The pressure on the WA government to relax it's rigid border rules

[Forward Press]

You wonder why is folk in the east are bucking at WA not opening. It's because people can't go and see their dying family members one direction or the other, all because your CHO lies about our restrictions, there are folk like you saying "sh*t show" and others suggesting an entire industry will shut down with cases, despite the fact that there is zero evidence that this hasn't happened in the east.

In the end, the Premier and his government and his bureaucrats are accountable to the people of WA, not those in the eastern states. Popular sentiment since last week's announcement seems to still be on the Premier's side, believe it or not. The vocal minority on social media are not representative of broader sentiment (we will know for sure when the next round of polls come about, but online polls have it at about 75% support of a delay to the border reopening).

Make of it what you will.

Interesting time for Mark and the AG. Ordered to attend the Federal Court in Sydney in person as a part of the Palmer defamation suits.

I assume they isolate for 14 days properly, and not do the usual celebrity thing of pretending the rules apply to them.

He has not seen his parents in NSW since the beginning of the pandemic, I have no doubt he will not give himself an exemption.

 

[Crankyhawk]

not sure how palmer can argue he has been defamed
don't you need to have a positive reputation first for damage to occur to it
and palmer has in his party the alleged terrorist Craig Kelly who actively undermines public health orders via anti vax agenda
this is frivolous bs case which the lawyers are probably using to extract money out of palmer.

 

[kranky al]

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The powerful iron ore miners in McGowan’s corner​

Billionaires Gina Rinehart and Chris Ellison strongly pushed for WA’s continued isolation, while BHP and Rio Tinto are also believed to have been supportive.​

Jennifer HewettJan 25, 2022 – 5.00am
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Columnist
Mark McGowan had an unlikely industry ally when he stunned West Australians as well as the rest of the country last week by unexpectedly announcing he had abandoned February 5 as an opening date for the state.

Most of the major players in the powerful iron ore sector, with the exception of Fortescue Metals Group chief executive Elizabeth Gaines, actually backed keeping the WA border shut to try to ward off omicron.>>>

More: https://www.afr.com/politics/federa...clJN31Sk7STEau3UmNpY0UslwbkoSEdgx1nyEGU0Q29WM

 

[kranky al]

Okay, so you've told me how big yours is. Now explain why you are incapable of continuing to operate mines with your state opened up. Queensland can do it. Are you leas capable than them?

Qld mines have closed down multiple times and qld doesnt have an economy based on mining - if mining closes in qld its maybe 10% - in wa its closer to 70-80%

Its also 70+ % of australias export earnings

 

[kranky al]

Like I said, mining companies will 'adjust' to keep the mine sites going. They'll go to the endth degree to get that crew or another up as quick as possible.

That may mean, getting them to site and isolating until a neg test (pcr testing now available on my site at least), quarantining the area to be worked on - the jaws are replaced, supplied to the area in a non contact way. Then the area is micro cleaned and quarantined off.

They're rather ingenious at working out ways to keep the site going when it seems not possible.

In the meantime youve got a crusher sitting idle, a day later the ball mill is idle


Brasil hasnt got its s**t together even with china just dying to tell us to f/o - covid crippled them - thats why all tge big miners are right behind mcgowan

 

[Carringbush2010]

In the meantime youve got a crusher sitting idle, a day later the ball mill is idle


Brasil hasnt got its sh*t together even with china just dying to tell us to f/o - covid crippled them - thats why all tge big miners are right behind mcgowan

And they won't be when it comes to the crunch, as for your ball mill analogy, like we're seeing around the world and in the eastern states what constitutes a 'restriction' may and probably will be 'eased' or 'changed' to allow.

Mark these words, once Omicron or covid in general hits our mine sites, the companies WILL invent ways to keep the ball mill rolling, the jumbos to keep drilling and the boggers to load the haul trucks. Nothing surer.

 

[FIGJAM]

In the end, the Premier and his government and his bureaucrats are accountable to the people of WA, not those in the eastern states. Popular sentiment since last week's announcement seems to still be on the Premier's side, believe it or not. The vocal minority on social media are not representative of broader sentiment (we will know for sure when the next round of polls come about, but online polls have it at about 75% support of a delay to the border reopening).

Make of it what you will.

Scommo cares about "popular sentiment" and he's an idiot and a marketeer who only cares about "popular sentiment".

Morrison is a toss of a coin to get voted back in as PM. Again, he's an idiot, but his playing of sentiment works! Sentiment doesn't mean s**t!!

McGowan also loves "popular sentiment". They all do obviously to some extent, but your Health Minister is spreading conspiracy-level lies and disinformation to attain the "sentiment".

7 out of the 8 states and territories have eaten a s**t sandwich, but we've hardened up, dealt with it and are on the otherside of a wave that you're still to scared to start. But McGowan's polls are great, so whatevs!

 

[kranky al]

And they won't be when it comes to the crunch, as for your ball mill analogy, like we're seeing around the world and in the eastern states what constitutes a 'restriction' may and probably will be 'eased' or 'changed' to allow.

Mark these words, once Omicron or covid in general hits our mine sites, the companies WILL invent ways to keep the ball mill rolling, the jumbos to keep drilling and the boggers to load the haul trucks. Nothing surer.

Despite the fact that they didnt overseas in places with much much less risk averse oh and s standards

 

[Carringbush2010]

Despite the fact that they didnt overseas in places with much much less risk averse oh and s standards

That does not counter my point, it's later now than when it was when companies 'didn't' - 'definitions' are forever changing >now< to 'allow' society to function.

Mark these words, resource companies WILL do the same.

 

[augie]

Qld mines have closed down multiple times and qld doesnt have an economy based on mining - if mining closes in qld its maybe 10% - in wa its closer to 70-80%

Its also 70+ % of australias export earnings

Please name the multiple mines that have closed. And throw in for good measure how long they closed for. And how it devastated the industry.

As an FYI, resources don't make up anywhere near 80% of the WA economy. It's actually less than 50%.

 

[Carringbush2010]

As an FYI, resources don't make up anywhere near 80% of the WA economy. It's actually less than 50%.

Have you got a source for this information? Like credible information?

 

[HPKS]

I have family there too, am from Launie and am going there in a couple of weeks. I can confirm that is not a "sh*t show"!

You wonder why is folk in the east are bucking at WA not opening. It's because people can't go and see their dying family members one direction or the other, all because your CHO lies about our restrictions, there are folk like you saying "sh*t show" and others suggesting an entire industry will shut down with cases, despite the fact that there is zero evidence that this hasn't happened in the east.

Look I’ve got family in the northern suburds & eastern shore. I can 100% confirm the health system is definitely a s**t show and people are sick to death of the masks & restrictions. Got a few friends that have told me if they see WA open without all the s**t of people off work & it’s safe they’ll leave Tassie pretty much straight away due to the cost of living and putting up with a health system that’s setup like they live in country town. Specialists just don’t want to go there. Anyone who’s truthful about the place should know this. The science does backs up McGowan on what he’s doing. Like I’ve said a number of times I’m one of those with parents in Hobart and I have epa for them which at times have been pretty difficult but I’ve got what I needed to do done. I’ve also got a daughter down there that I haven’t seen since 2018. And like I’ve said he left it to late to tell everyone he wasn’t opening up so the anger is perfectly understandable. But like I’ve said the science backs him up all the time. Most of the people on here pissing n moaning about the boarder not opening up wouldn’t even contemplate coming here at all it’s just a piss poor effort to move their rants from the chairman Dan board to this one. And it’s bloody obvious why the eastern states businesses want WA open, the tourist dollar. If we get to around 80% booster around Easter and it’s been shown scientifically we should be opening with omicron and we don’t open I’ll turn on him but atm you cannot dispute the science.

As for Tassie. People are three times as likely to wait a year than their mainland counterparts for elective surgery. So how do think their health system is handling covid? A s**t show. Here’s the link if you’d like to pay the subscription for the examiner, a lony paper.

Blowouts: the elective surgeries with longest waits in Tasmania

Tasmanians wait far longer than mainlanders for elective surgery, so which procedures are the worst?

www.examiner.com.au

 

[HPKS]

Please name the multiple mines that have closed. And throw in for good measure how long they closed for. And how it devastated the industry.

As an FYI, resources don't make up anywhere near 80% of the WA economy. It's actually less than 50%.

FMD find a source? Anyone who lives here knows mining is the WA economy. That’s a rediculous statement

 

[Carringbush2010]

If we get to around 80% booster around Easter

Yeah that ain't happenin.

 

[HPKS]

The science backs what he’s trying to do

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/24/new-studies-show-that-booster-dose-is-essential-our-policies-should-change-accordingly/

 

[Forward Press]

It depends on how you characterise it (eg do you count the jobs related to providing things like food to miners?) but according to this site mining is worth about 35% of the WA economy.

Western Australia needs to diversify to overcome effects of mining bust: Report

The region can create 165,000 new jobs by 2025, contribute more than $19 billion to its economy if it capitalises on other existing industry strengths...

www.downtoearth.org.in

I highly doubt 80% of the WA economy is dependent on mining - like the rest of Australia and other developed countries, services and tertiary industries are the biggest contributors nowadays. Still, a third of your economy being dependent on stuff you dig up is quite high.

 

[Carringbush2010]

HPKS

Can you identify clear evidence or even slight optimism that we'll be 3rd dosed by easter considering the current number?

 

[HPKS]

It depends on how you characterise it (eg do you count the jobs related to providing things like food to miners?) but according to this site mining is worth about 35% of the WA economy.

Western Australia needs to diversify to overcome effects of mining bust: Report

The region can create 165,000 new jobs by 2025, contribute more than $19 billion to its economy if it capitalises on other existing industry strengths...

www.downtoearth.org.in

I highly doubt 80% of the WA economy is dependent on mining - like the rest of Australia and other developed countries, services and tertiary industries are the biggest contributors nowadays. Still, a third of your economy being dependent on stuff you dig up is quite high.

If mining ceased to exist what do you think the flow on effect would be for the state. Pretty bad imo but I do agree 80% is a bit far fetched. 50% + imo is what you’d lose with a hell of a lot of flow on work. Transport of mining equipment gone, housing affordability gone, apprenticeships lower etc it would be a massive dent. Massive. It’d be like taking the finance sector out of Sydney.

 

[Forward Press]

HPKS

Can you identify clear evidence or even slight optimism that we'll be 3rd dosed by easter considering the current number?

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If you can get at least 100,000 a week (doable, as we had 27,000 just yesterday), you can achieve 80% by Easter (600,000 is roughly 30%, 1.6 million is roughly 80%, there is approximately 10 weeks to Easter) - obviously, as we get closer to 100% the rate slows down, but it's not impossible.

Also, why would you need to bookmark Google Maps?

 

[Forward Press]

If mining ceased to exist what do you think the flow on effect would be for the state. Pretty bad imo but I do agree 80% is a bit far fetched. 50% + imo is what you’d lose with a hell of a lot of flow on work. Transport of mining equipment gone, housing affordability gone, apprenticeships lower etc it would be a massive dent. Massive. It’d be like taking the finance sector out of Sydney.

Yes it would be incredibly devastating. It's fair to say we are mining and resources based and the flow on effect would be calamitous were it to be significantly effected - the economy is built around the flow of money from it. The sector effectively bankrolls WA.

 

[HPKS]

HPKS

Can you identify clear evidence or even slight optimism that we'll be 3rd dosed by easter considering the current number?

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Prediction is 75% by March 2nd as shown by my link a few days ago. Your the same person that said we’d be lucky to get to 80% let alone close to 90% second dose. We would have by Feb 5 as shown by your stats clearly. We’ll get to atleast 80% booster by Easter easily.

 

[ChampRevesby]

It depends on how you characterise it (eg do you count the jobs related to providing things like food to miners?) but according to this site mining is worth about 35% of the WA economy.

Western Australia needs to diversify to overcome effects of mining bust: Report

The region can create 165,000 new jobs by 2025, contribute more than $19 billion to its economy if it capitalises on other existing industry strengths...

www.downtoearth.org.in

I highly doubt 80% of the WA economy is dependent on mining - like the rest of Australia and other developed countries, services and tertiary industries are the biggest contributors nowadays. Still, a third of your economy being dependent on stuff you dig up is quite high.

Revenue and Expenditure: https://www.ourstatebudget.wa.gov.au/2021-22/fact-sheets/moneyinout.pdf
We are basically one great big hole in the ground, and everything that supports that effort

 

[Carringbush2010]

If you can get at least 100,000 a week (doable, as we had 27,000 just yesterday), you can achieve 80% by Easter (600,000 is roughly 30%, 1.6 million is roughly 80%, there is approximately 10 weeks to Easter) - obviously, as we get closer to 100% the rate slows down, but it's not impossible.

Also, why would you need to bookmark Google Maps?

Not impossible yes, but highly, actually very highly unlikely - that's not pessimism that's realism.

Google maps? This is a snip from the covid live web site.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Prediction is 75% by March 2nd as shown by my link a few days ago. Your the same person that said we’d be lucky to get to 80% let alone close to 90% second dose. We would have by Feb 5 as shown by your stats clearly. We’ll get to atleast 80% booster by Easter easily.

I said that by a certain date in context, and to be honest, and this is only my opinion, your prediction is highly optimistic.

 

[HPKS]

I said that by a certain date in context, and to be honest, and this is only my opinion, your prediction is highly optimistic.

Icbf looking for it but you wrote it a number of times when Feb 5 was announced you wrote we’d be lucky to get to 80% let alone 90%. Your saying we won’t get to 80%, we’ll be at 75% March 2nd. Easter is the 17th of April. So you don’t think we’ll get that 5% in 6 and a half weeks. Imo we’ll be closer to 90% than 80% come the 17th April. Like I say if the goal posts stay the same by 17th April and McGowan doesn’t open I’ll turn on him 100%. Bookmark it if you want.