The Pokie Debate - My Personal View

[tonygeeks]

Anyone know how pokies work ? I imagine it's a percentage of amount gambled they have to pay out. Is this set by regulation or decided by the operator? If so is each machine its own economy or all the machines in the venue are one economy and the payouts are random ?


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[Snake_Baker]

Anyone know how pokies work ? I imagine it's a percentage of amount gambled they have to pay out. Is this set by regulation or decided by the operator? If so is each machine its own economy or all the machines in the venue are one economy and the payouts are random ?


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They are rigged in favor of the house, and over a long enough period of play you will lose all of your money.

Download a poker machine computer program, rig up some flashing lights and bells and play the thing at home for next to nothing.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Well, well, well................

Jeff Kennett's tech company in Crown casino pokies dispute

James Packer's Crown Resorts is preparing to sack its poker machine technicians and outsource the work to a company directed by former state premier Jeff Kennett.

Crown has told the workers, who install, fix and transport the gaming machines at its Melbourne casino, that they will be laid off at the end of July.........

As premier of Victoria in the 1990s, Mr Kennett was responsible for approving the massive Southbank entertainment complex and granting the casino licence to the Crown Consortium.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon, who has previously criticised Mr Kennett's links to his gaming machine company while he was chairman of mental health group beyondblue, said the details of Amtek's new contract should be made public. He said the deal revealed a need for new disclosure obligations for former government ministers.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/work...n-crown-casino-pokies-dispute-20170705-gx5673

It's a mates world.

Meanwhile . . .

Nek minit

Fill your bloody boots pubs'n'clubs

 

[Snake_Baker]

Andrews is a putrid disgrace.

He's even getting in to bed with the Bailllieu's these days.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Anyone know how pokies work ? I imagine it's a percentage of amount gambled they have to pay out. Is this set by regulation or decided by the operator?

in australia (and elsewhere i'd expect) the payouts are set by the regulator. machines have a little plaque on them which state how much they must pay out by law.

If so is each machine its own economy or all the machines in the venue are one economy and the payouts are random ?

each machine is its own economy.

there is no (real) randomisation in poker machines as software can't deliver random results. pokies use a "seed" and utilise what is called pseudo-random number generation. in other words, if you put the same seed(s) into it, it will deliver the exact same outcome each time.

if you are interested, this is a good read about how some russians have been cheating the pseudo random system in US casinos.

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/russians-engineer-brilliant-slot-machine-cheat-casinos-no-fix/

 

[tonygeeks]

in australia (and elsewhere i'd expect) the payouts are set by the regulator. machines have a little plaque on them which state how much they must pay out by law.



each machine is its own economy.

there is no (real) randomisation in poker machines as software can't deliver random results. pokies use a "seed" and utilise what is called pseudo-random number generation. in other words, if you put the same seed(s) into it, it will deliver the exact same outcome each time.

if you are interested, this is a good read about how some russians have been cheating the pseudo random system in US casinos.

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/russians-engineer-brilliant-slot-machine-cheat-casinos-no-fix/

Cheers


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[Crankyhawk]

what ****s me off more than anything is:

www.crikey.com.au



www.crikey.com.au

Kennett?? The same Kennett who is apparently the passionate advocate of Beyond Blue, the depression initiative?

Gee, do you reckon problem gambling contributes to depression much?

Once again, Jeff Kennett you are a filthy fat ****ing hypocrite

Think he is partly in crowns pocket, didn't Kennett oversee crown starting up in vic? So will continue to be pro gambling.

And I know it was kirner who let pokies into vic in the first place. Stupid decision. At least when vics had to drive to nsw there was some money going to country town tourism en route.

Edit posted that even before seeing snake bakers post about Kennett and crown..

 

[Crankyhawk]

No one is forcing people to put their money into a poker machine.



That's still not the pokies fault. They are there to make money - that's their job. The people that are using them are exercising thir own free will. It is THEIR fault if they choose to use the poker machines. There are all sorts of advertisements on TV and in the media about problem gambling.

It really angers me when people choose to blame the government for not doing anything, or the casinos themselves. It is NOT the governments fault. It is NOT the casino's fault. It is purely and soley the fault of the adults, who are over 18 and exercising their own judgement - for making THEIR choice to play a poker machine.



Why? The whole point of pokies ONLY being for those over the age of 18 is that if you are over that age, you are old enough to make a judgement on how to run your own life.

We DO have controls. If you are under 18 you can't use them. Only adults can use them. That's the only control you need. Anything else is treating people like idiots.

Last time I checked there is no law forcing people to play poker machines.

Dangerous pastimes ike gambling are restricted to those over 18 for a reason. Those that are younger may not be able to understand the odds, and ramifications. That's why only those over 18 are allowed to do it. If you are over 18, and STILL choose to exercise your own free will, then it's not up to the government to stop you and control your life.

There should be LESS government, not more FFS.

Was the general population better off pre pokies? We weren't complaining we were being denied rights before they came, just the inconvenience of driving to nsw.

Would be happy for a pokies specific computer virus to wipe them out (wonder if there's a kickstart project there...)

 

[Kwality]

Was the general population better off pre pokies? We weren't complaining we were being denied rights before they came, just the inconvenience of driving to nsw.

Would be happy for a pokies specific computer virus to wipe them out (wonder if there's a kickstart project there...)

WA gets a lesser share of its GST courtesy of limiting pokies to the casino (not every pub & club) - someone must love the scourge, aka NSW & Vic get more GST thanks to pokies.

 

[Power Raid]

It's time to fix GST and as part of that include police revenue as an offset. That way governments can ween off the misery machines.

 

[tandino]

If we have to have pokies, they should be in plain packaging like cigarettes. No noise, no lights, no reels.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I see Hawthorn won the 'pokies premiership'. It seems pretty disingenuous to proclaim yourself the family club while taking 23 million from the communities you pretend to care about.

Disgusting behaviour and I'm so glad that West Coast, Fremantle and North Melbourne avoid that.

 

[Lebbo73]

I see Hawthorn won the 'pokies premiership'. It seems pretty disingenuous to proclaim yourself the family club while taking 23 million from the communities you pretend to care about.

Disgusting behaviour and I'm so glad that West Coast, Fremantle and North Melbourne avoid that.

This post reeks of hurtbutt to me. You can't beat us on the field so you have a crack at the morality stakes. How's your drug culture going btw?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

This post reeks of hurtbutt to me. You can't beat us on the field so you have a crack at the morality stakes. How's your drug culture going btw?

Relevance to pokies?

 

[tandino]

How many kids have to go to bed hungry so that Hawthorn and Essendon and the rest can play football?

 

[Garlic muncher]

I see Hawthorn won the 'pokies premiership'. It seems pretty disingenuous to proclaim yourself the family club while taking 23 million from the communities you pretend to care about.

Disgusting behaviour and I'm so glad that West Coast, Fremantle and North Melbourne avoid that.

Western Australia has the highest per capita spend on lotto in the world, i may have actually posted this in this thread earlier, i don't know i haven't read it all.

How many hidden lotto addicts does WA Have ? and is it comparable to pokies ?.

MO is that pokies like lots of other things are perfectly harmless and decent entertainment as long as you are in control.

WCE and Freo would have pokies if they could, no matter what they say.

 

[Lebbo73]

Relevance to pokies?

How many kids have to go to bed hungry so that Hawthorn and Essendon and the rest can play football?

I am a former compulsive gambler who hasn't gambled for 9 years. While I am not a fan of pokie machines, these places wouldn't be profitable if people didn't go in and gamble.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I am a former compulsive gambler who hasn't gambled for 9 years. While I am not a fan of pokie machines, these places wouldn't be profitable if people didn't go in and gamble.

I sympathise with your plight, and I'm happy to hear that it sounds like you've recovered.

West Coast's drug issues still don't belong in a thread about pokies, however.

 

[Lebbo73]

I sympathise with your plight, and I'm happy to hear that it sounds like you've recovered.

West Coast's drug issues still don't belong in a thread about pokies, however.

Either does taking pot shots to deliberately antagonise a specific set of posters.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Either does taking pot shots to deliberately antagonise a specific set of posters.

From memory, Hawthorn took a looooot more money than the next club. I felt that was pertinent to a thread about pokies, on a football forum.

 

[Garlic muncher]

I am a former compulsive gambler who hasn't gambled for 9 years. While I am not a fan of pokie machines, these places wouldn't be profitable if people didn't go in and gamble.

I like to gamble, i also understand how easy it is to "chase" when you are down, i have done it, you have to have pretty good self control but at the end of the day you need self control over food, drinking, overspending etc etc.

I don't mind playing the pokies, for Ex with my Mrs we head to Burswood once in a while during a normal weekday when not working, we have a meal, play the pokies, roulette etc, we don't really expect to win, but have a bit of entertainment.

Lot of people do the same thing, but of course i understand that some people are addicted and possibly can go off the rails.

ATM i am having a bet at Pakenham via Crown bet.

My favourite game is 2 up actually, and the photo on my profile is actually the 2 up shed at Kalgoorlie, IMO a famous Australian landmark and still used.

*edit, if you have stopped gambling, kudos to you if you feel it was a problem, that's a strong effort

 

[Lebbo73]

From memory, Hawthorn took a looooot more money than the next club. I felt that was pertinent to a thread about pokies, on a football forum.

I like the fact that 2015 is still haunting you.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I like the fact that 2015 is still haunting you.

Not at all, friend.

2015 was a pretty magical run where everything had to go right for West Coast to make the grand final. I'm amazed they made it that far.

 

[AM]

I'm all for sporting clubs taking the lead. However - as has been mentioned - the reality is that while governments are hooked on the revenue they rake in from the pokies and therefore merely talk about taking meaningful action the poker devotees will simply move to non sporting pokie venues.

 

[Snake_Baker]

As if they weren't rigged enough already

Crown casino faces possible licence suspension after alleged pokies tampering

Mon 5 Mar 2018 18.01 AEDT First published on Mon 5 Mar 2018 17.24 AEDT

Crown casino faces potential disciplinary action, including the possible suspension of its licence, from Victoria’s gambling watchdog after allegedly removing gambling options on some of its poker machines.

The Melbourne casino has been warned it may be in breach of the Gambling Regulation Act by “blanking buttons” on the machines.

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation says Crown should have sought approval before conducting a three-week trial involving 17 of its machines, Crown wrote in a statement to the stockmarket on Monday.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...nce-suspension-after-alleged-pokies-tampering