The pressure on the WA government to relax it's rigid border rules

Do you agree with the rigid border rules or do you agree there is room for flexibility?

  • Yes border rules are keeping WA safe

    Votes: 44 53.7%
  • No there needs to be flexibility

    Votes: 38 46.3%

  • Total voters
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I'm saying "we" can have that discussion re: Australia, its just you that cannot.

And as for Singapore, it's an issue for them. How colonial is it for you to lecture a people on what form of govt they should be having to make you happy
Isnt it a dictatorship?

Doesnt that by definition mean they dont have a choice?
 

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Manageable case numbers, the worlds lowest per capita death toll, hospitalizations relatively low, triple vaxxed rate at 70 odd percent, and double vaxxed at over 90 percent, and also a lazy 8 Billion dollar surplus, while literally everywhere else in the world is posting massive deficits:

With Western Australia emerging as an important battleground in the federal election, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has defended now-entrenched GST reform which will this year see an extra $4.4 billion added to the state's already overflowing coffers.

The cash boost, owed to a deal struck with WA by then-treasurer Scott Morrison in 2018, is still drawing the ire of other states and territories, aggrieved that money will flow west despite one estimate putting the state's surplus at nearly $8 billion.

Without the deal, it is estimated WA would have received about $1.27 billion in the coming financial year – $4.4 billion less than what it is now expected to get.

No going back on GST deal set to deliver an extra $4.4 billion to WA's bulging coffers

McGowan absolutely knocked this out of the park.
 

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State of emergency extended seemingly forever, hospital system struggling with COVID rules. Call an ambulance and it might turn up, and if you are lucky you might get trained paramedics taking you to the ramp.
 

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State of emergency extended seemingly forever

And it resulted in business as usual for most of the State (in defiance of National and Global trends) the mines staying open and a budget surplus of 8 billion (in defiance of National and Global trends), and the lowest COVID death toll in the developed world.

So aside from keeping life as usual (barring border closures) in contrast with other States, making the State tons of money and managing the budget (in contrast with other States), and the best health outcomes of any State, what has he done for us exactly?

Compare WA to Victoria. And I say this as an Ex-pat Victorian, but we utterly smashed it compared to the Vics.

To date, it couldnt have been managed any better.
 

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Anyone noticing an extraordinary amount of WA advertising around Melbourne? I’ve seen it on buses, billboards, radio & Facebook over the last few days.
 

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Anyone noticing an extraordinary amount of WA advertising around Melbourne? I’ve seen it on buses, billboards, radio & Facebook over the last few days.
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Where is Mark's gold standard now? Surely watching the east coast try hotel quarantine for 2 years should have given some indication that this was going to be a dubious plan... at best.

But yeah... WA is totally awesome at managing COVID...

'They weren't ready': What homeless Karen's hotel isolation says about WA's 'disorganised' remote COVID response

The audio version of this article, which aired on ABC News radio yesterday, also highlighted that those who were being put into hotels were ignoring directives to stay inside, which has led to some hotels cancelling government bookings. Some people are heading back to the rough sleeping areas and mingling with those who aren't infected.
 

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Where is Mark's gold standard now? Surely watching the east coast try hotel quarantine for 2 years should have given some indication that this was going to be a dubious plan... at best.

But yeah... WA is totally awesome at managing COVID...

'They weren't ready': What homeless Karen's hotel isolation says about WA's 'disorganised' remote COVID response

The audio version of this article, which aired on ABC News radio yesterday, also highlighted that those who were being put into hotels were ignoring directives to stay inside, which has led to some hotels cancelling government bookings. Some people are heading back to the rough sleeping areas and mingling with those who aren't infected.

WA version of Ambulances couldnt do worse than Vics, its chronic here. So common its not newsworthy.
Cant unload at hospitals, trained staff shortages, not going away anytime soon.
 

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And it resulted in business as usual for most of the State (in defiance of National and Global trends) the mines staying open and a budget surplus of 8 billion (in defiance of National and Global trends), and the lowest COVID death toll in the developed world.

So aside from keeping life as usual (barring border closures) in contrast with other States, making the State tons of money and managing the budget (in contrast with other States), and the best health outcomes of any State, what has he done for us exactly?

Compare WA to Victoria. And I say this as an Ex-pat Victorian, but we utterly smashed it compared to the Vics.

To date, it couldnt have been managed any better.

Interesting piece on Rio:
rio-tinto-extends-poor-iron-ore-run-as-pilbara-shipments-fall/news-story/9682ef2875adb60598f5780c71589125

'Rio said its operations have also been affected by the opening of WA’s hard border to interstate visitors, with the ongoing impacts of coronavirus cases likely to impact output in the current quarter also.

.. the company warned its guidance remains subject to weather and market conditions, saying tight labour markets and global supply chain issues remained a significant risk in the months ahead.

“Our guidance assumes development of the pandemic does not lead to government-imposed restrictions and widespread protracted cases related to new highly contagious variants with high severity, which could result in a significant number of our production critical workforce and contractor base being unable to work due to illness and/or isolation requirement,” the company said.'
 

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Cruise boats at it again:

WA Health has confirmed it is managing an undisclosed number of positive cases aboard the Coral Discoverer, docked at Broome in the state’s northwest.

Infected passengers and close contacts are isolating and all passengers and crew are being tested.

The Coral Discoverer, which departed from Darwin earlier this month, has a capacity of 72 passengers.

“Maritime vessels are permitted to allow positive cases to disembark and move to suitable accommodation to complete their isolation/quarantine requirements,” a WA Health spokeswoman said.

“All precautions will be taken to ensure the Broome community is protected.”
 

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Cruise boats at it again:

WA Health has confirmed it is managing an undisclosed number of positive cases aboard the Coral Discoverer, docked at Broome in the state’s northwest.

Infected passengers and close contacts are isolating and all passengers and crew are being tested.

The Coral Discoverer, which departed from Darwin earlier this month, has a capacity of 72 passengers.

“Maritime vessels are permitted to allow positive cases to disembark and move to suitable accommodation to complete their isolation/quarantine requirements,” a WA Health spokeswoman said.

“All precautions will be taken to ensure the Broome community is protected.”

Didn’t realise this was even still a thing..
 

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Cruise boats at it again:

WA Health has confirmed it is managing an undisclosed number of positive cases aboard the Coral Discoverer, docked at Broome in the state’s northwest.

Infected passengers and close contacts are isolating and all passengers and crew are being tested.

The Coral Discoverer, which departed from Darwin earlier this month, has a capacity of 72 passengers.

“Maritime vessels are permitted to allow positive cases to disembark and move to suitable accommodation to complete their isolation/quarantine requirements,” a WA Health spokeswoman said.

“All precautions will be taken to ensure the Broome community is protected.”
Those Kimberley cruises are darned expensive. Imagine being removed from the ship and spending the rest of your holiday of a lifetime within four walls on land. What happens to the ship and the rest of the crew and passengers, do they have to stay put in semi-isolation?
 

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WA - Population 2.6 million. Over 95 percent double vaccinated, over 80 percent triple vaccinated. 125 deaths from 350,000 COVID infections over 2 years, despite only a few weeks of lockdown in that period, and 12 weeks of mask mandates. Aside from the border closures, it was business as normal for 99 percent of businesses (tourism and aviation being hard hit).

Victoria, with just over double the population has had 1.5 million cases, for 2,900 deaths in that same time period, with lockdowns spanning several months, and mask mandates lasting even longer. NSW, similar population to Victoria, 2,700 deaths from 2.2 million infections. Literally months long lockdowns and mask mandates. Businesses ruined in each State.

Victoria and NSW: Budget deficit, 20 Billion, each.

WA: Budget surplus: 8 Billion.

Can we put this debate to bed now? We've literally been the Gold standard by which all other legal jurisdictions measure their response by.

And not just in Australia, but Globally.

Also, if you're not already voting for McGowan in the State elections (which going by the recent State election is unlikely, because pretty much everyone did) do so at the next one. He's the best Premier in Australia by a country mile, and it's a damn shame he isnt running in a Federal election.
 

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WA - Population 2.6 million. Over 95 percent double vaccinated, over 80 percent triple vaccinated. 125 deaths from 350,000 COVID infections over 2 years, despite only a few weeks of lockdown in that period, and 12 weeks of mask mandates. Aside from the border closures, it was business as normal for 99 percent of businesses (tourism and aviation being hard hit).

Victoria, with just over double the population has had 1.5 million cases, for 2,900 deaths in that same time period, with lockdowns spanning several months, and mask mandates lasting even longer. NSW, similar population to Victoria, 2,700 deaths from 2.2 million infections. Literally months long lockdowns and mask mandates. Businesses ruined in each State.

Victoria and NSW: Budget deficit, 20 Billion, each.

WA: Budget surplus: 8 Billion.

Can we put this debate to bed now? We've literally been the Gold standard by which all other legal jurisdictions measure their response by.

And not just in Australia, but Globally.

Also, if you're not already voting for McGowan in the State elections (which going by the recent State election is unlikely, because pretty much everyone did) do so at the next one. He's the best Premier in Australia by a country mile, and it's a damn shame he isnt running in a Federal election.

Fair enough, it's not a debate anymore, it never really was. My op was just pointing out McGowan's whinge about $ for tourism into WA when he wanted to keep the border shut. A contradiction that can't be disputed.

IMO in the depths of covid I still think that the WA govt. could've been more flexible and less disruptive. There really hasn't been much nuance, just basically a one size fits all and tough sh*t if it disrupts you and your family.

That's what the gripe is all about.
 

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Fair enough, it's not a debate anymore, it never really was. My op was just pointing out McGowan's whinge about $ for tourism into WA when he wanted to keep the border shut. A contradiction that can't be disputed.

IMO in the depths of covid I still think that the WA govt. could've been more flexible and less disruptive. There really hasn't been much nuance, just basically a one size fits all and tough sh*t if it disrupts you and your family.

That's what the gripe is all about.
We could have had more covid too.
 

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We could have had more covid too.
No argument there and really that is not the point. Could've managed it and still had more freedom, in any case my op stands.

McGowan whinged about tourist $ at the same time wanting to keep the border shut. Contradiction, not up for debate.
 

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No argument there and really that is not the point. Could've managed it and still had more freedom, in any case my op stands.

McGowan whinged about tourist $ at the same time wanting to keep the border shut. Contradiction, not up for debate.
With wa obviously being a special case as the engine room of the country while nsw and vic kept getting outbreaks


Its not unreasonable that INTRAstate flights be subsidised in wa’s case.
 

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With wa obviously being a special case as the engine room of the country while nsw and vic kept getting outbreaks


Its not unreasonable that INTRAstate flights be subsidised in wa’s case.

Intrastate flights wasn't what McGoin nowhere was whingeing about.
 

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Fair enough, it's not a debate anymore, it never really was. My op was just pointing out McGowan's whinge about $ for tourism into WA when he wanted to keep the border shut. A contradiction that can't be disputed.

IMO in the depths of covid I still think that the WA govt. could've been more flexible and less disruptive. There really hasn't been much nuance, just basically a one size fits all and tough sh*t if it disrupts you and your family.

That's what the gripe is all about.

As a bloke dealing with family on the East Coast, and GF in Switzerland I can relate. I literally had to watch my father die on Facetime in a Tassie hospital, and missed his funeral as well, while dealing with a long distance relationship evaporating due to 2 years apart.

But it was the right move from a collective perspective.

That's why these anti-vaxx cookers draw my ire. They're a bunch of selfish *******s that cant see the bigger picture.