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Cotchin hasn't been pinged all year they won't start now.
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There's no way the AFL will suspend Cotchin...he should be but they wont
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Andonis1997
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They're my home city's team, 50% of my family go for them, and they're not Richmond.
And I'm a gold member.
How could you possibly want Richmond to win? I was taught at a young age that Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon were our rivals and had that hatred instilled into me.
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Fair enough, Gold Member
But seriously, each to their own, I should have said. Hope it's a great match
Fair enough, Gold Member
But seriously, each to their own, I should have said. Hope it's a great match
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I'm not holding out much hope for the bolded. What a terrible finals series it's been in general..
Fair enough, Gold Member
But seriously, each to their own, I should have said. Hope it's a great match
8 games decided by an average of 47 points.
One game decided by less than 6 goals (2 points in extra time).
3 games decided by less than 50 points.
3 games decided by 10+ goals.
Geelong v Richmond was close up to 3/4 time.
Port v WC obviously went down to the wire, but WC controlled the first half reasonably well, so it was only really the second half and extra time that was exciting.
Richmond v GWS was good for a half, then pretty much one way traffic.
Three games with a total of 7 exciting quarters. That leaves 5 unwatchable blowouts and 25 quarters of one-sided footy.
Not even sure if I'm going to watch the GF this year. Normally I have plans to go to someone's house, watch the game, have a BBQ and a few drinks. This year, no plans and might just end up doing things around the house. It's great that it's not just Hawks, Cats and Swans dominating, but meh, what a finals series.
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Richmond's performance here makes me wonder if we are really that far away...
Also i am not convinced GWS will ever reach there potential, at the moment are carrying far too many mature players on big $ who are not performing. Stevie J retires, but Heath Shaw looks finished as an AFL player, Mumford no longer has the influence he used to, Griffen, Deledio both cant get on the park and when they do are a long way from there former selves.
It all just makes me think anything is possible with the right coach & a playing group that completely buys in... What odds were Richmond at the start of the year to win the flag?? Prob similar to the Dogs the year before, and similar to what we will start next year...
Also i am not convinced GWS will ever reach there potential, at the moment are carrying far too many mature players on big $ who are not performing. Stevie J retires, but Heath Shaw looks finished as an AFL player, Mumford no longer has the influence he used to, Griffen, Deledio both cant get on the park and when they do are a long way from there former selves.
It all just makes me think anything is possible with the right coach & a playing group that completely buys in... What odds were Richmond at the start of the year to win the flag?? Prob similar to the Dogs the year before, and similar to what we will start next year...
The dilution of the playing talent really has hit this year.
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Fair enough, Gold Member
But seriously, each to their own, I should have said. Hope it's a great match
Hope so too as we got the guaranteed GF tickets. Can't wait to go there with my Carlton scarf
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I remember the 2005-06 years as feeling similar, really; only two teams could have made it, and both were kind of shit, WC and Sydney. WC had a stellar midfield, two oldfashioned stoppers playing KPB and David Wirrapunda, where Sydney had twenty one triers and Adam Goodes. WC would play one quarter in a match and kick 16 goals, where Sydney had to let their opponent get the lead before they'd pull their finger out.
People in the media back then called their grand finals an armwrestle, when in fact both were something of a snorefest.
Coming back to what you've said, it could very well be the talent drain of 18 sides finally catching up with the AFL, but it could also be swings and roundabouts in terms of the style of footy played, and the period between eras. No-one's exceptional, no-one's forging a new coaching philosophy or creating an innovative gameplan; all there is, is a bunch of people doing their best and working with what they've got. Until someone with an idea comes along, there won't be any real change in the landscape.
Hell, it could even be the AFL's socialism finally catching up properly. If everyone's shit, then anyone can win a flag.
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Thanks for the cheery pick-me-up. Needed that.
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I don't understand the article or the point Williams is trying to put across?
Shiel feels cheated by the system? The AFL have a system? The AFL have a lottery, Prelim final and the media were split as to what would or should happen to Cotchin. The AFL have their favourites and as Wayne Carey said on one of those shows, he knew whether he would be suspended or not, on the basis of what sort of season he was having.
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Williams last quoted phrase is spot on " you've got to have both hands down to go for the ball..." no doubt Cotchin prepared hiss body and went in hard at Shiel - did he mean to hit the bloke in the head with his braced shoulder? Shouldn't matter...because he he did...clearly tuggers under instruction to go for Dylan at every opportunity0-- finals football etc and the tuggers played it the way the needed to in order to take out GWS best. terrible match day umpiring and an ( expected) whitewash from MRP.
Another example of mongrel being the deciding factor and difference in a game.
Interestingly, both the Sloane & Cotchin incidents were clearly high, yet no free kick for either.
Stupid umpires.
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Yep.
See, while I think Cotchin should have been suspended, I also think he just wanted the ball more, and read the situation correctly; Shiel was going to get the ball first, so Cotchin made hard contact to make him drop the ball, and to make him think about putting his head over it again. This, to my mind, is what mongrel is; putting the ball over all else, going in there and making it yours, and stuff the consequences, not the bitchy little jumper punches he threw earlier in the year.
It's something that Mitch Robinson would have done, the reckless drive to get the ball, which is something I wouldn't have thought I'd be saying about Cotchin.
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Problem with this is that the AFL have made the head sacrosanct, so although Cotchin's intention may have been as you have suggested, according to the AFL rules, once Cotchin made contact with Shiel's head, he was in breach of these rules.
As we have seen over & over again with MRP decisions, it is not just the intent which is relevant, but the outcome.
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Exactly.
It's why I pointed out that it's very much something that Robbo would have done, in that the ball was his mindset; he didn't much care whether or not he hurt someone in the process. Mitch Robinson, though, is not an AFL captain and hasn't had that opportunity to get absolved of a suspendable offense, and would have been smashed for it.
It's part of why Cotchin has gone to the next level this season, but it is only tangential to whether or not he should've been suspended.
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At the very least, it was reckless, high contact and medium impact (not sure how they grade concussions? Medium or high?).
Add to that he was on two fines. Easily a classifiable offence, whether a suspension or a fine. MRP should have dished out a penalty and then let Richmond decide if they want to fight it.
Add to that he was on two fines. Easily a classifiable offence, whether a suspension or a fine. MRP should have dished out a penalty and then let Richmond decide if they want to fight it.
Somebody mentioned Carey on Talking Footy discussing the topic of suspensions at critical moments in his career, and how he felt he could get away with certain things depending on the form both he and NM were in.
I remember that media fellow, Sam McClure I think, insisting that that wasn't the case, like the good company man that he is.
I remember that media fellow, Sam McClure I think, insisting that that wasn't the case, like the good company man that he is.
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