraser should only be traded off for high draft picks.
 

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Figgy wouldn't like having him though. Worst big man in the game apparently.
He's not the worst, but very close to it. He's definitely the least balanced tall I reckon I've ever seen. Makes Josh Fraser look proficient in a contested marking contest!
 

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I don't know if I can edit posts as a moderator when I read something stupid, but I'm tempted to in this case.
But who moderates the moderators!!!!????

Hale is as weak as ********
Incorrect. But you know that.

Fraser should only be traded off for high draft picks
.[/QUOTE]

And you would get them off who exactly...?
 

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He's not the worst, but very close to it
Oh, ok. When he is 23, will he be nearly average. By 25 will be be nearly one of the best. As long as he is making ground I spose.

He's definitely the least balanced tall I reckon I've ever seen
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If you have seen as much as him as I have, you will understand how perplexing I find your opinion to be considering my agreeance with mos of the other stuff you write. Not going into it again.

Makes Josh Fraser look proficient in a contested marking contest!
Yep. he has officially lost it. Nurse!!!
 

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I watch a truckload of footy NorthBhoy, both AFL and VFL.

Hale didn't impress me for Port Melbourne. Not once. Now he's a permanent member of North, he still doesn't impress me.

The only time he looks reasonable, is if he's uncontested. Jason Cloke looks good if he doesn't have to play on anyone, so it's hardly a positive attribute at the top level.

Like I've said before, it's just my opinion and one based on plenty of sightings. But I've been known to be wrong many times, so don't listen to what I said.

That said, if we traded for him, I'd tear the club a new one!!
 

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I watch a truckload of footy NorthBhoy, both AFL and VFL
Righto.

Hale didn't impress me for Port Melbourne. Not once. Now he's a permanent member of North, he still doesn't impress me.
Last year he had 6 games in a row of 20+ posessions and at least one goal playing 1st ruck in the VFL. You must have missed those. His kicking ability doesn't impress you? His ability below his knees? His actual rucking performance against Hawthorn where he beat Spider and kicked goals, again, playing ruck?

The only time he looks reasonable, is if he's uncontested. Jason Cloke looks good if he doesn't have to play on anyone, so it's hardly a positive attribute at the top level.
I think that a 20yo ruckman who can find space and kick the footy like he does is a very positive attribute. I said as much about Fraser and still do. Massive skill and very valuable. Ability to mark the ball in a pack is coming and has steadily improved this year. Took at least 3 contested or hot marks last week amongst his 7.

Like I've said before, it's just my opinion and one based on plenty of sightings. But I've been known to be wrong many times, so don't listen to what I said.
If you were a dill, I wouldn't. But you're not, hence my confusion.

That said, if we traded for him, I'd tear the club a new one!!
My only query is why you would do this if you gained the services of a talented, 20yo sub 30 game ruckman/forward but have not done this already, many, many, many times given the recent 'efforts' at the trade and draft table.
 
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