No Oppo Supporters The Positivity Thread

[StingBitten]

Positive - Over 40k supporters rocked up after the Carlton debacle with full knowledge our season is cooked. I was really worried after seeing the volume of fans walk out early a fortnight ago.

Regardless of what you think of JL the fanbase has grown significantly since Ross departed in 2019.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Positive - Over 40k supporters rocked up after the Carlton debacle with full knowledge our season is cooked. I was really worried after seeing the volume of fans walk out early a fortnight ago.

Regardless of what you think of JL the fanbase has grown significantly since Ross departed in 2019.

Regardless of results, we are playing some exciting footy in patches and have a fair few players with a bit of excitement and X factor. Better viewing (mostly) than the Ross Lyon robots when results weren’t going our way

 

[s_wd6]

Positive - Over 40k supporters rocked up after the Carlton debacle with full knowledge our season is cooked. I was really worried after seeing the volume of fans walk out early a fortnight ago.

Regardless of what you think of JL the fanbase has grown significantly since Ross departed in 2019.

Take away the Norwood "home" game, and we average 45,800 at home this season. That's behind only Collingwood, Carlton, and Richmond.

 

[King Tenz]

Take away the Norwood "home" game, and we average 45,800 at home this season. That's behind only Collingwood, Carlton, and Richmond.

That's pretty good. Imagine if we were actually top 4, premiership contention good.

 

[poshman]

My weekly commitment to finding a positive so none of this affects my mood...

The debutant looks like he has something long term. Not something I thought I would say from a midseason pick.

Jackson continues to show why he could be the most valuable player league wide with his ability to play very well in multiple roles. Hopefully he plays mid/fwd for 90% of his career. He is the key to unlocking very good things.

Shoota getting form back.

Our socials team is still a league leader (with collingwood) despite the annoyance of anything and all things politics they are so good I can mostly overlook it.

My garden is getting spring ready and the roses will fall over the arbour and the layers of flowers this spring will be stunning. There is something rewarding about building and rebuilding, following a process that isn't automatically seen but that bears amazing fruit over time. I would share photos but I don't want to bore you beyond this paragraph haha

 

[Dockeroo]

Corey Wagner is a genuine option long term for us.
He’s a modern style AFL player. Can move and run with the ball, takes play on, has decent enough disposal. His style suits the modern game and he’d fit in perfectly on the list of someone like colingwood

 

[clivenator26]

Tried to think of 5 positives for this season and got stuck at 4.

1. Amiss, a reason to watch games, have not had this sort of excitement around a player since 2011 Fyfe.
2. Jackson - yes the price we paid is high but I love what he does
3. Liam Henry - this will turn into a negative when he leaves but at least we recoup a little bit more due to his super run of form. Clean, can run & carry, has won some hardballs too of late.
4. Serong, shouldered the midfield load, fronts up every week and has taken his game to another level.

For 5 I was thinking Johnson/Erasmus but to be honest they have only had patches and I am not 100% sold on either becoming a star. Hayden Young

26

Hayden Young

Age

24

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

& Brennan Cox

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Brennan Cox

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

's early season form was promising, Luke Ryan has been pretty good but I feel like he is too predictable and not defensively minded enough often enough.

Actually lets go Sonny Walters at 5, I had him marked as done a couple of years ago but he has been fantastic, obviously isn't at his prime but has got us in games, kept us in games and help win games for us.

So to summarise a guy averaging 7 touches a game, a guy who cost us 2 x 1st round picks and a 2nd rd pick, a guy likely to leave after sticking fat with him for 4 years, Serong and a guy who is 32 and past his best haha.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Tried to think of 5 positives for this season and got stuck at 4.

1. Amiss, a reason to watch games, have not had this sort of excitement around a player since 2011 Fyfe.
2. Jackson - yes the price we paid is high but I love what he does
3. Liam Henry - this will turn into a negative when he leaves but at least we recoup a little bit more due to his super run of form. Clean, can run & carry, has won some hardballs too of late.
4. Serong, shouldered the midfield load, fronts up every week and has taken his game to another level.

For 5 I was thinking Johnson/Erasmus but to be honest they have only had patches and I am not 100% sold on either becoming a star. Hayden Young & Brennan Cox's early season form was promising, Luke Ryan has been pretty good but I feel like he is too predictable and not defensively minded enough often enough.

Actually lets go Sonny Walters at 5, I had him marked as done a couple of years ago but he has been fantastic, obviously isn't at his prime but has got us in games, kept us in games and help win games for us.

So to summarise a guy averaging 7 touches a game, a guy who cost us 2 x 1st round picks and a 2nd rd pick, a guy likely to leave after sticking fat with him for 4 years, Serong and a guy who is 32 and past his best haha.

Hopefully by the end of the season #5 is Ethan Stanley.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

If this doesn't light your dial, nothing will.

Remember too this young bloke did his ACL less than ten days ago and got robbed of the chance for an AFL debut after being in the emergencies the weeks before. You'd never know it from how happy and joyous he is, so good to have players with this youthful vim and vigour at our club. If we could just get selection committee to select them...

 

[greatgatsby]

Tried to think of 5 positives for this season and got stuck at 4.

1. Amiss, a reason to watch games, have not had this sort of excitement around a player since 2011 Fyfe.
2. Jackson - yes the price we paid is high but I love what he does
3. Liam Henry - this will turn into a negative when he leaves but at least we recoup a little bit more due to his super run of form. Clean, can run & carry, has won some hardballs too of late.
4. Serong, shouldered the midfield load, fronts up every week and has taken his game to another level.

For 5 I was thinking Johnson/Erasmus but to be honest they have only had patches and I am not 100% sold on either becoming a star. Hayden Young & Brennan Cox's early season form was promising, Luke Ryan has been pretty good but I feel like he is too predictable and not defensively minded enough often enough.

Actually lets go Sonny Walters at 5, I had him marked as done a couple of years ago but he has been fantastic, obviously isn't at his prime but has got us in games, kept us in games and help win games for us.

So to summarise a guy averaging 7 touches a game, a guy who cost us 2 x 1st round picks and a 2nd rd pick, a guy likely to leave after sticking fat with him for 4 years, Serong and a guy who is 32 and past his best haha.

Swap Stanley for Henry and you have a nice 4.

 

[CapitalA]

If this doesn't light your dial, nothing will.

Remember too this young bloke did his ACL less than ten days ago and got robbed of the chance for an AFL debut after being in the emergencies the weeks before. You'd never know it from how happy and joyous he is, so good to have players with this youthful vim and vigour at our club. If we could just get selection committee to select them...

The interview was before he did his ACL [emoji853]

 

[Ysaye]

So everyone is happy and having a great weekend because we won right?

 

[masai tu]

So everyone is happy and having a great weekend because we won right?

That’s a yes and no answer.

Yes to a win, no to the continued knifing of Hughes.

 

[StingBitten]

So everyone is happy and having a great weekend because we won right?

This is going to sound controversial but I wanted an outright Ashes win more than winning against the Cats.

I'll take the conselation prize though!

 

[Scham]

Something to look forward to next year:

B. Ryan Pearce Wagner
HB. Clark Cox Chapman
C. O'Driscoll Serong Johnson
HF. Switta Jackson Schultz
F. Treacy Amiss Fredrick

R. Darcy Brayshaw Young

Int. Henry, Erasmus, Walters, Aish

Sub. Fyfe

Emerg: Worner, Stanley, Sturt

 

[Purple Jesus]

Not sure why people are so pessimistic!





In the bag.

 

[ignoramus]

Not sure why people are so pessimistic!

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In the bag.

Way I see it, you're the pessimistic one:

 

[Daddoo]

I’m gonna park this pic from Useless AFL stats here. If this ain’t positive, I don’t know what is.

 

[Madas]

I’m gonna park this pic from Useless AFL stats here. If this ain’t positive, I don’t know what is.

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The only least experienced team in that 25 to win ?!
How bizarre

 

[Dockeroo]

I’m gonna park this pic from Useless AFL stats here. If this ain’t positive, I don’t know what is.

It would be nice to have a few entries on the left hand side of that ledger in a few years time.
It’s only a positive now if we can become an experienced club in terms of the team we are putting on the park each week, over the next 3 years or so, which so far we have been unable to do over the last 6 or 7 years.

We will need about twelve 100 - 200 game players in our 22 to make a prelim or GF I reckon.
Keeping the likes of Darcy or Cox around is key to that and maybe also adding some 26 year old 100 game free agents that are 8 years into their careers or mature trades if a big fish leaves instead of more kids via draft.
Eg lose Darcy - bring in Naughton
Lose Cox - bring in Sam Taylor.

Those type of trades. Unfortunately Vic clubs see us as a feeder club over the last decade since 2015 or 16 and the number of players that have left on that period back that up.

 

[Joao]

I'm writing this before we forget how to play again and don't win from here because I think this is true either way.

If we swapped lists with literally any other "young" team then I'd be terrified of what they could do in the next 10 years with that list. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be optimistic about our chances, just that I'd be expecting a lot of resistance from them. Regardless of how disappointing we've been, there are enough data points from the last two years that should make you very optimistic for the 2020s, brilliantly highlighted by Daddoo above.

 

[Dockeroo]

I'm writing this before we forget how to play again and don't win from here because I think this is true either way.

If we swapped lists with literally any other "young" team then I'd be terrified of what they could do in the next 10 years with that list. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be optimistic about our chances, just that I'd be expecting a lot of resistance from them. Regardless of how disappointing we've been, there are enough data points from the last two years that should make you very optimistic for the 2020s, brilliantly highlighted by Daddoo above.

I would mostly agree from a talent perspective. I think the raw tools are mostly on the list but we do need a couple more top end talents in attack.
However that’s only the starting point to a premiership side.
We don’t know anything yet about how this side holds up under the immense pressure a high stakes prelim final brings.
Some players will elevate and thrive in that big stage and others will wilt. We won’t know who until we get there.

The organic growth we all hope for has to be maintained and that comes down to coaching and culture.

We need to drive higher standards than all our competitors over the next 7-8 years.

We need the right game plan (still a massive jury is out feeling for me on that aspect)

And we need luck. Plenty of it.

I feel like from 2012-15 we had everything else I’ve listed above apart from enough talent. We were a tiny bit short of Hawthorn the dominant side of that era and it showed in the end.
Now we have more raw talent, but they have proven very little yet.

 

[Paracleet]

I’m gonna park this pic from Useless AFL stats here. If this ain’t positive, I don’t know what is.

Some additional context (I have two weeks off but can't leave excel alone apparently). Taking the data from AFL tables for wins with largest experience differential (AFL Tables - Team Stats Differences) you can see our win on the weekend has created a bit of an outlier in that stat (far left).

Our win at the Cattery last year is in 7th place on that list.

 

[Joao]

I would mostly agree from a talent perspective. I think the raw tools are mostly on the list but we do need a couple more top end talents in attack.
However that’s only the starting point to a premiership side.
We don’t know anything yet about how this side holds up under the immense pressure a high stakes prelim final brings.
Some players will elevate and thrive in that big stage and others will wilt. We won’t know who until we get there.

The organic growth we all hope for has to be maintained and that comes down to coaching and culture.

We need to drive higher standards than all our competitors over the next 7-8 years.

We need the right game plan (still a massive jury is out feeling for me on that aspect)

And we need luck. Plenty of it.

I feel like from 2012-15 we had everything else I’ve listed above apart from enough talent. We were a tiny bit short of Hawthorn the dominant side of that era and it showed in the end.
Now we have more raw talent, but they have proven very little yet.

This is the positivity thread.

 

[Dockeroo]

This is the positivity thread.

Haha sorry that fair enough.

On positives - I’m getting quite bullish about Corey Wagner as the weeks pass. Really liking what this guy is doing in the last month. He’s the perfect player for the modern AFL style of attacking play.