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List Mgmt. The Post Nankervis Era - Richmond Ruck Situation

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As Toby Nankervis enters his age 32 season, it may be important to start a discussion on preparing for life after our captain. Ideally, in the next offseason we are able to target another talented ruck, whether that be through the draft (midseason, national or rookie), trade, or from within.

If Toby Nankveris goes down during the year we're in a lot of trouble. Any team would be losing their captain, but our ruck stocks are thin. Sims has shown flashes but again I don't necessarily see him ever being a full time ruck at his height. OHB had one big game in the VFL against a 194cm key forward who had to full time ruck, tricking the casual Richmond fan into believing he may be the future.
Some may still believe in Samson, the club still does, I don't.

In terms of draft options, I'm sure there'll be some state league players who's early season form next year may push them into midseason draft discussions. I feel like this thread may be a good place to follow some of them as they emerge.

12 months out from the national draft there are a few ruck prospects, potentially at the pointy end of the draft. Van Huttum is the obvious one, I don't know much about him yet but he's 202cm, athletic, and mentioned by draft watchers as the most likely at this stage. Houndsome is maybe more key forward, at 199cm, he was dominant in the HS Shield. van Rooyen and Herbert are other names I know nothing about, but tigs2010 has mentioned.

A common argument against to the idea of drafting CDT was that talented rucks are readily available, often for cheap. I wanted to have a look at some of the options this far out, but I assume if we're putting work into any of them, it will have started.

Alex Dodson is the obvious one, but I still think Adelaide is probably primed to grab him, followed by Port.
Nicholas Madden is another but you’d assume he gets a fair run at it this year for GWS. Academy player too.
Taylor Goad is highly rated by North fans, and with the 5 on the bench I could see North playing him with Xerri. But if not, he is a nice option.
Ned Reeves, tallest player in the comp, I wouldn’t be as keen on this pickup but could be a nice stopgap. Will win hit outs
Max Ramsden
Henry Smith


It'll be interesting to see this discussion develop as we begin to see how the new ruck rules have changed how we view rucks.
 
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OHB has had a Soldo like progression. From playing ammos for Old Ivanoe to knocking on the door of a debut in 2 seasons. Would've played if not for an untimely injury. We'd get by if he had to step up in Nanks absence in 2026 IMO.

I still have a glimmer of hope for Samson. I'm not jumping off just yet but if he has another poor year this year I think thats it for him. His best at VFL is very good. I'm hoping hes just a really late developer like alot of beanpole rucks are.
 

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OHB has had a Soldo like progression. From playing ammos for Old Ivanoe to knocking on the door of a debut in 2 seasons. Would've played if not for an untimely injury. We'd get by if he had to step up in Nanks absence in 2026 IMO.

I still have a glimmer of hope for Samson. I'm not jumping off just yet but if he has another poor year this year I think thats it for him. His best at VFL is very good. I'm hoping hes just a really late developer like alot of beanpole rucks are.
Yep, we'll be looking at this position over the course of 2026, if needs be, then we'll be trading for a ruck.
 
It looks like we reckon/hope nank will keep on for a another year to 3. hopefully OHB and/or Sampson can be a decent B grader.

Sampson has shown everything required, just not all at once. Well, yeah he isn't strong or aggressive. So IMHO Sampson is most likely to be Nank's successor if he can actually play to his potential. Not sure what % chance I give that - but not more than 50%. Likely less, much less. But still a chance.

OHB, no idea. He's developed to be better than VFL. Can he step up to AFL? We'll see.


But if our grand plan is to build a squad that can contend and then trade/FA in a ruck to fill the hole. It would look like what we are doing.
 
I reckon we're odds on to buy a ruck either through FA or trading for one.

Max Knobel could be looked at, he's behind Witts and Moyle, is 206cm and can jump. Henry Smith at the Lions could be another, both will have been in the system for 4 years at the end of next year.
Knobel is a good one, Humphrey's mate from gippy so maybe we just get them both
 
Just because Dodson came from SA shouldn't mean we'd be out of the running to get him if we targeted him.
As a contending team, Adelaide will have a pretty full cap compared to us and Reilly O'Brien is younger than Nank, so should still have a bit more time left in him.
The question is if our list management team rate him enough to go and target him but given StKilda's recent recruitment of TDK, I can't see why he'd want to stick around there and should be one of the easier targets to dislodge.
 
I reckon we're odds on to buy a ruck either through FA or trading for one.

Max Knobel could be looked at, he's behind Witts and Moyle, is 206cm and can jump. Henry Smith at the Lions could be another, both will have been in the system for 4 years at the end of next year.
Yep.
Hopefully we can grab Dodson but if we can't then Knobel would be my backup plan.
 
I think it's fair to say this is not a problem we're trying to solve via the draft. Options beyond Nank:
OHB - project player. Looks to have overtaken Samson Ryan. Possible #1 ruck, but a lot to learn yet.
Samson Ryan - looks to be a bust. 2 games in 2025, likely to be delisted at the end of 2026.
Tom Sims - forward / ruck. Looks too good as a forward to be anything other than a 2nd ruck.
Noah Balta / Josh Smillie - I expect these guys to be used as a "special play" for a few centre bounces each game.

We obviously don't have the tall (200cm+) mobile leaping ruck on our list yet and they will cost a fortune at the trade table for the next few years. My guess is that we might try and snag a free agent with that profile for big dollars when we're in the window.

More realistically - we may move further away from the idea of a specialist ruckman covering the whole ground. With the ruck nomination rule ending it might very well be that the #1 ruck does NOT attend the first few ball ups in F50 or D50 and instead hands off to another tall player when the ball is in that part of the ground.
 
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I watched alot of VFL games in the middle and second half of the season and OHB has made alot more progress than people think.

If he continues the same trend i reckon he will be pretty much afl level competative (but not dominant) by mid season.

If not, obviously we need a Knobel or Moyle are FA so we should be targeting them.

I hold out no hope for Sampson.

Looking at our age profile we probably should be targeting a 18 -19yo ruck in next year's draft to develop too.
 
I think it's fair to say this not a problem we're trying to solve via the draft. Options beyond Nank:
OHB - project player. Looks to have overtaken Samson Ryan. Possible #1 ruck, but a lot to learn yet.
Samson Ryan - looks to be a bust. 2 games in 2025, likely to be delisted at the end of 2026.
Tom Sims - forward / ruck. Looks to good as a forward to be anything other than a 2nd ruck.
Noah Balta / Josh Smillie - I expect these guys to be used as a "special play" for a few centre bounces each game.

We obviously don't have the tall (200cm+) mobile leaping ruck on our list yet and they will cost a fortune at the trade table for the next few years. My guess is that we might try and snag a free agent with that profile for big dollars when we're in the window.

More realistically - we may move further away from the idea of a specialist ruckman covering the whole ground. With the ruck nomination rule ending it might very well be that the #1 ruck does NOT attend the first few ball ups in F50 or D50 and instead hands off to another tall player when the ball is in that part of the ground.
Until we see how the new ruck rule works it is hard to know what we need. You seem to have suggested this in your last paragraph. Some of the options could be that Balta could do the CBA then go back. We have the height in our defence to enable that. Or Lefau or Simms could do the CBA then go forward. All these players are big enough and have the jump to make a contest and would be useful once the ball hits the ground. Nank could still do the around the ground ruckwork. I cannot see a ruckman rotating of the bench just for a CBA like the experts seem to be suggesting with the extra spot now available on the bench. It will be interesting to see how Richmond adapts.
 

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Richmond needs to do nothing more than see how the new ruck rules pan out, to know what type of ruck will be best suited. What we need to do is let potential ruck pickups know of our interest.
 
I watched alot of VFL games in the middle and second half of the season and OHB has made alot more progress than people think.

If he continues the same trend i reckon he will be pretty much afl level competative (but not dominant) by mid season.

If not, obviously we need a Knobel or Moyle are FA so we should be targeting them.

I hold out no hope for Sampson.

Looking at our age profile we probably should be targeting a 18 -19yo ruck in next year's draft to develop too.
Agree with Knobel / Moyle
1 of these men will be extracted from the suns and i think Knobel is the most likely with Moyle taking over the #1 Ruck position 2027.

Max Knobel is the perfect type for Richmond if he develops to become a AFL quality Ruckman but is only 21 and will be 23 by the time he plays a game for Richmond in 2027 if we get him. 206cm good mark and mobile Ruck working in tandem with Sims sounds like the way foward with the new rules.
 
Max Knobel - sun of THE Trent Knobel who played 21 games for us, backup behind Simmonds from memory
 
I still have a glimmer of hope for Samson. I'm not jumping off just yet but if he has another poor year this year I think thats it for him. His best at VFL is very good. I'm hoping hes just a really late developer like alot of beanpole rucks are.
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Until we see how the new ruck rule works it is hard to know what we need. You seem to have suggested this in your last paragraph. Some of the options could be that Balta could do the CBA then go back. We have the height in our defence to enable that. Or Lefau or Simms could do the CBA then go forward. All these players are big enough and have the jump to make a contest and would be useful once the ball hits the ground. Nank could still do the around the ground ruckwork. I cannot see a ruckman rotating of the bench just for a CBA like the experts seem to be suggesting with the extra spot now available on the bench. It will be interesting to see how Richmond adapts.
Spot on. I've assumed the change to the ruck rules rewards athletic players who can run and leap (e.g. TDK, Luke Jackson) vs "stand and deliver" rucks who rely on strength (e.g. Lloyd Meek, Nankervis).
 

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Tigers have played the ruck situation perfectly. It's the last part of the puzzle we should be completing at the tail end of the rebuild, which is what we will do. There's no point throwing valuable draft picks at a ruck when there are at least half a dozen quality ones playing second fiddle who we can easily secure via trade or FA. Since Ottens in 2011, the only 'elite' ruck to win a flag was Gawn in 2021....a B-grade or even C-grade ruck is fine.
 
Tigers have played the ruck situation perfectly. It's the last part of the puzzle we should be completing at the tail end of the rebuild, which is what we will do. There's no point throwing valuable draft picks at a ruck when there are at least half a dozen quality ones playing second fiddle who we can easily secure via trade or FA. Since Ottens in 2011, the only 'elite' ruck to win a flag was Gawn in 2021....a B-grade or even C-grade ruck is fine.
Correct

There would be atleast 5-6 decent Rucks that have been developing by other clubs for 3-5 years that will be ready to play in 12-24 months which will be a luxury for their clubs to try to hold onto.
Dodson , Keeler , Knobel , Madden , Goad , Smith
 
Tigers have played the ruck situation perfectly. It's the last part of the puzzle we should be completing at the tail end of the rebuild, which is what we will do. There's no point throwing valuable draft picks at a ruck when there are at least half a dozen quality ones playing second fiddle who we can easily secure via trade or FA. Since Ottens in 2011, the only 'elite' ruck to win a flag was Gawn in 2021....a B-grade or even C-grade ruck is fine.
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It looks like we reckon/hope nank will keep on for a another year to 3. hopefully OHB and/or Sampson can be a decent B grader.

Sampson has shown everything required, just not all at once. Well, yeah he isn't strong or aggressive. So IMHO Sampson is most likely to be Nank's successor if he can actually play to his potential. Not sure what % chance I give that - but not more than 50%. Likely less, much less. But still a chance.

OHB, no idea. He's developed to be better than VFL. Can he step up to AFL? We'll see.


But if our grand plan is to build a squad that can contend and then trade/FA in a ruck to fill the hole. It would look like what we are doing.

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